Devy Dojo - 2027 NFL Draft Prospects: 9 Athletic Freaks You NEED to Know!
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Aug 15, 2026
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Chris JohnsonEli StowersKenyon Sadiq
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Chris Johnson
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Chris Johnson Jr. is an elite speedster with a verified 22.3 mph in-game speed, the second-fastest in college football last year. While his raw speed is tantalizing, he faces concerns regarding his technical development, patience, and ability to climb the depth chart at Clemson. His devy value is currently volatile due to his need to prove himself to Dabo Sweeney.
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Eli Stowers is noted for having a higher yards per route run than Jamari Johnson, placing him ahead of Johnson in that specific efficiency metric among college tight ends last year.
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Kenyon Sadiq is considered an elite prospect and a lock for the first round of the NFL Draft, with the source noting he excels in contested catch situations.
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0:48And we're back. And when you hear that music, you already know that it's time to enter the dojo.
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1:05We are so excited to have the Devi Oracle in the dojo tonight.
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1:34It just made sense. You know, we're always talking with these boys.
1:38We've been on the show with Spencer and I see a couple times.
1:41Tom and I have been on shows together. You know, it's a great little friendship that we have.
1:46And we've grown into a nice little cohesive unit and now we are all partners in crime here at the Devi Dojo.
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2:04So Spencer, let's hear your thoughts, man. We're obviously glad to have you.
2:07And it's not really like you're even a guest at this point.
2:11You're a guest on me and Dustin's show technically, but you're part of the dojo now.
2:15So you're one of the boys. Yeah, man. I was going to say I'd be remiss if I didn't say guest.
2:21You know, I thought this was my new home.
2:23So no, I mean, I'm really glad to be part of this.
2:27Like, I mean, obviously you guys are the dojo.
2:29We've become like brothers. You know, we're talking ball all the time.
2:33We're talking life. And I'm looking forward to kind of, I think, you know, we've been saying we're getting bigger.
2:38But more importantly, we're getting better with this. We're going to be able to do more, bring more content, kind of go beyond just the simple Devi.
2:46And we're going to be starting to get that dynasty content consistently out for you.
2:50We're going to be starting to get some CFF looks and really be able to build some really fun, cool tools.
2:56So I'm looking forward to it. I really appreciate you guys having me on your show here today.
3:01And I look forward to many more to come as we build this thing out.
3:05Without a doubt. Yeah. Now there's a nice pool of people that we can draw from for instances like next week, where
3:11we will have our biggest guest ever, Will Stone from Blue Chip himself joining.
3:15And of course, I botched my schedule and I'm best man at a wedding that night.
3:20So that means that Spencer's I mean, SC is going to fill in for us that day.
3:24And he'll be joining Dustin with Will on the pod.
3:27So that'll be a great, great episode next week.
3:30So stay tuned. There's going to be more opportunities for us to just keep bringing content out for you guys every week
3:36on schedule, especially as we get here into the meat of the season.
3:39And in honor of this partnership, we today are discussing the Devi Planet's aliens list, which is much like a freak's list is a very, very detailed article.
3:47I read it and I was like, wow, this is a lot of content.
3:51It was fantastic. You guys did a great job.
3:54So we've each highlighted a couple of players that we wanted to discuss from the aliens list that are specifically 2027 draft
4:00eligible players so that we can, as always, start looking forward to the future, because once the season gets rolling, baby, we're
4:06going to be thinking about those drafts coming up in the spring.
4:09So without further ado, the first player that I picked is Lenoris Sellers.
4:13And if you're a longtime listener of the dojo, you know that I have been a Sellers fan for quite some time,
4:19even though he's not on my top 12 quarterbacks as it stands in Devi.
4:23He's still flirting with that top 15 there. I still love the talent.
4:27I think he's still got a really, really good shot of getting that first round draft capital because he is a freak.
4:33He is an alien. He's absolutely phenomenal physical specimen, amazing cannon arm.
4:36He can run the ball like hell. The problem is that the on-field results haven't been quite up to par compared to
4:42what we know he has in him, but he has all the tools that you're looking for out of a quarterback and
4:48a dual threat running quarterback, especially for fantasy purposes, which, you know, we love those.
4:53They get a lot of points, but he hasn't really been able to put it all together.
4:57The thing that I love about him as well as his intangibles, like he seems like an absolutely amazing leader, a great
5:03kid, got a good head on his shoulders. The head on his shoulders, the leadership doesn't always translate to poise on the field, though.
5:10He's made some errant throws. He's made some poor decision making, and he doesn't have a good cast around him, which kind
5:16of stinks because his loyalty is almost biting him back at this point because he's sticking to South Carolina and he hasn't
5:22really had a whole lot of guys to throw to.
5:25So when you look at the overall profile, I'm still pretty in on him.
5:29I have to be in on him. I have a lot of him from last year, but I believe that he's still
5:35got a real chance to rise again and become one of those top flight names in Debbie this year if he can
5:41just put a little bit more together looking at his career stats.
5:45He's only got a 73.4 PFF offensive grade, 62.6 completion percentage, NFL QBR, not terrible 97.1, but this is what I'm talking about.
5:51He's ran the ball 259 times for nearly 1500 yards and 13 touchdowns.
5:55That's fantastic. So if we can see him evolve a little bit more as a passer, I think that it's wheels up
6:01and I think there's still a shot that even if he has a year much like he did the last two seasons,
6:07he's still going to go in the first round.
6:10We've seen Anthony Richardson go number four overall because of that tantalizing overall profile.
6:14And there's going to be some NFL GMs that are just salivating at the tools that this kid has.
6:19So for me, had to start with this guy because I'm just wishing above all else that he can just produce a
6:25little bit better this year and rise up those rankings once again.
6:28Yeah, I know Spencer and I were both really high on him last year too.
6:33And it makes sense to have Lenoris on this list because he's a freak.
6:37He's out of this world. Six foot three, I believe like 240 pounds.
6:40He moves ridiculously for a man of that size.
6:43And I think it is interesting when you bring up Anthony Richardson because I think that's the go-to in this era of
6:49the type of quarterback we think of that size that's athletic.
6:52It can move. But the thing is, Lenoris has a lot more collegiate experience, which makes me a little more excited for his translatability to the next level.
7:00I think mechanically he's pretty good. But I mean, that rushing dipped down last year.
7:04So Spencer, are you at all concerned going into this season with that bad environment that Chris talked about?
7:09Or do you think that maybe with Bryles there, do you think they've done enough to hopefully elevate that stock?
7:15Yeah. And he's a really tough one. And, you know, obviously we put him on this list because of the physical traits.
7:21I mean, that's how you get on this list is he has those freak traits.
7:25As you said, 6'3", 240 with a cannon. So we know he's got that raw ability.
7:30And I'm really hoping, like the name you mentioned there, Bryles, I think is the key here.
7:34Because he's been known to develop a much better offense than what South Carolina has put out the last couple of years.
7:41And I think Sellers is a really good fit in that offense.
7:44It should help alleviate some of his decision making, help him get the ball out a little quicker.
7:49I mean, he's been asked to do a lot of hero ball.
7:52And I'm hoping that goes down. Now, they didn't necessarily elevate the offensive line and wide receivers like you would hope.
7:58But I mean, at least from the wideout standpoint, he has enough talent there that at a college level, even in the
8:04SEC, he should be able to get something done with that.
8:07But the offensive line is still a little bit of a larger concern, especially for a guy who holds onto the ball.
8:14But, you know, I almost ball somewhere in the middle.
8:16I think that this is one you got to kind of head your bed on.
8:21And this is a guy who I had as, honestly, I think my QB won going into last year because of what
8:27he showed at the end of 2024 in that 2025 season.
8:30And it just didn't carry over. So I'm hoping he can kind of rebound back to who that was.
8:35I mean, that game against Clemson in the playoffs was absolutely legendary.
8:38You know, he put the team on his back and showed some incredible stuff.
8:42And we really didn't see even one game last year that matched that performance.
8:46So I'm definitely hoping he can rebound. But, you know, at least from a physical traits, this is what you bet on.
8:52Absolutely. So we'll see what happens here in 2026.
8:55If he can continue to elevate his draft stock a little bit.
8:58Another guy who's almost certainly a lock to be a first round pick, if not the number one overall pick next year
9:04is Arch Manning, quarterback out of Texas. Obviously, we've talked a ton about Arch Manning and he is a freak.
9:10And I know, Spencer, this was one of your picks for a lot of the same reasons that I had just talked about with Lenores.
9:17He can do it all and he can really run the ball.
9:20I think people were kind of sneaky or, you know, sleeping on that part a little bit.
9:25Yeah. I mean, this is one when we were talking about, like, who do we put on the show here and who do we highlight?
9:32Arch is one that when I was putting him on this list originally, SC was like, really?
9:37Is Arch actually an alien? Like, I know he's, you know, got the pedigree, but is alien?
9:42And I think that people would be surprised to learn, like, obviously he has the size.
9:46He's 6'4", 220. I mean, that's prototypical size. But I think they'd be really surprised to learn that he ran last year.
9:52He was the fastest clock GPS time out of any quarterback, all of them in college football.
9:57That includes Lenora Sellers. That includes Kamaru Taylor. That includes all of these guys.
10:01I mean, I could list literally every quarterback in college football.
10:04He had a faster clock GPS time. It was 21.7 miles an hour.
10:08It was in the bowl game there. He just took off straight up the middle.
10:12Didn't put any moves on anyone because he didn't have to.
10:15He was just gone. Guys were diving at his feet and he was gone.
10:19This is, like, the rushing upside with Arch is genuinely special.
10:22I mean, it's kind of, you know, he could definitely learn, you know, there's some mechanical issues.
10:27He still almost looks like he's getting a feel for his body when he's moving, which, you know, he still is a young kid.
10:33He didn't have a lot of starter experience and he played really bad high school competition.
10:38That was something we kind of expected. You know, Sark didn't get him up to what he needed to to start last year.
10:44We saw those mechanical issues. But the arm talent, the speed, the physical traits, all of that is like he is an alien.
10:51He's an absolute freak of nature. And that is going to translate to draft capital when you, especially when you attach it to the name.
10:58So to me, he's about as safe a prospect as you can get when you have the warts because he's going to be insulated on two fronts.
11:05He's got the name. He's got the draft stock and he has the athleticism that even if the arm takes a couple
11:11of years to catch up, which he showed that he can make adjustments in season.
11:15He can learn that second half of the season was much, much better.
11:19And again, that bowl game was it was a really good game from him.
11:23So these are the types of things that looking forward, you really hope he carries that into this year and can boost that draft stock.
11:30But obviously, I'll turn it over to my host here, Dustin.
11:33Hey, you said everything I was about to say, Spencer.
11:36I always go back to that bowl game and it was like he really started to put it on it.
11:41And as for as much shit as I've given Arch Manning and Sarkisian for not properly developing him while he was behind
11:48Quinn Ewers, you really started to see that jump.
11:50And like you said, he's he's insulated on two fronts and it's going to directly translate to your dynasty rosters.
11:56When he gets on there, you want a mobile man and you want a guy, a freak of nature like that.
12:02Like those are some insane speed scores. So that's the stuff that gets us exciting, which is why my next choice, I
12:08think, is a little surprising for some people. Like my guy is Austin Simmons, the transfer quarterback to Mizzou now coming from Ole Miss.
12:14And when you think of Austin Simmons, I don't think you typically think of like this physical athletic freak.
12:20But his mind is a weapon, too. And we've always preached on here.
12:23Those mental traits should be highlighted as much as the physical traits.
12:27And this is a guy that reclassified two classes ahead.
12:30He threw over 94 miles per hour in baseball on his fastball pitch.
12:33And I mean, so he's got the cannon of an arm.
12:36You know that he's smart. And this is a guy that Lane Kiffin last year was all in on.
12:42Like, by all accounts, he was very excited to see him.
12:45And in looking back at the film, Spencer, I don't think that he played terribly.
12:49It's just that when he went down week two, Trinidad obviously came in.
12:52And he showed up and showed up, man. Like he didn't give up his opportunity once he got it.
12:58And I'm not going to fault Austin Simmons too much for that.
13:01That would have been his first year as a starter.
13:04So you expect to see some of those lumps.
13:06But he's going into a really good situation, I think, at Mizzou where they're going to have a decent offensive line.
13:12They're going to have a good running game, especially when Ahmad Hardy comes back in that offense.
13:17And, you know, I don't like the weapons too much.
13:20But I think that he's in a good enough situation where he knows that it's his team, right?
13:25He was named starter almost immediately once he got there to the team, which was really nice to see that the coaching staff has that confidence in him.
13:33And so he's a guy that I think the community after you like it, he's a little bit of a post-hype sleeper,
13:39in my opinion, especially potentially being able to enter the 2027 draft class.
13:42And I think that if he goes out and puts out a decent season, he's going to be one of those names that we start to see rise.
13:50You know, every year we have these guys that rise, seemingly come out of nowhere.
13:54And I think that he's got a good shot as anyone to really elevate that.
13:59Chris, I know that you weren't necessarily as high on Austin Simmons as I was, but go ahead and give me your
14:05thoughts on him as a prospect, potentially entering the 2027 draft.
14:08Yeah, it's almost like you just got to completely rewrite the script, right?
14:12Like it's blank slate at this point. He's transferred.
14:14He got ran out of town by Trinidad. And that's not a knock on him.
14:18Trinidad's been really special. So he's got a new opportunity here in front of him.
14:22He was pretty handily wrapped up the quarterback battle early this offseason.
14:26Matt Zollers is lurking, though. So there is a little bit of pressure.
14:29He's still going to have another decent quarterback kind of lurking behind him.
14:33So if he does have another early injury, you never know.
14:36He might lose the reins once again. But at this point, it's kind of like a fresh start.
14:41He's got a good head coach that knows how to properly develop these quarterbacks.
14:45I think that he's going to make an impact for himself pretty early on and hopefully stick to the game plan here
14:51and play a whole season out as the starter.
14:54But like I said, it's a little nerve wracking.
14:56However, at this point, you can get him pretty cheap in Debbie, right?
15:00There's a lot of opportunity here to just go out and get him, have him as a throw in in a different trade or something like that.
15:07It hasn't been great, but we haven't seen a ton of him either at the NCAA level.
15:12So I think that if he can come out and do things right this year, it's wheels up for him.
15:18He's got an opportunity to shine at this point.
15:20Yeah. And I mean, this is this guy, Austin Simmons.
15:23The reason why we had him on this list is exactly what Dustin said.
15:27I you know, this was one of my picks for the article.
15:30And I literally said the reason why is is that mind.
15:33I mean, this is a guy who started college at 17 years old.
15:37He graduated at 19. I mean, that's I mean, that's absurd.
15:40He finished college in two years and it was with flying colors.
15:43You know, this was an honors level kid who got there.
15:47He also was that two sport athlete. A lot of what I looked for when I was looking for my guys was did they excel at multiple sports?
15:54Because to do that takes a special kind of athlete.
15:57And he actually was able to, as Dustin alluded to, play baseball at the D1 level.
16:02He was a relief pitcher for Ole Miss as well.
16:04Top 95 with the fastball. And it translates to the to the gridiron.
16:08Now, he had nearly 60 mile an hour track to throwing below with the with the football, which I mean, that's near
16:14your top like NFL throwing velocity is almost about 60 miles an hour.
16:18I think Josh Allen is one of the tops with 62 miles an hour.
16:22You know, like in that mid range, we're talking about like this is like my home's level velocity for Austin Simmons.
16:28So whether he can get the touch, start to read the field, make make those types of plays.
16:33That's all sort of how you turn that below into real results.
16:36And that's sort of the next step for him.
16:39But in terms of his freakish athleticism, this is why he makes the list.
16:42And before I we move off of quarterbacks, I just want to pitch the article itself.
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17:41So but with that, one of the other guys on the list was yours, Dustin Reed Harris.
17:46I'm going to let you take this away. Yeah, this is a guy that I was really excited to see on the
17:52list because he's been a guy who's been very interesting to me just because of his his size profile, right?
17:58Six foot five. Dude's a freak out there. And I've always been a little bit historically.
18:02I've been a bit of the sizes when it comes to these wide receivers.
18:06And when I see a guy of that size show a little faster game speed than I would have anticipated, a guy
18:12who's running those in breaking routes, who's stretching out wide, right?
18:15Has his elbows over his head and catching at its highest point.
18:19Like he's doing a lot of real wide receiver stuff that gets me very excited.
18:23And we all know that his environment there at Boston College, where he transferred from, wasn't the best.
18:28And now going to Arizona State, there's real opportunity with Jordan Tyson leaving.
18:31Of course, we got Omarian Miller there who transferred as well.
18:34But anybody that's in this Kenny Dillingham offensive system, I get excited about because I do believe in that system and that
18:41coaching staff to get the best out of these guys.
18:43And he's a guy that I think with Cutter Bowie there now transferring to can really excel in the intermediate level of the field specifically.
18:50And he's going to be able to bail out the quarterback in those contested catch situations.
18:55Just a guy that I'm very, very excited for because of that opportunity.
18:59Now, I'm going to let you, Spencer, highlight some of the freakish natures aside from his height that you highlighted in his article.
19:05Yeah, I mean, and Reed Harris is a guy who we didn't necessarily have a lot available in terms of the athletic measurements.
19:11But as he said, 6'5", 217. What we were able to find is he's projected based off of his track times about
19:18a 445 to a 4540, which for a guy who's 6'5", 217.
19:21I mean, we're talking about, you know, upper 99th percentile size speed score there.
19:25The projected vertical was also north of 36 inches, which doesn't sound like a lot.
19:29But for a guy, again, 6'5", 217, that's a big boy moving like that.
19:33So, you know, he almost has that like high level freakish quality to pair with the size that, you know, if he
19:39was 5'10", 180, we might be like, eh, you know.
19:42But at that size, that's really incredible stuff. And that plays at the next level.
19:46You know, this was one of Tom's guys who he wrote about.
19:49And he mentioned a lot about his deep ball tracking.
19:52You know, the ball's in the air. And BC, you know, I was covering BC a couple years ago.
19:57And we were, you know, obviously they're just near where I live.
20:01They're about an hour from me if I drive my normal speed, probably an hour and a half for us normal folk.
20:07And Reed Harris, like you watch him play. And the ball is coming out of the quarterback's hands.
20:12And it is way off target as it happens at BC.
20:15And he's adjusting to it before he, like, he glances over, sees the ball and starts to adjust, putting his head back
20:21down to get to where the spot is. Comes back up and then comes down with the ball.
20:26And that sort of football intelligence, knowing where the ball is going to land, that gets you excited about a guy like
20:32Reed Harris, how he can translate to the next level.
20:35I mean, you know, we're talking about in 2027, it's obviously a loaded wide receiver class.
20:40So this might be one of the guys that you can target in your third, fourth round who would normally be in your second round.
20:47But it's very Alec Pierce like how he operates, I would say.
20:50Yeah, and hopefully he can develop a little bit more on the route running as we've seen recently out of Alec Pierce
20:56as well, because I want to see a little bit more than him just being a deep threat.
21:01And like you said, I believe in the Kenny, Kenny Dillingham system.
21:05Obviously, he's one of the guys that they brought in to try to replace some of that Jordan Tyson production down there in Arizona State.
21:12But when you look at his career for Bill O'Brien up there at Boston College, 20.4 yards per reception.
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22:04You know, year over year, the yards and touchdowns weren't super high, but 20.4 is a hell of a lot for yards per reception.
22:11So exciting stuff for him moving forward. Another guy who's got a little bit of long speed and something of a deep
22:17threat himself is Mike Matthews, who is the guy that I selected.
22:20I feel like people hate Mike Matthews, and I've been grabbing a ton of him, especially in C2C and CFF this year.
22:26Just because he is like in a best ball type format, he's going to have those big weeks.
22:31He's going to be able to show and prove.
22:34You know, he had a true freshman season that he was kind of behind a whole lot of other guys.
22:39Last year, he was kind of like the third receiver in that Tennessee room.
22:43But he really looked good when he had opportunities to shine.
22:46And now there's going to be a lot more weight on his shoulders here this year.
22:516'1", 198 pounds. His career, he's got 60 receptions, 903 yards, and six touchdowns, which is a 15.1 yards per reception.
22:57And he's got a 1.75 yards per route run.
22:59So he's got some room to evolve, obviously. I don't think he needs to be typecast as strictly a deep threat.
23:05I think that he can improve a little bit more.
23:08He was a top 50 prospect coming out of high school.
23:11And I think a lot of people are forgetting that.
23:14And it's only been two years, man. There's still some room for growth here, especially now.
23:18And this is the year. It's push coming to shove, right?
23:21Because he's going to have a lot more opportunity this year.
23:24The big question mark, and I know that you're going to bring this up, Dustin, is he's going to have a true freshman thrown to him.
23:32So what's that going to translate to? In the SEC, there's not a lot of room for error, right?
23:37So you're not going to get too many shots if the true freshman isn't working out over there.
23:42But I like the opportunity for him to grow a little bit.
23:45I think his ceiling is a bit capped as far as at the NFL level.
23:49He might be more typecast into that flanker type role.
23:52But if he can prove a little bit more, especially in contested catches, I think that's going to go a long way
23:58to making him into a true NFL talent, as opposed to just a guy who can flash occasionally here on the NCAA gridiron.
24:05I would also like to see him work on drops a little bit.
24:08And I've softened my take on drops over the years.
24:11But he still drops the ball way too often, especially when you're getting the ball to him deep downfield.
24:17You want to make those things stick. You don't want them to be the splash plays that turn into nothing.
24:22Yeah. Yeah. Chris, I love how well you know me, that that's the first thing that I was going to talk about
24:28was the incoming freshman quarterback throw into him, right?
24:31The good news is the Tennessee system isn't that complicated for these quarterbacks.
24:34I think that they do a good job of making it easy for these guys to see the field.
24:40And I won't get into the weeds and all of that, but this guy is absolutely an athletic freak.
24:45And I've been a little higher on Mike Matthews than probably some because I remember seeing him in basketball, man.
24:51This dude was dunking as like an eighth grader when he was five foot nine.
24:55Kid is an amazing athlete and he can get up there.
24:58And Spencer, you can help me confirm this, but I believe if memory serves me correct, he had a verified laser 40
25:04time of like four, four, four, eight, something along those lines.
25:07I know you guys highlighted it in the article and unfortunately I'm not able to show it on my screen.
25:13So you can help me verify that, but dude's absolutely an athletic freak alien out there.
25:17So I get pretty excited about him. So why don't you go ahead and tell me why you guys were excited about him?
25:24Yeah, this was one of my picks for the article as well.
25:27And you're exactly right. I was really excited to highlight him.
25:30The basketball background, his father actually played semi-professional overseas and he himself was recruited to play D1 for all of those abilities.
25:36He obviously ended up going the football route, but that might've been why he needed to, you know, he just barely missed year one zero.
25:43I think it was like by six yards. He missed that year one zero, which, you know, some of that comes down to the Tennessee system.
25:50They just have a plethora of options and they run out some weird stuff.
25:54But I think also translating from being a true two sports star, somebody who was specialized in both and recruited to play
26:00both kind of made him walk a little bit closer to needing to get polished when he moved into the college space.
26:07But that 40 time you're talking about is actually a hand time 4.4 flat.
26:11So that was coming out as a recruit. He had that time.
26:14So, I mean, we're talking about like, if you look at the a hundred meter, it's nothing special.
26:19But if you look at the 40 time that was actually timed by multiple scouts, 4.4 flat was the consistent reading across the board.
26:26Some were slower, some were higher, but that was sort of your, your midline.
26:30So we'll take that as close to fact. And then he also had a 5.10 high jump, which that, I mean, that shows he's got hops.
26:37But yeah, as you said, that deep ball tracking is special.
26:40The drops he does need to work on. I did, I did a deep dive on him as well, where a lot
26:46of that came down to concentration and he did struggle with contact.
26:49So that, that's the kind of stuff that he needs to clean up going into year three now is getting that physicality
26:56up, like all around, I think both mental with the physicality and literal physical with the physicality.
27:00But this is a, you know, he's a, he's a great guy, but this, this sort of ends our wide receiver segment.
27:06And I'm going to do this one. I chose just for my boy, Chris here.
27:11We got Penn state's newest running back, Carson Hanson coming over from Iowa state is so many of those Penn state players.
27:17Now we're from following their coach over there. We call it Iowa state 2.0, but Carson Hanson is, you know, the reason
27:23why he made this list and I'll let you guys talk ball.
27:26I'll bring the numbers here because I don't think we think of him as this freak athlete.
27:31I, you know, we see Carson Hanson. We think of him as he's a big, big running back.
27:36He's solid, you know, but he's fine. But if you look at the actual like verified numbers on him, which there are plenty, he's six to 220 pounds.
27:44So we're right off the bat. He's a big kid.
27:47I mean, he was actually an athlete coming out as a recruit playing both sides.
27:51And there was talk about whether he would be a linebacker or running back.
27:55He obviously went the running back route, but in that recruiting process, we got a 4.45 verified 40 time.
28:00So that was laser timed verified speed, 37 and a half inch vertical, a 4.09 shuttle.
28:05And that was the most impressive number to me because that's one of those ones that translates really well to the lateral agility on the field.
28:12But also that gets us to, if you love Math Bomb and his RAS scores, a 9.98.
28:17So that's a upper one percentile athlete. Like we're talking about an elite athlete at the highest level going into that Penn State backfield.
28:23So Chris, I'm going to toss this over to you.
28:26Tell me if you're excited about him and what you've seen about him.
28:30Yeah, I'm certainly excited. I mean, he's a fun guy to watch.
28:33You know, he was able to kind of hold off Abu Sama, who's another guy that I'm kind of high on, who ended up transferring to Wisconsin.
28:41But, you know, he kind of took the lead role there in Iowa State the last couple of years.
28:46We highlighted them last year before the Farmageddon game.
28:48So about a year ago, we were talking about him and he's just a nice thumper.
28:53I'd like to see a little bit more out of him in the receiving game.
28:57He doesn't do terrible in the receiving game, but they don't give him a lot of opportunities.
29:02And I'm not really sure that they're going to continue to do that.
29:06Obviously, it's the same coaching staff that he had over at Iowa State.
29:09It's now with him here at Penn State. And they also made a point to go out and get James Peoples and retain Quentin Mitchell as well.
29:17So there's going to be a little bit of a three-headed monster, I think, back there.
29:21But I fully expect Carson Hansen to be the lead dog and to be the guy who's getting the most touchdowns and the most opportunity in general.
29:29So we love the running game. It's a new staff, but we love the running game at Penn State.
29:34And as soon as he gets going and gets some of those touchdowns, he's going to make that crowd go wild.
29:40And it's going to be fun to watch, man.
29:42I think he's going to be a great fit there.
29:45It's just more about how much of the opportunity is he going to be able to carve out?
29:50Can he hold off some of these other guys?
29:53They're going to want to keep him fresh. So there's going to be a cap to how much of the share they're giving him.
29:59But if he's getting going, they're not going to let him get off the field.
30:04So I'm excited for him. We can move on, Chris.
30:06Let's go ahead to Chris Johnson Jr., who's the running back that you wanted to highlight.
30:11And he's another guy that I don't really have too much info on.
30:15But you hear that name and you just think speed.
30:17Of course, even though he's not actually Chris Johnson's son, CJ2K, you hear the name and it's ringing bells in your head, right?
30:24What I'm excited about with him, he hasn't really had a ton of opportunity, even at SMU.
30:29He's only had 67 rushes last year for 479 yards and five touchdowns.
30:32But he was able to do a lot with those.
30:35So out of those 67 rushes, he had 14 missed tackles for us, which is pretty impressive.
30:40And his breakaway percentage was 57.4. So that's exciting stuff.
30:42And that's the reason why Clemson has tabbed him to come in to the backfield, where we had expectations on some guys
30:49like Gideon last year, and they didn't really pan out.
30:51They could certainly use a guy to solidify that running back room in Clemson.
30:55And I think he's got a good shot to carve out a nice rule there as well.
31:00Much like I just talked about at Penn State, a lot of these schools now and even the NFL, they're using some type of rotational system.
31:07It's rare that we see a true workhorse. So it'll be really more about how much of this offense can he carve out for himself.
31:14But he's decent in the receiving game as well.
31:17He had 17 receptions for 180 yards and a touchdown last year.
31:20So how creative can Dabo get with him? And how are they going to use him?
31:25I'm excited to see him. But some of those metrics are really standing out for me.
31:29And obviously, Clemson had a really down year last year.
31:32So hopefully he could come in. And there's a reason that they shored up backfield with this guy, even with his limited attempts at SMU last year.
31:39Yeah. And this was a guy, obviously, his father was actually a wide receiver at Oregon State.
31:44So not to be confused, a different Chris Johnson.
31:47But his father was incredibly fast and well thought of as a receiver while he was at Oregon State.
31:52But the speed does remind you of Chris Johnson Sr., who, well, not senior, I guess, Chris Johnson, the CJ2K there.
31:58You know, because we were talking about that speed background with Chris Johnson here.
32:02It was a 10-4-5 100 meter time, which is blazing in high school.
32:05I mean, that's elite speed. It translates to, you know, roughly like a 4-3 to 4-3-5 when you're talking about combine time.
32:12When on the field, though, when the pads are on, a little extra weight, he also had a verified 22.3 mile an
32:18hour in-game speed, which was the second fastest recorded time in all of college football last year.
32:23So, I mean, that speed is elite. You know, he's got a lot to work on.
32:27You kind of hope he can break into the Clemson room.
32:30There's a reason he's been transferring from place to place to place.
32:33He's got some fine technical elements of the game he has to work on.
32:37Of patience, reading defenses, power, all of that needs to work.
32:40But speed is something you can't teach. And it just plays.
32:43Dustin, I know you said you didn't have a ton on this guy, but if you have any thoughts here on him, I'll give you the floor here.
32:51Yeah, I'm just thinking about the room. And I know that he's a guy that came in with a lot of work.
32:57I know that Dabo Sweeney publicly challenged him, I believe, at the start of spring, saying, like, I need to see more
33:04from him in this, this, and that. And you have a guy like Gideon Davidson, who I wasn't the highest on, but
33:10I think that he's a good enough back. And he has these guys that he has to get over.
33:15So he's a guy that I'm a little concerned with his Debbie value as far as, like, making it to the NFL
33:21and what his potential draft cap could look like.
33:24But like you said, you can't teach speed. And if he is able to put those things together, you know, there's a chance there.
33:30And that speed aspect is always very tantalizing. And these coaching staffs always want to find the best way to utilize that.
33:37So he's someone I'm going to go back and watch just because I'm curious.
33:40Like, like, I'll admit when, when I first heard the name going back to last season, I thought I just assumed it
33:47was Chris Johnson's son, the CJ2K, which by the way, we've heard about his battle with ALS and we are wishing him all the best.
33:54And if you would like to donate to that cause as well, that's another fine charity for you to invest in.
33:59But moving along here, the guy that I chose for the tight end position, which is a position that we don't highlight
34:06very often in Debbie, just because of how murky the position is.
34:09Right. We've talked about it a lot, but I did promise you the listener that we would talk about some of these guys.
34:15And the 2027 class has two very, very exciting prospects.
34:18And first one I wanted to highlight tonight was trade as green.
34:22And we've talked about a lot about some big guys out there.
34:25This dude is six foot seven. And he's, he's got that lean muscle look.
34:29Like he looks like this slender yet yoked up wide receiver out there.
34:32And you've really seen him utilized like that as this, this weapon out there that you could put out in the slot.
34:39And we've talked to ad nauseum too, about wide receivers that are running from the slot.
34:43That's a fantasy gold mine. And look last year, although like the, the total numbers in terms of like receiving yardage weren't
34:49the best, I believe he had 430 some yards, but he had seven touchdowns because that's where he's truly a weapon.
34:55That's truly where he can elevate and show that alien nature at six foot seven, you know, on the fade routes in
35:01the corner of the end zone, dude just excels.
35:04He goes up there and the poor defenders never even have a chance just because of the size and his ability to
35:10climb that proverbial ladder and attack the ball at its highest point.
35:13You really see it and get his feet down, getting two feet down pretty consistently, which I love to see.
35:19But Spencer, you highlighted that you like to look at these dual sport athletes and that's what this dude was doing on the hardwood, right?
35:2627 points and 11 rebounds. He averaged as a junior in high school.
35:29And he also played for the LSU basketball team there too.
35:33And look, there's plenty of highlights out there of him doing a dunk out there for LSU, man.
35:38This dude is just so much fun to watch.
35:40And I know as a USC fan, when Lane Kiffin was our head coach, he was looking for a mismatched tight end like this.
35:47Going back to when he recruited Michael Trigg, I think that that was always the vision that he had was somebody that
35:53he could really utilize, move around the formation and really attack in the red zone.
35:57So I love this pairing with a guy like Sam Levitt that's going to say F it and just kind of chuck it up for him.
36:04But I'm ready to see LSU make some magic.
36:07So he's a guy that I'm very, very excited about.
36:10And I think that this year we could really, really see everything just work together for him.
36:14Yeah, without a doubt, I think that he's basically a lock to be a first round guy, right?
36:20He's going to be the first tight end taken off the board next year, I believe.
36:24And spoiler alert, we're going to be talking about Jamari Johnson next, who I think might have the higher ceiling as a fantasy asset.
36:31But trade as does everything well, he's a better blocker than Johnson.
36:34You know, you mentioned it, Dustin, he's basically a slot guy when he's not lining up in line.
36:39But he he run blocks well, he pass blocks well, and he's that lovely, lovely red zone threat with that big frame.
36:45So I'm excited to see what happens for him this year, especially.
36:49But I'm sure he's going to go extremely high.
36:51He should be a lock for the first round.
36:54Yeah. And he he was one. I mean, like this is one of those no brainers to put on the list at six, seven to 40.
37:01He's got over an 80 inch wingspan, which puts them right up at the top of the list of all time tight end measurements.
37:08He leaps out of like he did everything. I mean, everything.
37:11There's nothing that he doesn't do well from an athletic standpoint, except maybe lateral movement.
37:15But at six, seven to 40, that's sort of what you expect.
37:18He moves really well for that size. The I do.
37:21I think the biggest thing with him going into this year is can he stay healthy for a whole season?
37:27He's had a little bit of struggles with that.
37:29It was a knee injury last year. But I mean, this is a guy who comps really well to Kyle Pitts, another
37:35guy who had a knee injury, I think staying off the hardwood, he's fully dedicated to football now.
37:40Maybe he can put on some of that good muscle that'll help him stay healthy for sure.
37:45You know, the LSU released those photos of the team, like their gains pictures, which all the teams have been doing.
37:51And he looks like he's put on at least 10 pounds of good muscle.
37:55So I think that's going to help him in that blocking game.
37:58He really took a step up last year in that department.
38:01It'll help him stay healthy. And ultimately, it'll help him in pretty much all of those contested situations where he excels in, which is going to be great.
38:09You know, I definitely see big things for him this year.
38:12And he's definitely a lock for the first round.
38:15But as Chris mentioned, Jamari Johnson, the other guy on this list, is equally imposing, if not more so.
38:20He's 6'5", 256 pounds, which is just insane. I mean, that's not normal.
38:24And, you know, we saw a lot of him last year, actually, like a surprising amount, given that all the talk with
38:30the town was on another alien in Kenyan Sadiq.
38:32But Johnson just wins in a different way. He's incredibly long.
38:35Another guy over 80-inch wingspan, actually 82 inches, which if that holds up come combine time, would be the second highest wingspan measurement of all time.
38:43His hands are also projected to be around 11 inches.
38:45There was some variance in the measurements when we were finding them between about 10.5 and 11 inches.
38:50But either way, I mean, those are some myths.
38:53And that's sort of how he wins. He is he's a hulking guy who moves surprisingly quick and uses that size to leverage to create space.
39:00And that like we've we've donned him the kaiju of Eugene because he just looks like Godzilla.
39:05Like it's and Oregon, to be clear, had more players on this list than any other team.
39:10And I didn't want to do that because SC, you know, our good friend here is a huge Oregon fan.
39:15And I did not want to gas him up any more than he already is.
39:19But they just they have something in the water there.
39:22But Chris, I know you mentioned I know you mentioned this guy.
39:26So I'll bounce it back to you on this one.
39:28And then and then we can have Dustin close us out.
39:31But Chris, absolutely. Yeah, you know, as you said, he's a specimen.
39:35But what stands out to me is his yards per route run 2.45, which is stellar.
39:39That was fourth in college last year, right behind now Eagle Eli Stowers.
39:43So this is a guy who, as I mentioned, has potentially the highest receiving upside for any of these tight ends coming out next year.
39:50There's a reason he transferred to Oregon, even though he knew he was going to be behind Kenyon Sadiq for a year.
39:56They still got him involved a decent bit last year.
39:59And now he's going to be the go to guy in the red zone.
40:03So I'm very excited to see what happens with him this year, because it's definitely wheels up.
40:08This is why he ended up at Oregon. They do have a lot of freaks in that offense.
40:13And Dan Lanning is a guy who obviously has produced insane offenses recently.
40:16So I'm expecting that Jamari is going to be a key piece of that.
40:20And he also has a good shot to end up as a first round talent if he could really put it all together this year.
40:27I don't think it's that hot of a take that when him and Kenyon Sadiq were on the field last year, he was actually the better tight end.
40:35And clearly Oregon believed in the talent. Like to your point, Spencer, he logged over 600 snaps last season, you know, as
40:41the second tight end in that room. They were able to move around and use him as a weapon.
40:46He, excuse me, sorry. His new offensive coordinator is Drew Merringer, who actually was the positional tight end coach there for Oregon too.
40:53So that's a little nugget that I found that had me really excited about him.
40:57And just the way that Merringer has been talking him up saying like, he's been ready.
41:01Like he was probably a little under recruited there for Louisville.
41:05Obviously he got a chance to be the starter, had the injury, and then he transferred.
41:09But just what he's been able to do on the field with, with a first round talent at tight end playing alongside
41:15him has me very, very excited for his, his draft future there.
41:19He's, he's a guy that a few months ago I was highlighting as a sleeper and he's not a sleeper anymore.
41:24Everybody knows about Jamari Johnson. I'm not even really sure how he was a sleeper at some point, because again, if you
41:31just watch the games, like it was pretty evident that his talent was there, but fellas, we, we made it.
41:36Be sure to tune in with us next week.
41:39Like Chris said, we are going to have Mr.
41:41Will Stone, the founder of Blue Chip joining us.
41:44We're going to be breaking down one of our listener leagues that we did entirely on Blue Chip.
41:49In fact, this was the very first Debbie league that was on Blue Chip.
41:53So we were, we were very excited to do that.
41:55And we were more than excited to get him on.
41:58We've been trying to get him on the show for a while, but we're going to do that.
42:03And then me and Tommy are also going to have Mr.
42:06Eric Proton on the show. We're going to do a midweek recording and I will put it out after that.
42:12So we got, we got some bangers coming for you guys.
42:15So I can't think of a better way to celebrate the beginning of this merger of this partnership than with all the stuff that we have coming.
42:23And of course we got plenty more planned coming too.
42:25We're building up that film room, right? Spencer, we're going to be working on that.
42:30We got some tools coming in. Of course the guys are always killing it with the articles.
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