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1:30Why wait? It's Vegas, baby. It's all happening this week.
1:34And this is the one time where what happens in Vegas most definitely does not stay in Vegas.
1:40The ripples from Vegas drafts can become a tsunami, and the very best drafts are the ones right after the weekend games
1:48where ADP is taking its final form. If you've never been at Ground Zero for all the craziness, you are definitely missing out.
1:57I went for the first time in 2013. I can't even imagine not being there now.
2:03I've met so many great people. It's a delightful mix of cutthroat and community.
2:08The trash talk, it's savage. It's hilarious. Everybody pulls out their best draft moves and surprises.
2:13It is, in every way, the final boss. But before we go there, there's only one thing left to do, and that's this show.
2:22And that's right. It's Kicker Week this week. Kicker Week, Dan.
2:26Where did that come from? Did I send the wrong show sheet?
2:30Didn't you guys get the show sheet on Kicker Week?
2:34Kicker Week. Interesting. Yeah. Now, I have to say, Theo stole our bit.
2:39He did a whole show on kickers, and I'm mad.
2:42I saw that. I saw that, and then he followed up with a defensive show.
2:48So, shout out to Theo for putting in the work there.
2:52Man, that's pure plagiarism right there, I'm telling you.
2:55How are we feeling, boys? Good, good. Oh, man.
2:58What a great week. What a great day. Great week.
3:02It's been a hell of a run for this last week as the season gears up.
3:08Today and tomorrow, the last two drafting days that we'll be drafting with the board as we know it, right?
3:15After tomorrow night, the board's going to start changing for the last four days of drafts.
3:21So, enjoy the last two days here of the same flow of drafts, and then these next two games are going to
3:29change the board drastically, and it's going to make drafting really fun and interesting Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
3:35All right. So, guys, Dan, I apologize. Can I go off script for two minutes?
3:40All right. Don't mess Dan up like this, Nelson.
3:44You can't go through that. We're already off script.
3:47All right. That's what we do here, Nelson. Listen, real quick, rapid fire.
3:52I want predictions from each of us on how we think those two games are going to go and what key players
4:00you guys are predicting will move up, which ones will move down based on their production in the game.
4:06Give me – just give me your – it can be a fun prediction.
4:12It doesn't have to – you know. We don't really know how the game's going to play out.
4:18I think that these two games are going to be stinkers.
4:22That's going to be my prediction. I would have had high hopes for a Rams-Niners game, but I just think that this
4:30travel to Australia is really going to mess things up.
4:34I expect this Seahawks-Patriots game to be an absolute snooze fest, 20-14 type.
4:38And when that happens and A.J. Brown gets locked down in this opener, I think A.J.
4:44Brown falls to the end of the second round.
4:47I think that's middle to the end of second round overreaction after one game, as my prediction.
4:54Dan? All right. I'm going to say that if it weren't for the differences and approaches on the travel to Australia, I
5:02think that the Rams would be wiping the floor with the 49ers.
5:06But given that the Rams are going out there so close to the start of the game, hey, I've flown to Australia.
5:14It's no joke. I think it is easier going out there than it is coming back, but still.
5:20I'll be interested to see how they perform. But I think the Rams' pass offense is going to look pretty good regardless.
5:28I think the 49ers are going to hang with them, though.
5:32And I'm looking at probably... I'm thinking Stafford and Devontae Adams might move up.
5:37In the other game, I don't know. I'm kind of with Chris.
5:42I see this as kind of a low-scoring game.
5:45I don't think anybody's going to really move much off of it.
5:49What do you think, Nelson? Okay. My prediction is a little more exciting than you guys.
5:55Good. So Puka is going to go off, and he's going to surpass Jamar Chase as the number one receiver off the board.
6:04And there's going to be drafts that we're going to see in Vegas that Puka goes first overall.
6:10Over Gibbs and Bijon. So that's my prediction for that game.
6:14I think pretty much like with the 49ers, I actually think McCaffrey is going to drop and live at the end of the first round.
6:23Probably like the 1-2 turn. I can't see him getting much done with that Rams defense.
6:29Everyone else, kind of status quo. Okay. The New England-Seattle game.
6:33I am with Chris. I actually think A.J. Brown and JSN both have stankers of a game, and they're going to drop.
6:41I think JSN is going to be the same thing.
6:45People are not going to want to take that low score.
6:49It's just going to be unappealing. He's going to drop to the end of the first round.
6:55That's where he's going to live. Okay. A.J. Brown, I actually think, will make it to the third round in drafts.
7:02All right? He wasn't even that bold then, Nelson.
7:06No, no, no, no. Come on. End of the second round.
7:10End of the second round. He goes in the top 15 every draft.
7:14Top 15. And Ramondre Stevenson is going to have a huge workload.
7:19He's going to score a touchdown. He's going to have a good game.
7:23And I believe that he's going to move up into the end of the third round, early fourth round.
7:30Wow. I think he's going to go ahead of Brees Hall, Javante Williams, Kyron Williams, all those guys.
7:37So RB13, basically. After the Big 12, when Derrick Henry comes off the board, there's that lull.
7:43We feel what we're seeing now in drafts is Javante Williams looks locked into that RB13, that next name off the board
7:51with the news of the Dallas backfield getting kind of cleared out here.
7:56And Javante looking more like a bell cow. Javante RB13.
7:59And you're saying Ramondre is going to compete for RB13 off the board pretty much after the opener.
8:06I think people, when they're drafting and they're seeing Ramondre's 20 plus points is my prediction.
8:12When they see that, that's going to be enticing.
8:15And he's going to go and leapfrog all those running backs that we see go like end of the third, early fourth round.
8:23Okay. So two things with that. If our predictions are correct, and Nelson, your predictions play out, the first round is going
8:31to be chaos for the last three days of drafts because it's going to move out JSN down.
8:38Puka Nakua is going to move up into that top three, which means people are going to either be getting Chase or maybe even Bijan at four overall.
8:48Now you start getting different combinations on the draft board the final three days.
8:53Maybe you land a, you know, a Puka or a Jamar Chase with an AJ Brown now at the back end of the second.
9:02This is what's fun about these last three days of drafts because the combinations start coming out of nowhere and start looking
9:10different than what we've seen day in and day out now for the last month plus.
9:15Okay. So, you know, we still see the same combinations every draft, but I'm looking forward to the board changing a little bit.
9:24I'm getting a little bored of the board, if you would.
9:28Nelson, you're drafting every day, hot and heavy. How many drafts do you have tonight?
9:33I've got eight of them. Eight drafts in one night.
9:37You're an absolute animal savage. That's unbelievable. I love it.
9:40How many of those drafts will be happening simultaneously?
9:44Yeah. There's, they're going to overlap. There's going to be like four or five of them that will overlap at some point.
9:52Break out the computer screens all over the place.
9:55Are you feeling that the board is very repetitive, Nelson?
9:58Like, you know, you're putting the same combinations together or you're switching it up like every draft?
10:05Do you feel like? I've switched it up. Because at that point, why draft volume if you're going to just draft the
10:13same players and the same team over and over?
10:16Yeah. So, I've actually flipped it and I've been taking two running backs to start drafts and making those three, the next
10:24three wide receivers that I take, making those guys have to be, you know, key players on my teams rather than the
10:32four, the heavy wide receiver start, right? Four wide.
10:35And then always taking the same group of running backs in like that fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth round.
10:42I've actually flipped it where now I'm not looking at running backs in those rounds.
10:47I'm actually looking at the receivers. I've actually noticed that, Nelson.
10:51And I'll be implementing the same in some of my drafts this week as well.
10:56I have one last question for both of you.
11:00If this plays out the way it is and JSN has a slow game, maybe even Pook has a slow game, give
11:08me the name that's going to be locked into the top five in every draft the last three days.
11:15I don't know. I mean, I think you're going to see Cook popping up there.
11:20I think you're going to see Chase popping up there.
11:24You know, if some of those guys move down, they're going to move up.
11:29Jonathan Taylor will probably be a pretty regular feature there.
11:32I don't think there's going to be a real consensus, though.
11:36I think you hit it, Dan, the first name right there.
11:40I think James Cook starts going four or five overall.
11:44These two games go a little south. Yeah. And I'll tell you, I don't care if Pooka scores 80.
11:51If you're in the one o'clock primetime on Saturday in Vegas, in my draft room, I am taking Jameer Gibbs with my number one overall selection.
12:00I don't give a crap. I got plenty of Pooka already.
12:04Yeah, I don't think anybody can infiltrate the top two.
12:08Yeah, I think, Chris, if you're saying that Pooka and JSN have bad games, then I agree with you.
12:15It's going to be Amanra is going to be locked in.
12:19James Cook is going to be locked in. But, you know, again, unless he gets like a ton of checkdowns, I think McCaffrey's in for a bad game.
12:29So I actually think he's going to drop. It could be one of those games where, you know, it's kind of ugly
12:37and everyone from the game just kind of stays the same or goes lower in ADP.
12:43But I think there's going to be a couple of guys that kind of go off and, you know, make people have to push guys up.
12:52The other thought that I actually had that I think would be exciting is kind of like Isaiah Likely from last year
13:00where he kind of came out of nowhere, had that big game and moved up to like the second, third round of drafts out of nowhere.
13:09I would love just to create chaos because I actually love drafting after those games when it's total chaos.
13:16Yep. Terrence Ferguson is my guy that I would love for him to like catch two touchdowns.
13:23And he just is like up there with like Loveland and those guys.
13:27Yeah. Yeah, I'm hoping the same, Nelson. You know, I drafted a lot of Jake Tondias in the 19th and 20 rounds
13:35all summer long, expecting Kittle not to be there week one and hoping that Jake Tondias was a five for 70 and a touchdown or two.
13:45It doesn't look like that's going to happen. It looks like Kittle's going to go.
13:50But yeah, it'd be nice to get one of those secondary players in these games, you know, Rashid Shaheed, you know, Ferguson, you know, guys like that.
14:00We'll see. You know, Nelson, me and you, I saw a bunch of our drafts, your drafts as well as I've been doing it.
14:09Demario Douglas, 20th round. You know, if A.J. Brown is getting shut down, someone's got to emerge.
14:15Is it Hunter Henry? Is it Demario Douglas with one of those sneaky six for 70 and a touchdown type games?
14:22All of a sudden, 20th round to Mario Douglas is your flex player in week one.
14:28He's going in the lineup, that's for sure. Yeah.
14:31So, I mean, a lot of possibilities here. And, you know, it's right around the corner.
14:37It's 24 hours away. Joey, talking about Price moving up to the third or fourth, if he has a good game, I
14:45think that's definitely in the realm of possibilities too.
14:48Absolutely. It will be exciting, like these next two days with the games.
14:53I think it will be fun to see if it flips the boards after those games.
14:59Because, like, Price, that could be another thing. It could go the other way.
15:04Like, New England's back, you know, front seven is very strong against the run.
15:09Like, Price could have a bad game. And we could see, like, Ohani in there more than people, you know, want to see him.
15:18And all of a sudden, he's a guy that, you know, gets moved up in drafts.
15:24Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, sorry, I wasted a bunch of time.
15:28Before he becomes a target for me. No, good topic.
15:31Yeah, it was good. I liked it. Yeah. And it kind of covered our first topic anyway.
15:37But, you know, you guys are both drafting, you know, from New York, right?
15:42Yes, sir. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'll be out in Vegas.
15:46Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No worries there. I got plenty of action going out there.
15:52I got 12 drafts between now and Saturday, which seems like nothing compared to Nelson.
15:57But, you know, most of those are live drafts and three of them are auctions.
16:03So, yeah. After two auctions in a row on Friday, I'll definitely be a little bit, I don't know, punch drunk or something.
16:11Duke checking in. Our boy Duke Vivero is checking in.
16:15Yes. He's live from Caesar Palace, Caesar's Palace. Good luck out there, Duke.
16:19Duke always kills it in the draft rooms. But, Dan, I'll be missing, besides all the outside of the draft stuff that
16:27I love and miss about Vegas, the auctions are what I'm going to miss the most.
16:33That's my top thing. The reason why I go out there every year is to get more auctions.
16:40And we did two in New York this past week at the bar.
16:44I hope, Nelson, I hope you had a good time at the bar on Friday.
16:50We went morning till night, Dan. We went 10 a.m.
16:53till midnight. And a good time was had by all, I think.
16:58So, only got two auctions in there. And, unfortunately, that's going to be it for me.
17:04Well, that's all right. At least you got two in.
17:07One of these days I got to get myself out to New York.
17:12It seems like I've always got something going on that weekend.
17:16So, last question on this realm. Where are you guys going to be watching the games on Sunday?
17:22What's your Sunday routine going to be this week?
17:26Go ahead, Nelson. Let's hear it. Yeah. So, years ago, I built a movie theater down in my house.
17:33And so, downstairs, I've got multiple TVs. I've got a screen that's about nine.
17:38It's like nine feet wide. So, it's like a big movie theater screen.
17:42TVs on the side. Recliners. I got the bar in the back.
17:47Refrigerator stocked. Order food. I'm not moving from there all day.
17:51That's a dream. That's the dream Sunday every Sunday right there.
17:55Nelson's living it. As for myself, you know where I'll be.
17:59I'll be at GST. I got my six big screens in.
18:03I'll have as many games on as possible at 1 o'clock.
18:07And I always have Red Zone on the main big TV.
18:11And taking in all the action. That's where I am every Sunday of the season.
18:16So, locked and loaded. And looking forward to it.
18:19And Marty, in the chat, yes. Nelson, it was an exchange program.
18:24We, in return for the big back booth that him, Hubbard, and the Greek held down all day and night.
18:31I got a Dunkin' Donuts care package. So, it was a solid one-for-one trade.
18:36And both sides were happy with the trade, I believe.
18:40So, Spiteri did not come through with the Beach House then?
18:44Spiteri never comes through with what he says. And as for Duke saying he's having breakfast with Spiteri tomorrow, don't expect alligator-armed
18:52Spiteri to pick up the check, Duke. Cheap bastard.
18:55He won't go in his pocket. Dan, you know what the problem was?
19:00Why Chris went with my deal? The problem with Paul is everything was future considerations and stuff like that.
19:06You know, that gets too complicated in deals. Mine was straightforward.
19:10It was an exchange right then and there, day of.
19:14It totally makes sense. That was it. We shook hands right there.
19:18Booth was his. Booth was his. The Dunkin' Donuts K-Cups were mine.
19:23And the deal was done. Perfect. Perfect. I love it.
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21:34Why wait? All right. One bit of house coping.
21:38I don't know if we said it at the top of the show.
21:42If we did, I don't remember it. But Matt will be joining us eventually.
21:47He's running behind today. He's got some other things going on.
21:51But he'll be with us. But in the meantime, let's get into the Josh Jacobs mess.
21:57We have a hearing on Thursday. Nelson, or Chris, what do you think is going to come out of all that?
22:05What do you, you know, lay out the possibilities for us?
22:09Yeah. Well, this shook up drafts on Friday, Dan.
22:12As soon as the drafts were getting ready to start, this Josh Jacobs news broke early Friday.
22:18And then all of a sudden, you know, the room was buzzing, you know?
22:23You know, all of a sudden, Josh Jacobs isn't going to be out until late November, possibly.
22:29But the court case moved up to September 11th.
22:33From what I read, read into this, Dan. And yes, it did.
22:37You did feel all day long on the draft board on Friday.
22:41And since then, that Lloyd's taken a little bit more of a dip.
22:46But Jacobs now goes to that drafter that wants to take that shot as his RB3 or 4 in round 9, 10, or 11.
22:55You know, when you don't need to rely on him early in the season as a top 2 or 3 back on your roster.
23:04And you could kind of plant him there and forget about it and hope for the best here.
23:10You know, that's the way drafters are handling it.
23:13For me, I'm still staying away from Josh Jacobs.
23:17From what I've read from, like, the lawyers in the fantasy world.
23:21Even if this hearing goes well, it still seems like he's going to catch 4 to 6 games, possibly more.
23:28And yeah, it's a nice little lotto ticket in round 11 or 12.
23:33But for me, I've been fading him all summer.
23:36I have all my Marshawn Lloyd shares. And I'm going to stick with that.
23:41I'm going to stay away from Josh Jacobs and hope that it's 6 to 8 weeks at best that he gets.
23:49And when he gets back, it's already Lloyd's job and he's off and running with it.
23:55All right. Nelson, what do you think? Yeah, I mean, I'm no lawyer.
23:59But what I'm hearing from what I gather is that they got this moved up because Jacobs and his team want this resolved sooner rather than later.
24:09So for this to get moved up, that tells me he's willing to get the court case either dismissed or some type of plea deal.
24:18And then the NFL, you know, comes down with the hammer and he probably gets, you know, 6 games minimum is what my thought is.
24:27And I think for fantasy purposes, I think Lloyd, that dings Lloyd, because I actually thought that Lloyd, if we're talking Jacobs
24:35out for the year, I thought Lloyd belonged in the fifth round with some of those other running backs.
24:42With this now hanging in the balance, I actually think Lloyd does move back a couple of rounds.
24:49But it does bring Jacobs into the equation of, OK, where are you willing to burn a pick?
24:55And what I mean by that is if this does not go as planned and Jacobs stays on the exempt list all year long, you've burnt a pick.
25:05You've wasted a pick. Where is that spot? And I've asked myself that question.
25:10And I think it's right there in the ninth, tenth round that I'm willing to say, all right, if he gets six
25:18games and he comes back, I'm willing to hold him a ninth or tenth round pick, hold him for six weeks.
25:26And it could be like a decent lottery ticket.
25:29So that's where I'm at with it. Nelson, Josh Jacobs or Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt on the board?
25:35Jacobs. Jacobs. Josh Jacobs or Mike Washington? Washington. Rashad White?
25:39Jacobs. OK, so you're like right there in that range when the like after J.K.
25:44Dobbins and Jordan Masons of the world start coming off the board and they're done and you start getting into like the
25:52handcuffs, the secondary guys, the RB3s slash fours. That's where you're willing to pull the plug on on Josh Jacobs.
26:00Yeah. Yeah. I think what you guys are saying definitely makes sense.
26:04You know, obviously nothing's going to happen for week one other than Josh Jacobs still sitting on the bench because the NFL
26:12is not going to move that quickly. Even if things go perfectly for Jacobs.
26:17I think if that video is still hanging out there and if that video gets out in the wild, that could be
26:25the exempt list for the year for Jacobs. So I think all the scenarios are still in play here.
26:32So for me, this just kind of it lowers what I'm willing to pay for Lloyd and raises a little bit what I'm willing to pay for Jacobs.
26:42But I think it's still very much on the table that it could be Lloyd all year and no Jacobs.
26:49Yeah. The Greek chimes in Josh Jacobs or Tank Bigsby.
26:53I'll take Bigsby. He's one hit away from taking over Philly backfield behind a good offensive line.
26:59So I'll do that. James Cook or Saquon. I'd rather have Cook over Barclay for the other one in the chat.
27:07That seems fair. Nelson, I'll say this. Bucky Irving, Marshawn Lloyd.
27:11If you want to play it the other way now, since Lloyd's fell a little bit in that range.
27:18I'd take Bucky. Bucky still? Okay. I think I might go Lloyd there.
27:22I don't know. It's close. And do we buy into a lot of this little chatter about, oh my God, Caleb Johnson
27:30might actually play a decent role in this offense now?
27:34Or do we expect Lloyd to be the full-blown bell cow here for the first at least two months of the season?
27:42I think, Dan, do you want to start? Yeah.
27:45I mean, to me, the Caleb Johnson is just sort of the injury possibility for Lloyd.
27:51If Lloyd gets hurt, the guy has not been staying healthy, obviously.
27:55He's done well this entire preseason. He says he's kind of changed things up.
28:00Gone to see the sports medicine guys and gotten his stride fixed, all that kind of stuff.
28:07So maybe it's a big nothing burger. But I think Caleb Johnson, if Lloyd goes down, he's probably going to be the next up rather than Chris Brooks.
28:17I think they want Chris Brooks in the role that he's in.
28:21So Caleb is just a handcuff to me at this point.
28:25Yeah, so my thinking is that they wanted to bring in depth behind Lloyd.
28:30And they want to get Caleb Johnson a fresh start.
28:34The kid was talented coming out of college, and it just hasn't worked out for him.
28:40Chris Brooks, I think they trust him in pass protection.
28:43So I think he's going to be the third down back to start the year.
28:49But Lloyd is going to get his opportunity to be the bell cow.
28:53Now, if he takes it and runs with it or if he fumbles it, that's going to be up to him.
29:01It's got to play out. But I don't think the coaches have predetermined and said, oh, this is what we're doing with Floyd.
29:09This is what we're doing with Caleb. I think they look at it as we're going to let Lloyd be the guy.
29:17But if things are not going well, he's not doing well in pass protection.
29:22I think we're going to see Brooks more involved.
29:26And then Caleb will come into the picture if Lloyd looks terrible.
29:30But I don't see Caleb anything more than a handcuff at this point.
29:35I'm excited to see Lloyd in the passing game in this Packers offense.
29:39That's what I really think he could contribute every week in the passing game.
29:44Jordan Love dropping, you know, getting him up the field.
29:48You see a lot of clips of him, you know, all summer long of him catching the ball.
29:55That preseason game when he caught the ball over the middle and walked in for a touchdown.
30:01Wheel routes out of the backfield. I mean, this is a running back that could contribute four for 50 out of the backfield on a weekly basis.
30:11So that's what I'm excited about. Chip in what you can behind a bad offensive line in the rushing game.
30:18But, you know, we have a nice PPR back in Lloyd here in an offense I love.
30:24Yeah, 100%. Okay. Well, let's talk a little bit about it.
30:28We've kind of moved into it a little bit already.
30:32Draft board risers and fallers. But to, you know, give us a player that's moving up or down draft boards and are you buying at the new price?
30:42My contribution to this is a Nelson creation. It's from Andre Stevenson.
30:46This was, you know, even before Nelson's theorizing he could go in the third round.
30:51But I think Nelson was early on this and he really kind of moved the draft boards a lot by what he was doing.
31:00And people were taking notice because, you know, they know that Nelson knows his stuff.
31:06They know that he knows the Patriots better than anything.
31:09And I think Nelson was reading the tea leaves right there.
31:13So, Andre moving up into the fifth round, I have no problem with that price at all.
31:19Now, I want to jump in real quick because, Nelson, you really did.
31:24You set the tone on the Ramondre ADP move with your legacy league, you know, pick at the 48-49 turn.
31:31So, absolutely, you know, people saw that and they started moving him up.
31:36My question is, because I can't remember, did the Trevion Henderson injury happen already when you moved him up?
31:43Because this has been an unbelievable, this has been a perfect fallout for you guys, you know, with Ramondre in the last
31:51week and a half since that draft. You know, Ramondre was like going late 60s and early 70s when you made that pick.
31:59Now, Ramondre is in the 50s, you know. So, I'm trying to remember the Trevion Henderson injury news.
32:06It doesn't even look like he's going to play tomorrow night.
32:10And that just adds to the Ramondre pick looking real good right now.
32:14Yeah, what happened there was when we did the 100K draft, Henderson had already gotten injured.
32:20I'm pretty sure. But the reports were that it was nothing.
32:24Yeah. So, I felt that it was more significant than nothing.
32:28So, that's where I moved up, you know, Stevenson.
32:32Yeah. It looks good right now, you know. Let me ask you guys this.
32:37Let's take the other side of this coin. Where are you taking Trevion in drafts coming up this week?
32:43Let's assume he's not going to play on Wednesday.
32:47And that fact is going to be known, obviously, by, you know, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
32:52Nelson, where are you going to be taking Trevion at?
32:56The problem is he hasn't moved far enough down draft boards for me to consider him.
33:02So, like... Where does he have to fall to?
33:05He's got to fall to eighth round. Okay. Yeah.
33:08I was just going to say, like, I've been out on Trevion Henderson.
33:13I don't have a share, you know, all summer long.
33:16But now he's in my, you know, now he's on my radar.
33:21But he still needs to fall a little more.
33:24So, where are you going to finally take the bait?
33:28I'll say exactly what Nelson just said. I would have said ninth round.
33:32You know, looking at that pick 90 to 110 overall range.
33:36If I have a two running back build and a heavy wide receiver team and maybe that, you know, that section of
33:44Mason and Dobbins and Pollard are off the board or, you know, I'll take the swing with Trevion as my three now.
33:52Everyone has him as their two in most drafts in the last month, month and a half.
33:59I'll take him as my three or even my four if I can pull off that type of build.
34:05All right. Makes sense. And a question also from Duke on Ibuka.
34:10He's looking like a goat. Does he go back into the mid-late second round again?
34:15For me, no. But I'm curious what you guys have to say.
34:20That's a Nelson question right there. The king of the Ibuka shares.
34:24So let's. It's it's it's an it's an amazing 180 that I did because I I went from Ibuka as being my
34:32favorite target in that range where I was willing to push him up to the second round to when that injury happened.
34:40And he became a full fade for me. So I have gone like since that injury, I've gone hundreds of drafts and I have not taken them once.
34:50Right. I wanted to wait for him to be back to practice.
34:54And obviously, I my assumption was correct because I really had no inside information or anything on his injury, how serious it was.
35:03But it was serious enough for him to miss a lot of time.
35:07And, you know, to me, it was if he was back in a week after that toe injury.
35:14OK, we're good to go. But it's been three plus weeks, I want to say.
35:19So it was it was significant enough. People got some good deals, though, Nelson.
35:24You know, if this guy's back and he regardless, he's back, you know, he's practicing.
35:30Some doctors have seen him moving around and said he's playing with a steel, you know, that steel thing on his toe.
35:38It looks like or he's favoring one side to the other a little bit.
35:43Guy's not 100 percent. He's obviously has an issue here.
35:47He's missed three weeks of practice or whatever it is.
35:50But he's back at practice. It looks like he's going to play.
35:55And and a lot of people have late round for a book of shares now mid late mid round four shares of a book of with this dip.
36:05And those shares could potentially look really good come opening week here, as opposed to, you know, all of us drafting him
36:13at the end of the second round, early third round.
36:16You know, people have a book as their wide receiver for on heavy wide receiver builds.
36:22So that's a big swing right there for him to come back.
36:26Yeah. So my you know, I can't make guarantees, but I'm going to tell you my prediction for this final week is
36:34you probably will see me draft him, but it won't be in the second round.
36:40Mm hmm. Now, that's interesting. Let's get into talking about the board a little bit, because now that we're talking about a
36:48book, what I'm seeing, you know, these last week, that end of the second round is starting to dry up a little bit.
36:56OK, and it's tough. Hey, Matty Mo in the house.
37:00Good morning. Matty Mo, the only guy that wakes up at four thirty in the morning and starts texting the group chat at five a.m.
37:09But yet he's late for a show at ten thirty.
37:12We did move it up today. You got to give me a little.
37:17Let's get right back. Matty said, no, I'm going at the normal time anyway.
37:22But Nelson, with a book, are you feeling the same way when you're in the top three spots on the first round now?
37:31OK, we've just come off of a full week of the neighbors drafters feeling hesitant.
37:36Now I pulled the plug. I pulled the trigger on neighbors at, I think, twenty two overall in a draft in New York.
37:44I think you did as well in that range.
37:48But it just feels like the Drake London news.
37:51Everyone's running scared from Drake London, right? You and Theo got him at twenty four overall.
37:57It seems like twenty two to twenty four is where London's going now because people are scared with Tua being the quarterback.
38:05The neighbor's injury. Is a book are going to move into that territory the next three or four days is basically what
38:13I'm asking, because of the players that are starting to get cold in that range.
38:18I don't know. I don't I don't think so.
38:21I think a book is going to live in the third round.
38:26I think it's going to be again. It's going to be those wide receivers like Devante Smith, Zay Flowers, George Pickens, who's already there, basically.
38:35That's the hot name, Nelson. Can we just I think George Pickens is that name where drafters are starting to feel a
38:43lot more comfortable taking him in that end of the second round in that twenty to twenty four range.
38:50You know, it seemed like he was the guy that everybody was like, all right, everyone else is off the board.
38:57Neighbors, Alave, London, whatever. I'll take Pickens. Now it just seems like, you know what?
39:03Why fade Pickens? I don't want to say fade Pickens, but there's no warts on Pickens right now.
39:09You know, he's healthy. He's in a big time offense.
39:13All these other guys come with some issues right now with London and neighbors.
39:18Pickens is that name right now that I see people.
39:21He's not getting out of the second round anymore.
39:25Yeah. Not for me. I mean, I honestly think there's a really good chance Pickens could overtake Lamb.
39:31I'm not saying it will happen, but it's not out of the realm of possibility where it's like only a ten percent chance.
39:40I mean, he's two years younger. He broke out last year.
39:44He broke out two years ago in Pittsburgh in an Arthur Smith offense.
39:48So, you know, that's my take on that. I just think he's a safe play now at that end of the second round.
39:57But why wasn't he before? It did take me a little while.
40:01I don't have the answer to that, Matt. I don't have the answer to that.
40:06It took me until about the end of July because I was going back and forth Lamb, Pickens.
40:13And about that end of July, I'm like, you know what?
40:17I'm just going to try and get as much Pickens as I can the rest of draft season.
40:23All right. So I'm going to throw this to each of you.
40:28Start with Dan and straight down. You're on the clock end of the second round and there's Pickens and Drake London right now.
40:36Who are you taking? Yeah, I'm probably still going London there.
40:40Okay, Matt. I think I'm going Pickens here. I mean, I really like London.
40:45That's Nelson. I really like Pickens. I'm going to go London because I don't think Tua is going to go the whole
40:53year as the quarterback because that's what everyone's scared of.
40:57I believe that London wants Pennix to be the starting quarterback and not Tua.
41:02Tua is a check down machine. It's great for Bijan, great for Kyle Pitts.
41:07Not good for London. So that's why I do some.
41:11Do we have three or four games? This is football.
41:14It's not baseball. You know, do we have – we only get 14 of these.
41:20Do we have three or four weeks to suffer with your second round pick?
41:25Three maybe. Three. Yeah. My question is, how much longer is Pennix going to need to be healthy?
41:31That's the only reason why he's not the quarterback.
41:35Three. It's three. I'm telling you. It's three. That's it.
41:38I didn't know you were about to. I didn't know.
41:42Dan sold the time to. Dan sold the holiday in list.
41:46Nostradan ass. I'm stealing that. I think that's a good guess on Dan's part.
41:51I think it's going to be like three or four games that – and suffer.
41:56I mean, I don't think Drake London is going to be unstartable like suffering.
42:01I just think that his, like, spike weeks are going to come later.
42:06Can I say – my thing was, I was like, you know what?
42:11Tua's done it before Miami. But, I mean, it's just been – he's looked like Watson in preseason.
42:17That's how bad it's been. I mean, even me, that was kind of like, yeah, I'm not worried and I have my longer jazz.
42:26But I'm a little worried right now, to be honest with you.
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44:10Why wait? All right. So I know we got off track a little bit, but the original question, right, Dan, was risers
44:18and fallers that we're seeing on the board. I'll throw out one at the running back position, a riser and a faller.
44:26In the last week, a lot of people are getting real comfortable clicking on Rico Dowdle now, moving him up a solid round.
44:34They're starting to believe the drumbeat of Rico being the main guy in the backfield.
44:39And we've seen a whole summer of Jalen Warren going two, three rounds before Rico Dowdle.
44:45But a lot of sharp drafters in New York were drafting Rico Dowdle.
44:50And I took notice of that. That's one guy that's on the rise on draft boards.
44:56And the faller is Jonathan Brooks. You know, this is Jonathan Brooks was that hot name a month ago, you know, for people in the fifth round.
45:05And now you're seeing him fall a solid round, round and a half, even two rounds sometimes in these drafts.
45:13I mean, I'll jump in here. I mean, Brooks to me, it's, I know I missed the Trevion.
45:19I know the Greek said that the slander on Hendo is wild, which I did catch some of it.
45:26We did it while you were away, Matt. So we didn't.
45:30But for me, I'm going to take the discounts.
45:33I think I have like 12 Henderson, I think 23 Brooks and 32 Corum.
45:38These are three guys in that range. And to me, if you watch the live streams or with Nelson, I was on with Paul.
45:47And look, it's always about you can get your one running back.
45:51These are your RB twos in some teams, but you can still draft backwards.
45:57Like we talked all summer. Like I'm putting Mason in.
46:00I feel pretty good about that. If I have a team with Dobbins or Dobbins and a Coleman, like I believe we
46:08have on one of our OCs, I feel really good.
46:12These are home run guys. That's what I called them.
46:15These are your home run swings that I think at some point this year, look, Trevion got hurt.
46:22Brooks has been on the side, but these guys are super talented.
46:26We saw what Trevion could do. We know the talent that Brooks has from that year in college.
46:33He basically put up Bijon numbers. I'm not saying he's Bijon.
46:37He hasn't been able to stay healthy, obviously. But again, I think you can still take these guys.
46:43If Rico Dattel or Kenny Gainwell, I think Kenny Gainwell is going to be pretty good this year.
46:50I think Buffett could be. So I think you can still, I'm not like, oh my God, Trevion's done.
46:57I still think Trevion's going to outperform Stevenson this year.
47:00I think he's a much better talent. I think Stevenson is pretty mad his whole career.
47:06Outside of what, 2022? And everybody that knocked Trevion last year, oh, he did it against this team, that team.
47:13He did it against the Bucs too. I think he had one of the best run defenses.
47:20But again, Stevenson had four games last year. Tennessee, Miami twice, and the Jets that he went off.
47:26But everybody seems to forget about that. Nelson, what do you see in risers and falls on the board?
47:33Yeah, I think one of the guys that I've noticed is Alec Pierce.
47:38And that's obviously with the injury news, finally healthy, practicing.
47:41Looks like he's a go for week one. I've seen him move up, obviously.
47:46And I think he's going to continue to move up.
47:50Because outside of Warren, I actually, I'm not a big fan of downs.
47:55And I think Keenan Allen, you know, he can only do this, you know, whole thing where he comes in and takes
48:03away targets, you know, from these guys. I don't think he does it again like he did last year with the Chargers.
48:11So I think Alec Pierce is going to be a guy that's going to keep trending up this week.
48:18Can we stay on Pierce for a second? As a guy that's big on downs and Warren, I have a bunch.
48:25I actually don't really have, I have one share of Pierce, I think I'm like 9-10.
48:31I want Pierce to play week one. Pierce helps out Warren, helps out downs, stretches that field.
48:37That to me is where he's vital for this team and for Dimes and everything to stretch it.
48:44I'm going to be shocked if Pierce gets off to a decent start in September.
48:49I'm sorry. I just want him on the field.
48:52I'll bet against that all day long. Sacrificial X.
48:56That's it. Yeah, that's what I'm hoping. Two for 38 each week, you know, one of those type deals.
49:03But Chris, I agree. He puts up big numbers right away in the first two, three weeks.
49:09I'm going to really be shocked. But Chris, wouldn't you agree that just him being on the field helps those other guys?
49:17For sure. Run a straight line down the field.
49:20Yep. Like Dan said, sacrificial X, hopefully. Matt's looking to, you know, just fluff those down shares a little bit more.
49:28That's another one. I'll tell you what, you know, speaking of Downs, he's another one that, you know, he dropped like a full round.
49:36You know, I remember in New York in a prime time, Nelson, I think we were in the draft.
49:43I got Josh Downs as my wide receiver. And when I was on the clock a full round earlier, I was going to take him then.
49:53And I and I passed for someone else. And I came full back around and he was still sitting there.
50:00And I said, man, just the whole room is a little cold on Josh Downs.
50:05Whereas two, three weeks ago, Josh Downs was a hot name on the board.
50:10And, you know, I said it on this show in the past couple of weeks.
50:16I'll take him as my wide receiver for every day of the week.
50:20But in that particular draft, I didn't need to.
50:24He became my five. So he's another colder name.
50:27And I don't know if it's because of the Pierce news coming back or, you know, Downs still a little banged up.
50:35But, you know, I'm still in on him. I got him at, I think, 9-7 in yesterday afternoon's OC.
50:42I mean, there is blood in the streets out of those OCs.
50:46If you can jump into like an afternoon one right now, I recommend it to all our listeners.
50:53Yeah, I got one going this afternoon. So I'm looking forward to that.
50:57Yeah, there you go. The Greek wants to know how's my Browns offense looking.
51:02Top five offense, I think, Steve. It's got potential this year.
51:06I think it's two weeks. Fade at your own peril.
51:10Watson plays the two games on the road. Week three, they come home and he's gone.
51:16That's the way I'm looking at it. I don't, I'm not saying Chidorah's good, but Chidorah's got that Jameis in him where
51:24he's just going to chuck, chuck, and chuck. So.
51:27Tell the Greek, Matt. I've been preaching it for weeks here.
51:31But I do think it's only two weeks because they have those two road games.
51:37I don't think he's starting in Cleveland week three.
51:40Terry McLaurin, another one, Dan. You know, guys, Nelson, you tell me.
51:44It just seems like he's the last guy that everybody wants at wide receiver in that fourth round.
51:51Sometimes fifth round. He makes it around to the turn sometimes.
51:55This could be a mistake for all of us.
51:58I'm just going to say that now. The Terry hates gone a little too far.
52:03A full round dip from where he was going a month and a half ago.
52:09I guess. Yeah. You know, I understand Stefan Diggs came into town and stuff.
52:14But Terry McLaurin is just a veteran wide receiver.
52:17And this Washington's defense sucks. They're going to find weeks when they're in 31, 21 games.
52:23Terry's going to get peppered. And, you know, some people clipped him as their wide receiver four in the fifth round.
52:31And I'm jealous of that. But it's funny, Chris, that you mentioned that because I've actually taken note of that, that in
52:39a lot of drafts, McLaren's been falling. And he's a guy that I've actually kind of made note of that I'm probably
52:47going to start drafting him here this final week when he drops.
52:51Because it's a couple of reasons why he's falling.
52:54You got the Diggs signing, taking away targets from him.
52:58That's how people feel. You got Tunsell, the left tackle, out.
53:02That hurts the offense if Jaden Daniels is going to be running for his life.
53:07But the scenario is if this commander's defense is not very good and they get into shootouts, then McLaren's going to get,
53:15you know, quite a bit of targets. And I think in the fifth round, I think that's a good spot to be
53:23able to take him in that offense. I think all the Redskins, I mean, you're just getting even like a Rashawn White's
53:31going like in the 11th round now. And even if you don't like Rashawn, I think he's vital to this team right now with the line being wrecked.
53:41He can block. He's a really good pass blocker.
53:45And Terry McLaren, I totally agree. He went from the 3-4 to the 5-4.
53:50The last six primes, his ADP is 5-2. And, you know, I think that's a good deal.
53:56Yeah, I think I'll be with Nelson there this week.
53:59Might be Terry time for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
54:03He's become a nice value. Listen, I mean, another shit offensive line.
54:07When you put the combinations together, shit offensive line, below average defense, you know, they're going to get in games playing from behind.
54:15He's the top target. I mean, I don't know why we're fading this guy as a fantasy community right now.
54:23Like you said, they're going to have to put up points.
54:27Defense is not good. Yeah. All right. Let's kind of move into any other observations on the draft board.
54:33Matt, you got shut out for the first half hour or so.
54:38Once we took you out of your time out.
54:41Yeah, I was back there. I was wondering if you were going to let me in there.
54:47I was like in jail. Oh, he froze you out, Matt.
54:51He froze you out. Yeah, what was the thing you know?
54:55Matt's been back there for 40 minutes. You picture Matt in the background on it.
55:01This guy won't let me in. Well, we were talking about Trevion Henderson at the time.
55:06We didn't want that interrupted. All right, Matt. What do you got on the draft board?
55:12Is your strategy evolving anywhere? You do anything different from specific spots?
55:17Whatever. I mean, I got to be honest. I pretty much picked like top six in probably at least 60% or more of my drafts.
55:26It's really where I've lived. Yeah. I mean, obviously, these guys you guys mentioned that are falling, I will take a discount
55:34on them if I was in on them before.
55:37And I don't see where, you know, they're out for the year.
55:41They're out for a month. So I'm still in on them.
55:45The Rico Dowdle and the Pittsburgh backfield, put it that way.
55:49I mean, I love Jalen Warren, but I only have a couple of shares.
55:54But I think if Warren falls, I'm going to probably be more in on him because he's still going to catch passes.
56:02Aaron Rodgers has got to get rid of the ball.
56:06And he's a much, much better pass blocker than Rico Dowdle.
56:10I know the coach loves Dowdle, has a relationship with Dowdle.
56:14But Jalen Warren can block and he can catch passes.
56:17Kind of like, he's like the rich man's Rashad White in Pittsburgh.
56:22I think both of those guys are going to be needed.
56:26Another guy that nobody wants on the draft board, Rashad White.
56:30It's crazy. Remember the time in July when Rashad White was Kenny Gainwell in July.
56:35Oh, yeah. Beautiful comp. Rashad White was Kenny Gainwell in July.
56:39Now we all want Kenny Gainwell. Who's taking him at 85 overall in the 80s?
56:45Rashad White goes 115, 120. They're both the pass catching backs on their team, the number two.
56:51Nobody wants White anymore. Everybody wants Gainwell. I like White at his new price.
56:56I think it's great. If you're drafting this week, you get him in the 10th or the 11th round.
57:03Yeah. That offensive line, I think, just helps White.
57:06Like I said, the last six primes, I did the last two days, whatever, like yesterday.
57:12It's 10-6. Yeah. It's pretty good to me. Sinking like a stone.
57:16Anybody else have any more? I'm just going to throw one more out here to you guys.
57:22Devontae Adams is coming back into drafters' hearts. You know, nobody really wanted Devontae Adams all summer long.
57:29He was that old-ass receiver that nobody wanted with Mike Evans.
57:33And then that, you know, that blurb happened about two, three weeks ago that Devontae Adams was lighting up practices.
57:40He was uncoverable. Yada, yada. A little kook of bad news.
57:44Maybe Devontae is the wide receiver one for some weeks if kook gets suspended.
57:49Multiple things factored in. But Devontae Adams, he's a little bit of a hot name moving up a half around, it seems like, in drafts.
57:58Yeah. He's a guy that it comes – Chris, what happens is it comes down to me taking the same receiver over and over again in drafts.
58:08And I've had to, you know, even if I think I'm right, okay, on the player and the player works out, it's the injury factor, right?
58:17If he gets injured and you've got him on half your teams, that's bad for business in the fourth round.
58:25Sure. So I've actually opened my mind to taking Adams in some spots for that reason.
58:31So he's an older receiver. I don't gravitate towards those guys.
58:34I usually just fade those type of players. But, you know, I also think that, like, Adams seems like he takes good care of himself.
58:44He's in a very good offense. I could see it where he's very useful, especially to start the year.
58:50And he kind of gets your teams, you know, out of the gate and going.
58:56Even if he breaks down later in the season, whatever, we'll have to worry about that at a later time.
59:03Yeah. Good point. I mean, for me, though, the problem with Adams is he's creeping up.
59:09And, like, Watson and Adams, I'm going to take Watson.
59:13I'm probably going to take McLaurin. I mean, I just – I like the other guy.
59:18I get what you're saying. Last year he was just so good.
59:23But, I mean, he's got – how many one-two-yard touchdowns did he have?
59:27Is that even possible to even replicate? I hear you, Matt.
59:31But I also look at that offense. And unless Terrence Ferguson is the dream that you hope he is, and we all
59:39hope he is, these targets got to go somewhere.
59:43Stafford's not throwing the ball 14 times a game.
59:46Hookah can't catch 17 balls a game. Like, you know, Adams – what's his floor every week?
59:52Like, you know – No, I mean, I do hear you on that.
59:57I just think they really wanted to trade him.
60:00They gave him the respect that went to him.
60:03So – and he did kind of decline. He'll slow down, you know, in the back half.
60:09But, again, like I said, where he's going, you can make the arguments.
60:14I just – All right. There's some names, risers and fallers right there.
60:19That's what I'm seeing on the board. I took a wide receiver 35, Mike Evans, the other night.
60:25So, it's – I don't really want to take a lot of Evans.
60:30But, you know, if you're going to give them to me at wide receiver 35.
60:36I got a question for you guys. I want to see if I'm crazy.
60:41But end of season, who has better numbers? Stribbling or Casey Concepcion?
60:45Concepcion. I'm with you on that. I seem like people think I'm crazy to think that.
60:51Yeah. Does anybody else? We don't want to say.
60:54Can I add – my prediction is all based on – I think Stribbling's going too early in drafts for the current situation.
61:02But if Evans – you know, he's had a few setbacks, right, this preseason and stuff.
61:08And he's an older receiver. He's 33 years old.
61:11He's had a history of hamstring issues and other things.
61:15If he goes down, Stribbling, I think, hands down over Casey.
61:19Okay. So I have a question then because I'm not a Stribbling drafter.
61:24I'll put that out there now even with a week of drafts left.
61:28Nelson, are you drafting Stribbling for what he is right now or the hope of what he could be if Evans goes down?
61:37Because I think that's what people are doing when they take Stribbling where they're taking him on the board is that like Evans is going to go down.
61:47It's kind of like – Stribbling is the receiver version of Blake Corum.
61:52So, you know, if Kyron is going to fall apart or Kyron is going to get hurt and I'm going to have the league winner on my hands.
62:02If I draft Stribbling in the sixth or seventh, Evans isn't going to make it and I have my wide receiver one, you know?
62:11All right. Matty, please don't interrupt me. But Stribbling is the Trevion Henderson of drafts.
62:16How dare you? I got you. I put him on mute.
62:20No, no, no. I'm being serious. I look at Trevion as he's the ultimate home run pick if Stevenson goes away.
62:28He becomes a monster. And that's what I think of Stribbling.
62:32I think right now he's being overdrafted. I'm not drafting Stribbling personally.
62:36I much rather have a guy like Matthew Golden than Stribbling at this point.
62:41But if – that's why I'm saying I'm throwing in that part that if Evans goes down, then I think Stribbling becomes that home run.
62:50But I think he's overdrafted currently. I think that was excellent analysis.
62:54Well, thank you, Matt. That's what I'll say. Thank you, Matt.
62:58I appreciate it. Well, that was anti-climatic. Dan, don't ever, ever mute my mic again.
63:04All right, Dan. What do we got? He's going to come pay me a visit.
63:09My knees are already bad, Matt. Don't do it.
63:13Yeah, draft board observations. Matt kind of got into it a little bit.
63:17But anything else you want to say on that, Matt, or move on to Nelson?
63:23What do you got? No, I think I'm good here.
63:26I think I'm good. It's been crazy morning. So that was the question I really wanted you guys answered.
63:33Okay. Nelson, anything you've been seeing on the draft boards?
63:37Been changing up what you're doing? The one thing is I think when we were trying to predict what's going to happen
63:45with quarterbacks, I actually think that they're getting pushed back in a majority of drafts.
63:50There's the one outlier draft every so often. Like for every five drafts that I do, there's one where the quarterbacks get pushed up.
63:59But for the most part, they're living. Like I've seen Joe Burrow, Drake May in the eighth round.
64:05I've seen, you know, like the next tier, Herbert, Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Dak Prescott, Goff.
64:11Like all those guys just like living in the 10th, 11th round of drafts.
64:16So I think that's an interesting observation as far as how to proceed and how to draft.
64:22I have very little Josh Allen and I hate it.
64:26Okay. Personally, because for the volume that I'm doing, I should have my fair share of Josh Allen, but I can't get
64:34myself to take Josh Allen in the fourth round when there's legit wide receivers available that really compliment my team well.
64:41There's a legit RB1 that I can take like, you know, Javante Williams, Brees Hall, ETN, Swift, that really help out like
64:49if you start wide receiver heavy and then you want one of those running backs.
64:55I can't make myself take Josh Allen because I keep thinking, why am I taking Josh Allen in the fourth round when
65:03in the 10th, 11th round, I can double tap two quarterbacks that I can almost be guaranteed.
65:09Like one of them's not busting. Like I'm getting a legit top 12 QB.
65:14So that's, that's, it's actually frustrating me because I want to have some shares of Josh Allen just in case he's a total difference maker.
65:23But the board just hasn't, hasn't switched where QBs have moved up or anything.
65:28Yeah. Matt, I was just going to say a hundred percent what Nelson just said.
65:34It's the dilemma that we all face as drafters in that fourth round when he's on the board.
65:40And we'll get into that later when we talk about the New York super.
65:45It was something that a lot of us faced, but again, Matt, what we do.
65:51Yeah, just real quick. I mean, I agree with everything you guys said and I'm kind of scared about it too.
65:58But I mean, the one thing he does, everybody keeps saying, and it is crazy, the difference in picks, but he's six
66:06straight seasons of 39 touchdowns or more. It's like buying a blue chip stock.
66:11It's, you know, it's like, it's, it really is something.
66:15And he's hopefully will continue and plays every game basically.
66:18So, you know. Hopefully not actually, because we don't have any shares.
66:23I'm a Bill's fan. Come on. I know, I know.
66:26But guess what? I like my money more than my fandom.
66:30I would sacrifice my fandom in a heartbeat. Okay.
66:34I want both. The Empire has a Josh Allen chair, the first, that first OC we took.
66:40So there you go. There's your exposure, Nelson. Be happy with it.
66:44Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I've noticed the same thing on the quarterbacks.
66:49But what I've also noticed is if you're on the ends, it's better to be on the front of that quarterback run
66:57when it comes rather than behind it. If you wait for somebody else to kind of, you know, be the first one
67:04when you all of a sudden you hit the 10th, 11th round, you know, and the quarterbacks start flying.
67:11If you get shut out on the ends, it can get a little bit rough.
67:17So if I'm on the ends and the run hasn't started, you know, by that time, I'm going to start it.
67:24Dan, and that's another reason why the middle right now of draft boards is like everyone's comfort zone.
67:31Right. Because you could play it out. You know, you get into that range, like Nelson said, after like Drake May and
67:39Burrow and Lamar come off the board, you still have that five or six quarterback pocket.
67:45And even if you want to go further than that with Goff and Jalen Hurts, you know, you're talking seven, eight quarterbacks.
67:53You could play it out where you look to the right of you.
67:57If you're in the middle of the board and you're like, I got two guys already have a quarterback.
68:04I could pass it again this round because I'm getting somebody if a run starts.
68:10But when you're at the end and you're in the 11 or 12 hole or one or two hole and you don't
68:18have a quarterback and you look to the right or left of you, all of a sudden you're saying to yourself, shit,
68:26maybe I got to take my quarterback now because if the run starts here and they take six guys by the time
68:34the long comeback around, I'm going to wind up with Bo Nix as my starting quarterback.
68:39You might love Bo Nix. It's not a knock on Bo Nix.
68:44But I'm just saying you don't want to miss out on that second.
68:49It could be more than six quarterbacks even, you know.
68:52But the advantage also being on that end, if you start the run, is that you've started the run, you know.
69:00So you're going to push the more good players back to you at other positions, which is why I'm kind of the
69:08mindset, you know, when I feel like it's time for that run to start, if it hasn't yet and I'm on the
69:16end, I'm going to be the one to kick it off.
69:20I might be in the minority with quarterbacks. The guy that I have FOMO on, I mean, I have a few shares, is Jaden Daniels.
69:29I mean, he's like the 10th quarterback going off the board and he can easily be top five, top three.
69:36So, I mean, and you can either, you can double tap him or take a him and a Baker, a him and a Bo Nix.
69:45It's not like, you know, you got to go raw dog with him.
69:50Call this quarterback name on the board, Matt. And I think that's people are going to look back and be like, what the hell are we doing?
70:00Definitely the guy that can burn people. Yep, definitely the guy that can win people leagues this year because you wait and
70:08build a monster team and a good roster and then you stick Jaden Daniels on there, you know, 11th round Jaden Daniels,
70:1610th round, whatever, and he has that top three or four quarterback season.
70:20You're right. That's the guy who could come home big time.
70:24And there's no risk there either because you can just take that Jaden Daniels share and pair him up with a Goff or somebody similarly cheap.
70:34And, you know, it's like, you know, you're not even really taking a chance with Daniels.
70:39You know, it's like pure upside. Yep, yep. The other thing I've noticed is the running back thirst is getting worse.
70:47I think the boomers are starting to pile into these drafts now.
70:51And, yeah, I know I look old, but I'm four months removed from being a boomer, okay?
70:58So I'm still probably Gen X. But, you know, it's kind of a meme.
71:03But, you know, when you get into the last week of draft season, those running backs just start moving up and it seems like it's happening again.
71:12You know, I've been in a couple drafts where I'm like, ah, I'm going to push running back, you know, back another round.
71:21I'm going to try to get this guy or that guy.
71:25And, you know, it's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
71:29Running backs are just going. And all of a sudden it's like, oh, now I really don't like my options as well.
71:37I mean, I'm not seeing it on this board for the primes, the last six.
71:42But in the last couple of OCs I've done, Jordan Mason has gone at like the end of the sixth round.
71:50Yeah. So, I mean, he was end of the sixth, maybe like earliest seven.
71:55That's the last couple I've done. But after new ones, like I said, there's been blood in there.
72:02You can build some monsters. But he's a guy I definitely noticed because I'm always looking to draft him as moved up,
72:10at least in the last couple I've done. That's a big rise if he's top 72 now.
72:16I mean, I think it's kind of wanted. Just with that schedule, if you believe in that run scheme that they're doing, I mean.
72:25Dan, what do you got? Yeah, that's basically it for me.
72:29Show's over? Show's over. That's good. Pack it up.
72:32Just a little over an hour. Chris, you got to go to your meeting?
72:37I'm good. I'm good. I pushed it back a half hour so we can get in the board or whatever is next, Dan.
72:45All right. Well, I think next up we're just going to do a little break here and we'll be right back.
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74:27Just kidding. Go ahead. Sorry. All right. So let's just have a quick discussion on the waiver wire.
74:33Since it is a little bit earlier this week, we've got, for those of you who had your head stuck in a
74:41hole or something, tonight for NFFC, 10 o'clock, Eastern waivers are due.
74:46And for FFPC, tomorrow morning, 10 o'clock a.m., waivers are due.
74:50So if you've been holding off thinking you can get them in sometime.
74:54Wait, Dan, hold on. Maybe the FFPC is 10 a.m.
74:58tomorrow morning? Yes. Correct. Oh, beautiful. That changes my whole world.
75:02Yeah, there you go. There you go. Okay. I'm going to take a nap, a midday nap now instead of breaking out the coffee.
75:11So we know one guy who's had his head in a hole.
75:15I thought it was 10 o'clock tonight. I just was on that assumption.
75:20Yeah. But I'm going to be spending money like one of those sailors that landed in Thailand this week after being on a ship for like 250 days.
75:30Spending money like Hubbard? Is that what I heard?
75:33If I win these bids, I'm going to have like $100.
75:37Hey, Nelson, Hubbard's not in control of the FAB budget.
75:41Is he on a lot of those teams? Because you might be… He's grinding FAB, but we're going to have plenty of money on teams.
75:50Okay. All right. Go ahead, Dan. Somebody's going to put a limiter on Hubbard.
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75:58Yeah. So first off, what are your goals for the early waiver run this week?
76:04And then what do you plan to do later in the week on the Saturday waivers?
76:10And how much or how little FAB are you putting into the bid?
76:14So, Nelson, why don't you just get us going on that?
76:18Well, my suggestion is that you go to FTN Fantasy and you… Nice plug.
76:23Nice plug. And you subscribe to my high stakes subscription.
76:27And I have my waiver wire article already posted there.
76:31Perfect. Boom. All right. That was professional, guys, by the way.
76:35The way that was let in. It's beautiful, Nelson.
76:38Anything else to say on waivers, Nelson? No, no, no.
76:42It's behind a paywall. Sorry. All right. Behind the paywall.
76:45Pay up, people. I mean, I will say this.
76:48I mean, it's amazing some of these guys. And I have a couple of teams that I have a main event that
76:56has Ricky Pearsall and Jaden Higgins on it. And I have awesome – I think it's like I have Chase and Brown.
77:04I have four awesome receivers. But there's some really good guys out there.
77:09And you just got to – if it wasn't guys that I thought were really good, I wouldn't spend the money.
77:17But – All right. So, listen. You know, this is the biggest fab period probably we're going to see.
77:24There was so many – so much turnover through June and July.
77:28Guys that came out of nowhere. I'm looking – I just came off of three hours of doing fab this morning before the show.
77:37So, it's the same names, okay? It's, you know, Jacoby Lane, Pat Bryant, Malachi Fields.
77:42Got some of the Dolphin-wide receivers, Chris Bell. You know, these are the guys that make up for what Matt's talking about.
77:50You lost Ricky Pearsall in June and July drafts.
77:53You – a couple other guys. I mean, these are guys that are going on picks 115 to 150 overall here with Pat Bryant and Jacoby Lane.
78:03The running back – the running back fab list is a little shorter though.
78:08You know, the two biggest names – and they're not even that huge to me.
78:14But, you know, Malik Davis and Najee Harris seem like they're the two top names on the – you know, at the
78:22top of the list when you go through fab for the last couple months of drafts.
78:27It's just solid backup handcuffs. I don't think anything to break the bank over.
78:32But, you know, some solid depth that you could put on your team.
78:37I spent my morning getting rid of or trying to drop 322 shares of Jadon Blue.
78:43Yeah. Those two guys would fill in nicely as a – you know, a – I'll say this, Chris.
78:50Malik Davis, I think he's – if anything happens to Javante, I do think he's like the new Rico Dabble.
78:57It's like they brought him along kind of the same way.
79:01They let everybody, including Jadon Blue, they said, here, run with it.
79:05Here's your opportunity. And, you know, and I'm not even much for preseason.
79:10I watch very little, but I don't even know who they even played.
79:15It might have been Arizona. But he picked up a great block.
79:19He ran well. He caught it. Again, third preseason game.
79:23But he did everything that, you know, that you wanted to see.
79:27And he's their guy, I think. So I think he's like the top running back.
79:33Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So those are some of the names that people will be bidding on tonight.
79:39How much, how little. Let's say, you know, each league will be different.
79:43But I think that some people will go a little overboard because they're trying to make up – nobody wants to go
79:51into the season, into week one, feeling like they have holes on their roster.
79:57In their roster. And they could get a guy that's going 150th overall on draft boards now and put them on their
80:05team and feel like, all right, I got rid of my Ricky Pierce or whatever.
80:10And I replaced them with something decent. So, you know, I'll try and add, sprinkle in some shares.
80:16I'm not going to break the bank. But I'll make some switches there and add some of those guys.
80:23And, Dan, to follow up with what you said, my second run this weekend will really just all be – I spent,
80:31you know, at least a couple picks each draft on guys that are playing in these Wednesday and Thursday games, especially the kicker position, the defenses.
80:41There will be a lot of switches with that as well.
80:45Could – Stribble, now he's available in like two of my OCs.
80:49I might ask anybody, you prices and all that.
80:52But I got to think – like I'm not really drafting Stribble, but I'm willing to unload a substantial amount just on
81:00the basis of Nelson's excellent analysis from previously, you know, for that chance.
81:05I didn't have to draft him or maybe, you know, I had Pierce Hall, Higgins, and that's a guy that I could add that has that possible upside.
81:15So, we'll see. Yeah, and also, if you've been drafting for a long time, like some of us, there's a few Marshawn
81:23Lloyd free agent shares bouncing around out there. I saved that for you, Dan, because you mentioned it last week.
81:30Yep, that's a fun one. If you have Stribbling available in an early draft, it's going to be $700 plus.
81:38Yeah, that's what I'm assuming. And the FFC for sure.
81:41Yeah. FFPC might be able to catch him a little bit cheaper, but yeah, you're going to be spending up to get him.
81:50I don't think you have a shot anything under 500.
81:53Mm-hmm. Okay. Yep. Fair enough. All right. So, yeah.
81:57Let's, anything else? Anybody else have anything on the waiver wire?
82:01All good? All right. Let's move on then. Let's talk a little bit of the NFFC.
82:06Chris, why don't you, while I'm bringing up the board, tell us a little bit about how things went at GST and let's go from there.
82:16I think it was a really solid day, year two of the live drafts.
82:21Everybody came in hot and heavy at 10 a.m.
82:24The auctions started. The room started filling up shortly after that around 1231 when we did the super auction and the 1 p.m.
82:32primetime. And, you know, I feel like the room was nice and full and lively from 1 o'clock till right after the New York Super.
82:41Some people stayed through the super. It was a solid day.
82:45I hope that everybody was happy with the food.
82:49And I know everybody took advantage of the open bar all day and night.
82:54That's for sure. And I think year two was an even bigger success than year one was.
83:00But, you know, ask someone that was in attendance in Nelson right there.
83:05Yeah. It's actually my favorite. One of my favorite trips all year is going down to New York City.
83:12I used to really like, you know, the hotels and doing the drafts there.
83:17But since we switched it last year, I actually love going to Chris's place.
83:22It just has that like home league draft type of feel.
83:26The camaraderie with the guys, seeing everyone, enjoying the joking around, laughing.
83:30Great food, way better than hotel type of, you know, menu that we were seeing at these live drafts and stuff like that.
83:38So, yeah, I always enjoy my time. I thought, you know, once again, it was a great setup this year.
83:46I mean, I missed it. And I got to tell you, that was that was a horrible day for me.
83:53You know, missing out on all that fun and seeing everybody.
83:57But I hated, hated the hotels. Like I if unless I lived in the tri-state area, there was no way in hell I was going to New York.
84:07Those hotels were horrible. And moving into GST was probably the greatest thing that NFFC could have possibly done.
84:14And I look forward to being there next year, counting down the days.
84:19Thank you guys for saying all that. And I'll say it from my my side of it.
84:25I'm just glad that everything went off without a hitch.
84:28There was no tech issues. Once we got up and running early in the morning, the boards stay up, stayed up on
84:36the TVs nice and easy for everybody to watch.
84:40You know, we had the I had NFL Network on the bar, the TV bars to people go watch, you know, the news and everything going on.
84:49It just it's just a solid day. And we get to draft five, six drafts in a row.
84:56I mean, it's what we live for. It's what we you know, it's what we like to do.
85:02So fun time. A lot of people sent some really nice messages afterwards.
85:07So I'm happy with it. And I also heard I heard that Spatari was signing autographs.
85:13Let me just tell you a real quick thing.
85:16And I just tell you guys, I missed this and I can't I can't go any further.
85:22We had a really nice couple, a nice gentleman and his wife.
85:27They had messaged me a couple of weeks earlier and they asked if they could come for their anniversary to fly in
85:35to New York for the weekend anniversary. And the highlight, they wanted to spend the day watching drafts because they both love
85:43to draft as a husband and wife. The daughter reached out to me as well.
85:48Loved it. The whole story was great. So, of course, I said, absolutely come.
85:53They spent the whole day there, 10 hours when they came in the door.
85:58I greeted them. They said, nice to meet you.
86:02We watched the Fantasy Empire every week, everything like that.
86:05And then, of course, Spatari jumped up because he's an attention whore and he needed to get into the spotlight.
86:12And he welcomed them as well as like he thought he was the second host of the drafts that day.
86:20So he then he said hello to them. And they said, oh, my God, we recognize you from your show and your dream.
86:28Oh, God. When I tell you Spatari's smile, he escorted them to their table.
86:33Please come on in. Let me get. Do you want a hamburger?
86:37Turkey burgers we're serving here. What could we do to make it?
86:42Spatari came back with a smile. He said, did you hear what they said?
86:47They said they watch me. They know me. And that's all I really had to think about.
86:53He's the GST's new maitre d'. That's, oh, man.
86:56I hope he picked up their check. Cheap bastard.
87:00No, he didn't. He didn't. Of course. Yeah. No.
87:03But anyway, that was a little story from that day.
87:06That's awesome. That's great. All right. So, by the way, shout out to Uno, bullet champion.
87:12I had a cake for him last Thursday night.
87:15He just sent us a video. He's watching us on the flight out to Vegas right now on the screen.
87:23Shout out Uno. Good luck, gentlemen. Yep. All right.
87:26Let's dive into this board here. I guess Nelson, you and Chris, we're both in it.
87:32So, we'll let you guys kind of lead it off, talk about anything you want, and we can go through the teams.
87:40Chris, you want to start? Well, we'll start right where it started, right there, with Nelson and Theo, right there.
87:47You know, I'll talk. We'll go team by team if you guys want.
87:52But I'm just going to say, the New York Super, it again felt as if it was a heavy wide receiver build, a heavy wide receiver draft.
88:02A lot of people trying to get those yellow stickers early and often.
88:06And most people wanted to wait on quarterback. You know, the big dilemma for me as we go through it here is the fall of Josh Allen.
88:16And I could tell you my thought process as we go along.
88:20I almost pulled the trigger on him in the fifth round on the come around.
88:26But I wanted to, again, like Nelson talked about, get that second running back out of the way.
88:32I didn't want to play, you know, how everybody's been playing these drafts with waiting and getting their RB2 to be like, eh.
88:41I wanted to lock in a running back RB2 that I really like and somebody I could depend on every week instead of a hope and a prayer.
88:51So that's my biggest observation overview of the board.
88:54Nelson, what about you? Yeah, I mean, Theo and I both agreed that starting with Jameer Gibbs, you got to love it.
89:02Um, I'm, I'm never going to pass up, uh, on a opportunity to draft Gibbs.
89:07The issue is in a draft like this, I actually prefer to be like in the middle of the draft.
89:15Uh, just because when you have, you know, it's a tough draft and when you have runs at positions, it can really
89:23like get cleaned up and leave you vulnerable. Um, if you're drafting at like one, two, three and 12, 11, 10, uh, range.
89:31So, uh, that was our biggest worry was that, okay, once we go Gibbs, what does this look like?
89:38Are we going to be able to get, uh, and, and build like a decent wide receiver room?
89:44And I think for what it was, I, I think we did okay.
89:49Yeah. I mean, 12, 13, 10, solve all your problems.
89:53The 12. Oh, uh, Brian and Mitchell. Yeah. Nelson, do you feel like the board shrunk up a little, uh, you know,
90:01did you miss out on the run or were you happy with the JMO Christian Watson turn?
90:07Or did you feel like, you know, this is my concern with drafting out of the one and two holes, right?
90:15Is that, you know, that whole third round goes yellow.
90:18Sometimes you get in a little softer of leagues and you get the extension of that middle of the third round where
90:26somebody falls to you, you know, the, the Wilsons, the burdens, DJ more T Higgins, whatever, somebody falls to you instead of
90:34having to pull up guys that usually probably have to take at the end of the fourth round, middle of the fourth round in JMO and Christian Watson.
90:44Now I know you're high on both of those guys and they're both really good wide receivers, but ideally, you know, like
90:52you said, you have to play with the board gives you and you're at the mercy of everyone here, which is why
91:00I put myself in the middle of the draft as well.
91:04Nelson, like just what you said, the harder the league for me, the more I want to go to the middle, you
91:12know, the softer the league, the more I want to go to the ends because I expect more things to fall to me there.
91:21So that would just be my comment on that.
91:24How do you feel about that turn? You happy with it?
91:28I want to follow up before Nelson answers just real quick, you know, cause you got the, you got the Jamison Williams
91:36and then he picked up Goff later. Obviously you have Gibbs already.
91:40So is that part of your thought process in taking JMO there was just, you wanted to get the stack going.
91:48Correct. Yeah. So, um, what I can say is that feel, uh, like me, we're not as, uh, big Parker Washington fans
91:56as, uh, like some people are, which is, which is fine.
92:00In this room? Listen, as I was saying it, I was like, shit.
92:05No, no, no, no truth to the rumor that this is why Theo split with, uh, with fantasy points was over Parker Washington.
92:13Yeah. I apologize, Matty. Again, I, you know. It's all good.
92:17I'm a big boy. Listen, it's just, it's my opinion.
92:21Like I'm, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna berate the guy or shit on the guy, but I'm just not as big
92:29of a fan as, as other people that that's okay.
92:32So Theo felt the same way. He really likes Jamison Williams.
92:36So we knew we were making that pick. I really like Christian Watson.
92:41I'm willing to take Watson in the third round of, of drafts.
92:45No problem. Um, so I just needed to do a little bit of convincing with Theo.
92:51I think if Theo was doing this on his own, he probably would have gone a Buka.
92:57Um, with that. Definitely a Buka. Yeah. So, and, and listen, I'm a huge fan of a Buka, but I, I looked
93:05at it and said, you know what, it's confined league.
93:09Let, let's play it a little, you know, a little safer.
93:13Um, let's go with the healthy guy and, you know, we'll be, we'll be able to have opportunities to take a Buka,
93:21you know, in plenty of other drafts. So, um, yeah, we, we were good with that, that turn.
93:27And then the, the five, six turn was basically, we knew we wanted to grab a running back.
93:34We weren't going to do anything crazy. Like, you know, go five wide receivers.
93:39Um, we weren't going to take a quarterback, uh, tight end, most likely not.
93:44Uh, if like Warren fell, um, we felt like we needed to get a, like a solid RB two and, and our fourth wide receiver.
93:53So once, once that happened, it was, you know, just take best player available, uh, from that point forward is what we did.
94:01I think you guys did a great job. I really liked this team.
94:06I mean, I like the booze, you too. And Mason's three, you know, with Gibbs, I think, you know, plus receivers.
94:14I liked what you did with the, uh, the pits Kincaid combo and off Knicks.
94:19Uh, you know, it, you don't see that too much that, you know, quarterback tight end for four in a row, but,
94:27um, you had what you needed for receivers and three running backs and you obviously were good with it.
94:34So, um, I thought it was a solid team for sure.
94:38Uh, my, I guess, I guess I can't even ask this question to you if like, you know, if, if London wasn't
94:46there, you know, um, you know, I think the look of the team is completely different.
94:52I would have taken Waddle. I would have taken Waddle.
94:55Yeah. Yeah. So actually Waddle, the way the team worked out would have been nice too.
95:01I think you're going to start, I think you're going to see this week.
95:06You know, a lot of those third round receiver names are going to start going back into the second now.
95:14Um, so be prepared again to see those, uh, you know, Waddles and maybe Lad McConkey's, the Bonta Smith's and, and the
95:22Bukas start entering that end of the second round.
95:25Cause you know, when you're the Gibbs and Bijon owner, uh, and you don't want to start off running back, running back.
95:33And that run of receivers is gone. Um, you might want to, uh, you might want to just bring them up a little bit more.
95:42Real quick. The one thing I says, I don't, I thought Watson was going to move up this, uh, you know, as
95:50we got closer and it seemed like he was falling back, which I don't get.
95:55So, I mean, the three, four turn for me, it was fun.
96:00It brings you to guys you like, you know, I mean, I'm with you on Watson.
96:05I do like JMO. I mean, the other guys I probably, but I do like the stack you built.
96:12Yeah. I think with Jacobs possibly missing the start of the season or the whole season, I think Green Bay set up to throw the ball a lot.
96:22Yeah. I'm with you on that. I, you know, even like Matthew Golden, I wound up having a lot of shares.
96:30I really want Reed, but I could never really seem to get Jada Reed.
96:35And it's even if you, I think even if you don't like Golden, you just got to be in on him at
96:43his price where, where he's been going. And you know, with the possibility there, I'm with you wholeheartedly on the, more passing.
96:51So in a general sense, the one thing that really jumped out about me to me about this board is that, you
96:59know, for, for once we saw, you know, Josh Allen, the price gets depressed a little bit and then the other quarterbacks
97:07kind of get pushed up a little bit. You know, the quarterback run started a little bit earlier than usual.
97:14You know, so to me, this was more like what I was expecting to see a lot at this time of year.
97:22Uh, but you know, as we mentioned earlier, we just haven't really seen that.
97:27Uh, Josh Allen's still been going early and everybody else has been playing chicken at quarterback.
97:33Yeah. Fifth round, Josh Allen's tough to pass, but I mean, I do get Chris's point and even Billy with Swift and
97:41ETN, you know, then really solid RB twos there.
97:44But yeah, I don't mean looking good. It makes it a lot easier when you know, you got good quarterbacks, you know,
97:52several, several rounds later, but yes, I totally agree with that.
97:56And I've been doing the same thing, but again, this is a guy that puts up 40 burgers of touchdowns every year,
98:04like consistently six years in a row. Nobody's done it more than two years in a row.
98:10That's just, you know, that's like, you know, Matt, it's a tough, obviously that's one of the, you know, myself and Billy
98:18spoke about it after we were both drained the clock, you know, if we're going to take the running back there or
98:26Allen, if he's going to take ETN or Allen, Uno finally says, screw it.
98:31And I think that was right. Like once Swift and ETN came off the board, I think Kyron Williams is the next running back.
98:40You know, if you're a Kyron Williams guy, then maybe you could take him as your RB two.
98:47If you're Uno as well, if he liked him or not, probably doesn't.
98:51One of us was going to take Josh Allen.
98:55For me, I look at it more the way Nelson said, I like the quarterbacks that go in the eighth and ninth round.
99:03I like four or five of them. I actually love them all.
99:07Can I say one thing? I want to change the whole dynamic of my team because I feel like the cliff at running back comes there.
99:17And I look at these guys that are third round, you know, fourth round running backs here as back end RB ones.
99:25And then I don't like a lot of the names that you see afterwards.
99:30So it's a completely different look on my team and the way I view drafts this year.
99:36If I don't get one of these guys as my RB two, and then I could play around.
99:43I'm now the draft changes because I don't have to force up any of these rounds, six, seven, eight guys to be my RB two.
99:52I'm not in the business of, oh my God, I'm loaded at receiver.
99:56I got this. I got that. Now I got to go and force Tony Pollard up to be my RB two.
100:04He could be dog shit. J.K. Dobbins, Jordan Mason.
100:07I'm not, I don't want, I want all these guys as my three.
100:12I have one question for you, Chris. Yeah. Like being that you had Roman Dunes, look, Swift was a fun pick, even if you didn't have him.
100:22When you had a Dunes and Swift was there, were you thinking, you know what?
100:27Like, was that more of a factor too to say, you know what, I'm going to take Swift.
100:34I get the solid RB two and I could do the stack.
100:38Yeah. Just because in the back of my head, once I drafted Dunes and then I'm like Swift, I'm big on the bears.
100:46So, you know, I know right then and there that down the road, I'm going to try and go get Caleb and just have some more bears.
100:56Similar, a little similar to what Nelson did. Right.
100:59With the lions. I'm sure him and Theo are in on the lions.
101:04Offense. There's certain offenses that most of us love the bangles, the cowboys, the bears, the lion, you know, shit like that.
101:12So, you know, Nelson has a Gibbs. He's not scared to take GMO.
101:17And then he goes and gets golf. I kind of did the same thing, you know, as a bears.
101:24Right. I have no issue at all. Some people are like, Oh, you know, you have the receiver.
101:30Why take the running back? I don't understand why people even talk like that.
101:35There's plenty of, if you're in a good offense, there's, you know, nobody's saying no to chase Brown, Joe Burrow and T Higgins.
101:44You know, nobody's going to be like, Oh, you know, I don't want three guys on one team.
101:50The offense can light up a scoreboard, but you know, so, um, you know, that was my thought process with the bears.
101:58Um, you know, so that's that. All right. Fair enough.
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103:35Why wait? You want to go to team two?
103:38How do you want to do this, Dan? Yeah, we'll do team two.
103:42We'll just kind of buzz our way down them.
103:46So Chris Eibel, starting off with Bijan, Nico, Tet.
103:49I'm a little bit less high on Tet than that, but he gets a really nice value.
103:55Trey McBride in the fourth. You know, I think it's a very solid team that he put together here.
104:02It's no surprise. You know, Chris always puts together a really nice looking team.
104:07So I like this one. It's very balanced. I like having Hurts at quarterback and then waiting to get Shuck and get,
104:15you know, a couple more players that he really wants in there.
104:19Okay. I like what he did. If he comes out this week or next week that Jacobs is suspended four to six weeks, well, guess what?
104:29In the second half of the season, he's got his new RB2, you know?
104:34So, you know, we'll see how his wide receivers pan out for him.
104:39Josh Downs is a three and Diggs is his four.
104:42Probably going to be his weak point, but that's the sacrifice you make when you take a Trey McBride.
104:49And, you know, he takes a fourth round Trey McBride and nobody could fault him for that.
104:55Yeah. And he's got Tootin Rodriguez combo. So, you know, he's got somebody he can throw in the flex there.
105:03If, you know, if Diggs isn't working out, you know, you can get Tootin Rodriguez in there.
105:09So he's got some options. Yeah. Yep. All right.
105:12And we got Mike Sanda. Went with a, he went with a Chase Higgins Burrow stack.
105:18Looks like he might have sniped Nelson on Ramondre.
105:21Though, I don't know if Nelson can reasonably expect Ramondre to come back in this draft or not.
105:28Thoughts on this team? Yeah. Actually, yeah, Nelson. Go ahead.
105:31No, I think Mike drafted a really good team.
105:34I thought that was the right pick with Javante in the fourth round.
105:39Once you go three wide. I like the four wide setup better in like tournaments, main events, 350s, things like that.
105:47But I won't do that unless like really like there's nothing I like.
105:52I'll usually go three wide and then I'll get my running back in these confined leagues at that point.
105:58Stevenson falling there to him, I think was a really good spot to take.
106:03And then he was always going to take Burrow once he had Chase Higgins.
106:09It's just a, it's a solid draft. Like there, I can't really critique much as far as saying like, you know, oh, he did a good job.
106:18Like, yeah, he did a good job. Like, and I can't critique nothing negative.
106:23Like it's a solid team. I really liked actually Mike's team here.
106:28I thought he got everything he needed. He went big three receivers.
106:32You knew as soon as he took T Higgins that he was taking Burrow.
106:37Nobody stood in the way of that, I guess you could say.
106:42But he still didn't force it up where, you know, he took Ramondre.
106:46Like he was at least realized, I got to get my RB too.
106:51And if either teams two or one takes Burrow, so be it.
106:55But, you know, he gets two solid running back bell cows, three big receivers.
107:00Comes right back after getting the elite quarterback and snags Jaden Reed to be his fourth wide receiver.
107:07And then still comes right back after that and gets a solid three and four in Gainwell and White.
107:14Pass catching running backs that can fill in and give you 10, 12 PPR points each week.
107:20You know, and then if Kittle is here in week one, which he should be, that could be a real home run
107:28pick at tight end on a team that waited on tight end.
107:32So solid. Yeah, he did a great job here.
107:36You know, I love the sandwich of George Pickens there.
107:39Just a public service enhancement. In the OC yesterday, the guy at three got Chase, got Higgins.
107:45And in round six, at six, three, he started four wide.
107:49He gets his bench receiver over Joe Burrow. And I was like, how do you do that?
107:55How do you take, I don't care how much you love Marvin Harrison.
108:00He's your wide receiver five there. He's not coming back.
108:04When I was in the middle, I would have took Burrow in the seventh.
108:09There was no way I was going to look.
108:12I would have been happy to take Burrow in the seventh.
108:16But I just think if you made that commitment, why, how can you pass that off?
108:22And you see people do strange things. And he had a really good team.
108:27All right, team four. Chris, you want to take that one?
108:31Lowy. Lowy goes four wide. This Abuka as the wide receiver four now.
108:36Talked about it earlier. Could be, you know, could work out really well now that he's back.
108:42On Friday, we were still in no man's land in terms of news with Abuka.
108:47We didn't know where he was, when he was going to show up, but he's moving around.
108:53And this is a guy that everybody had as a wide receiver two.
108:58He's got him as his four. Again, a couple running backs that maybe, you know, he likes and aren't the hottest running back names on the board.
109:08But two bell cows and Kyron Williams and Junkins.
109:11Then he clips Lamar Jackson, an elite top four fantasy quarterback, to go on top of it.
109:17And a Tucker Craft running back. So a Tucker Craft at tight end.
109:22So through eight rounds, I thought he did a phenomenal job here.
109:26Just looking down a little more depth with Mike Washington, Jones, Black, and a couple rookie upside swings with Lemon and Boston as a five and six.
109:36So another solid team. All right. And my main takeaway is I'm never taking crap from Chris again about how I pronounce
109:44Monongai until he learns how to pronounce Judkins. What did I say?
109:49Jenkins? Junkins. It's always Junkins. Judkins. All right. All right.
109:52There we go. All right. I'll work on that, Dan.
109:56You work on Monongai. I'll work on Monongai. All right.
109:59Matt next? Yeah, I'll do this one. This is Mr.
110:03Zuka. I heard he was opening up like a flower blooming in the spring at the GST.
110:09All it took was to walk in the room.
110:13The Greek should be a politician, by the way.
110:16He's got to run for office in New York.
110:19Zuka. The Greek got Zuka out of his shell.
110:22Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is another good team.
110:26I mean, you got Brees Hall. Bowers is always going to make a team, anytime you take a tight end.
110:33But, I mean, Brian Thomas in the fifth. But who are you taking?
110:38You could have took Michael Wilson if you wanted the receiver.
110:42So, I still think Brian Thomas, even if he has a rough, if you build a good enough receiver core, it might be rough early.
110:51But the guy could actually be one of the best second half receivers that we're going to see this year.
110:58Because, you know, that second half schedule is cake.
111:01As hard as that first half is. So, if you build a good enough receiver core, yeah, I mean, I really don't
111:09have a problem with any of the guys here.
111:12I like the Daniels dart. You know, two injury-prone guys, but two guys who could be top three quarterbacks.
111:19And he got two shots at it. So, you know, all in all, I think he did a nice job here.
111:27I mean, I think when you draft Bowers in round two, you just have, you know, you have to look at it as a receiver.
111:36So, when you put that, you know, just act like it's a yellow sticker.
111:41And you've got three monster receivers. And then you start off your running back room with a guy that I feel is
111:49a top 15 RB1 type RB, back-end RB1 in all.
111:53And then you get some, you know, you play the yellow-green, you know, back and forth.
111:58You wait on quarterback because you drafted an elite tight end.
112:02And you still get Jaden Daniels. So, I don't have any issues with this as well.
112:08Nelson, you see anything? No, I mean, I think the tough part is going to be, no, no, I can't critique it too much.
112:17There's a couple of players that, you know, I'm not too fond of or whatever, but.
112:23Player-wise, no, but in terms of the build, right?
112:26Yeah, it works. Yeah. All right. Who wants to take Edelman?
112:30Edelman. Edelman. I'll take Edelman. I think the running back room is a little young and a little risky for a standalone league.
112:38But he gets the Josh Allen pick, you know, in the fifth round.
112:43And that has to come at some type of price.
112:47You know, he has Devon A. Chan to build off of his running back room.
112:52I could probably be, you know, I could be totally wrong on this, right?
112:57Jadarian Price, if he's a star, this team is a monster.
113:01You know, he's got a solid two in Garrett Wilson, a solid three in Parker Washington.
113:07Addison, a solid veteran in Tony Pollard. Maybe Tony Pollard.
113:10He uses early in the season until he sees what he has in either Price or Brooks.
113:17And he's a solid three in the season. When you look at this team, he probably felt like he was playing a
113:25little bit of catch up at running back and receiver.
113:28So he wanted to get an attack that straight through the middle rounds and get a bunch of guys.
113:35And he gets Jordan Tyson to hopefully come in and be maybe his wide receiver for every week later on in the season.
113:43But it came at the price of his tight end room.
113:47And I have no problem him doing what he did when you wait on tight end and you get past round 13,
113:5514, then just put a collection of guys together and hope that one emerges at different points of the season.
114:03You know, maybe TJ Hawkinson early in the season gives you a solid September.
114:08You know, maybe AJ Bonner has that really good week one.
114:12This talks of him being a big part of the Seattle offense.
114:16And then, you know, Chig could be what everyone's been hoping he is at tight end.
114:22So he's going to he's not it's going to be tough for him at tight end each week, deciding who's going to
114:30play with those three and hope that the wheel doesn't stop each week with whoever he plays at tight end winding up with four points.
114:39I mean, I think everybody's burying Chig a bit too early.
114:43He's not coming off the field, you know, from what we saw and what we've heard.
114:49We've seen digs come off the field. But I mean, Chig's now a 15th rounder.
114:54And that's, you know, a shot I'll take. I'm pretty happy about.
114:58I thought the Pollard and Barner picks were great because Pollard really, you know, put a floor on his RB to give him time.
115:07Like you said, Chris, for Price and Brooks to, you know, to come into their own.
115:13And then with Barner, you really, you know, essentially you could have a, you know, a Ford tight end room because if
115:21Barner doesn't do crap tomorrow or Thursday night or tomorrow night, then you just get rid of him and you bring in another tight end.
115:30And, you know, you'll now you have to figure out who to start this week.
115:35But, you know, you kind of got that free look at Barner and then you can throw him away if you need to.
115:44So, yeah, I like what he did there. Yeah.
115:47The Pollard pick I agree with because if you look at the board, it's kind of the last solid running back left
115:55on the board that, you know, is going to get 15 plus touches each week.
116:00So him getting Pollard right there to be his RB4 completed, you know, a running back room of four deep.
116:08So that was a big pick for him. For sure.
116:11All right. Nelson, you want to do Billy's team?
116:15Sure. So with Billy, he starts off with James Cook, which I'm a big fan of.
116:20He gets so he's got Quinton Johnson as his third wide receiver or KC.
116:25And then he's got KC or Dowdle to play in the flex.
116:30So I kind of like that because when you take a tight end early like Loveland, it usually means that your flex
116:38spot is a little weaker, which, you know, some might say like, well, you know, I wouldn't be happy with KC or Dowdle as my flex option.
116:48But I actually think that like one of those guys is going to be OK in the flex gets a good quarterback.
116:56Again, it's like Mike Sanda. Like, it's just a solid draft.
117:00Like, it's done very well. He knows what he's doing.
117:03I'm a fan of the team. So I can't really say anything negative about it.
117:09Only good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I loved it. I loved him getting ETN as his RB2 gets the elite tight end in Loveland.
117:17You know, teams going to be based on if QJ and KC Concepcion are what he probably hopes it will be.
117:25And he nails Trevor Lawrence as his as his quarterback.
117:28So another team like. Yeah, God. No, just being that we're on the topic of James Cook, do we any possibility cooks go in top six this weekend?
117:38No, we. Yeah, we talked about that while you were on timeout.
117:43Yeah. Yeah. We actually we actually. Yeah. If you once you when you go back and watch.
117:49I took him 6-S today. That's why I'm asking.
117:52Yeah, for sure. I think I'll listen later. I'll hang up and listen.
117:57Yeah. You guys want to cover my team real quick.
118:00I know we got to bounce. I think you should cover it.
118:05I'll just say this because I know we're up against it.
118:09Jefferson. I have over Lamb first round. I'm big on Jefferson this year.
118:14That's why I put myself there to make sure I got either Jefferson or Lamb to start the team off with wide
118:21receiver just because I knew I had the options of running backs coming back to me in the top 17.
118:29That's where I wanted to be was top 17 to get one of those running back names.
118:35I think Jenty who was a top eight overall pick all summer long.
118:40I'm taking the discount on him. I think if he's not there week one, he'll be there right there afterwards.
118:47So I'm not shying away from Jenty. I get him at two knowing I'm in a great spot for wide receiver two
118:55in the third round in the top 29 overall.
118:58I get that in Devonta Smith. I come back around and I start building the wide receiver room a little deeper there.
119:06Roma Dunze. I almost took Swift where I took a Dunze to be honest guys.
119:11But I saw what was left on the board at wide receiver and I didn't think that if I took Swift and
119:19the fact that a couple that team 12 had three running backs already that maybe I could get one of these running
119:27backs to come back to me and I was lucky enough to get Swift to come back on the come around.
119:35DK Metcalf is a name. I'll just keep saying I think he's underrated right now on draft boards as a wide receiver four.
119:43I get him and then I'm still able to build out my running back room with Corum and Dobbins as my three and my four.
119:52So I was really happy after as well getting Caleb Williams to be my quarterback on this team and still happy with
120:00my tight end and I'm happy with my tight end room for waiting on it too with a likely Jawan Johnson combo.
120:08Okay. One more thing I like too, real quick, you got Sadiq late.
120:13He's my new Ferguson late round guy because Ferguson's not late round anymore.
120:18Yeah. All right. I know a couple of you guys got a bolt here.
120:23Yeah. So you can just wrap it up. Yeah.
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