0:00Big show for you here today. Zane Dahani of Fantasy Points has been grinding the news.
0:05I'm telling you, this guy has been consuming more NFL news than you possibly could have imagined over the last couple of months.
0:13And that is why he joins the show today to let you know 12 storylines.
0:18He has been tracking the drum beats from OTAs into mini camps as we get into training camp here.
0:24The 12 storylines you need to be paying attention to.
0:27We talk Jags backfield. We talk Bucks backfield. We talk offensive ecosystems in flux in Green Bay, Philadelphia.
0:33And much more. All that and more come up on today's show.
0:37Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
0:41Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast. And it is a hell of a day to talk ball.
0:46And joining me to do just that is a first time guest here on the program.
0:51Somebody I've been very excited to have on the show because he is a young man who has been as deep as
0:59anyone could possibly be into the NFL news the last couple of months here, I would say.
1:04That is Zane Dahani of Fantasy Points. Zane, what's going on, buddy?
1:08What's going on, man? This was something I was super excited to do, man.
1:13There's been so much news out there. And then you're a film guy.
1:17I feel like I've been a little bit of a film guy, too.
1:21And then adding the analytics on top of that.
1:24That's why I was really excited about this conversation, because all the information that we hear coming out of like OTAs and
1:31what teams want to do, all the offensive coordinator changes, role changes for receivers, running backs.
1:36I just feel like there's the application of what that may actually end up looking like.
1:42And your perspective is something that I just have always valued so much, especially when it comes to the receiver stuff that
1:49you have done with Reception Perception and then here on Yahoo as well.
1:53So I'm excited. I think this is going to be an awesome show for us to talk through all those role changes and offensive dynamics.
2:01Well, you're far too kind and I appreciate it, but I shouldn't box you in.
2:06You're right. It's just as a news guy. And I'm not going to do that here because you're a great analyst in your own right.
2:14You had a really great piece up recently about like route depth and how we kind of think about that.
2:21And we might reference that at some points during the show about how it's actually the shorter routes that can be better
2:28for you in fantasy football than some of the deeper, like longer breaking ones.
2:33It doesn't actually increase your ceiling as much as people think like, oh, these deep threats, you have this higher ceiling.
2:40Not so much, which I think is a great article that people should check out on Fantasy Points.
2:46So, yeah, Zane is not just deep into the weeds with the news.
2:50He's also grinding the film. He's grinding the stats.
2:53And that's why I think this is going to be a great show.
2:57What we're going to do today is look at the 12 biggest fantasy storylines and questions that Zane thinks you guys need
3:04to be paying attention to as we're moving from OTAs and minicamps into training camp.
3:09And Zane, the point and thesis of the show here is that and we were joking about this before we got going here in the green room.
3:18We were joking about the fact that I've said on the show the last month or so that, oh, well, whatever.
3:25Listen, a lot of stuff happens in June. Most of it doesn't matter.
3:29And I may or may not have been saying that because I was on vacation drinking wine in Portugal and not hosting the fantasy football show.
3:38That was Justin Boone. Shout out to him for holding it down for me.
3:42But we both know that's actually not true. Like sometimes there are things that happen in June that it's the little drum
3:49beats that you want to track into training camp.
3:52So that's what we're going to try to do today for the people.
3:57We're going to get these 12 storylines that you're tracking the drum beats from early in the offseason and what they're developing
4:04into here as training camps are opening up as we speak.
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4:46But let's waste no more time. Let's get into it, Zane.
4:49Our first storyline in the first segment here, we're going to talk mostly overall ecosystems.
4:54We're starting in Philadelphia. What is the first storyline that you think people should be tracking here in training camp?
5:01Yeah, this is roughly a completely new offensive system that they're going to be running here in Philadelphia.
5:07So we're talking about going under center for a guy like Jalen Hurts.
5:11We're talking about doing a lot more play action, attacking the middle of the field.
5:16Things that you don't necessarily see when you watch the film from the Eagles in the history with Jalen Hurts.
5:22And then on top of that, they're talking about how they're going to shift their offensive system to more of a wide
5:29zone offensive attack from a rushing perspective. There's just a lot of nuance there.
5:34And then you talk about the faces that have left, too.
5:38We're talking about A.J. Brown. A.J. Brown's no longer on the team.
5:42Then they've brought in Dontavian Wicks. They have Makai Lemon, who they added to the team.
5:47So there's just a lot more nuance to this team here in the offseason that I think is something that we need
5:54to pay attention to and figure out, hey, what's going to end up transpiring?
5:59There's different coaches in here. There's a new system.
6:01Are they going to run more 12 personnel? And really, is Makai Lemon even able to play and operate in a two-wide receiver look?
6:09So I keep thinking about what this offensive system is going to look like and who's going to benefit from those situations
6:17and whether Jalen Hurts can actually operate in that kind of system where he's under center, doing play action, forced to throw
6:24over the middle of the field, stuff that we haven't seen from him before.
6:28I was curious, your take, actually, especially on the Makai Lemon component where it's like, can he actually operate as an outside receiver?
6:36Or does he need to be in a unique situation, kind of more like a Z, where he plays off the line
6:43a little bit, they get him in motion so that he doesn't have to get jammed at the line of scrimmage, things like that.
6:51And then, like, how does that fit with the stuff that Jalen Hurts does?
6:55I don't actually think it's a perfect fit necessarily, but I was curious, your take.
7:00Yeah, and you're right. This is a massive overhaul that Philadelphia is undergoing here, and I think it has been a little bit under-discussed.
7:08Probably, actually, I would say from a real NFL perspective, it's probably been very well discussed that this is going to be a big transition for Jalen Hurts.
7:17But I think from a fantasy standpoint, even if you just look at the ADPs, most people are pretty convinced that it's going to work out.
7:26So it's good to examine this idea here, and especially as it comes to Makai Lemon.
7:31And Boone and I were talking about him on the show we did earlier this week.
7:36And, I mean, I think if he hits the ground running, there's a chance that he could actually outscore Devontae Smith this year.
7:44I'm not going to project it that way because I'm really into Devontae Smith.
7:48I think it's only, as we said earlier this week, it's only probably to me, like, if we sim the season 10
7:56times, it probably only happens two out of the 10 times.
7:59But that's not zero times. And I think one of the reasons I'm really excited about Wicks and Lemon kind of working
8:06in tandem together as sort of what I would imagine is the Z receiver to start the year, and then, you know,
8:14Makai Lemon, when they get into 11 personnel, he'll be the slot.
8:18I think this offense, Zane, you know, watching the Green Bay Packers the last couple years, I think that's what this offense is going to look like.
8:26They're really good at working these outbreaking routes off play action, which especially to, like, the Z and slot receiver, you think
8:34about a lot of sale concepts there. That, to me, does really overlap with, one, what Jalen Hurst does well, and two,
8:41what Makai Lemon can do from, I think, both the Z receiver position and certainly from the slot.
8:47Like, some of these bigger outbreaking routes where you're getting explosive plays.
8:51So, I think there are ways in the passing game it can end up working out.
8:56I actually think for me, and I'm curious your opinion on this, the guy I've had the toughest time figuring out in this offense is actually Saquon Barkley.
9:05And that might sound stupid because, like, Saquon Barkley, great running back, whatever, but it is a big overhaul from a run game perspective, too.
9:13I don't know what you thought about Barkley as an individual talent last year, just when you've watched him and everything.
9:20But, you know, Jeff Stoutland moving on as the offensive line slash run game coordinator can't be overstated here as well.
9:27So, Barkley, to me, has been a tough guy to rank in fantasy this year.
9:32Where do you stand on Barkley and just him from a fantasy standpoint?
9:36Yeah, the interesting thing with the offensive line, too, is that everybody's learning a completely new scheme.
9:42And sometimes I feel like we may underrate that, what that means for people, especially guys like Elaine Johnson, who's been around for a long time, right?
9:50Like, now we're being asked to do a zone blocking scheme, and that's not something that these guys have necessarily had as much experience doing.
9:59And then you're talking about the same thing for Saquon Barkley.
10:02Zone blocking versus man gap scheme type of runs are completely different.
10:06We're talking about there's a designed hole from a man gap perspective versus a zone blocking scheme where you need to be
10:13able to sift out where the blockers are and figure out your own cutback lanes and different things that really, truly, like,
10:21challenge you from a vision perspective and make sure that you have, like, the true, like, running back, like, I don't know,
10:28I want to say, like, qualities that allow you to say, hey, I see this big hole.
10:33I'm going to make the cutback, and I'm going to turn that into a big play.
10:39There's more onus on the running back themselves in that situation.
10:42And Barkley talked about how he, I think he talked to Todd Gurley about this, actually, because he was talking about how
10:49this is more similar to what the Rams were doing when Todd Gurley was there.
10:54And he was trying to get, like, feedback and takes on, like, how am I going to, like, operate in this situation?
11:01You know, some people would say, hey, that's great that you're reaching out for feedback.
11:06But the other part of me thinks, like, is it really that nuance to Saquon Barkley that he really needs to talk
11:14to somebody else and, like, figure out how to operate in this scheme?
11:18So I'm a little bit worried. And then the Stoutland thing, like you said, is not something that I think people are properly baking in.
11:26The offensive line had so many injuries last year, but now we get maybe a healthy offensive line.
11:32There's still a lot of guys that are old, so you could see them still get injured.
11:37But then on top of that, we're talking about a new offensive line coach who may or may not resonate with the rest of the team.
11:46There's been good feedback, but players have good feedback for coaches all the time.
11:50You know, that's something that we hear in the offseason.
11:54That's June. Like, that's a June headline. Like, players like the coaches.
11:58Yeah, of course they like them in June. Let's get into training camp and let's get a couple losses on the season
12:05and kind of see what happens there. So, yeah, no, I think this is one.
12:10In some ways, Zane, I don't want to overthink it because Barkley's a really good player.
12:15I think even still is a really good player.
12:18They have at least, you know, Landon Dickerson's healthy now.
12:21Lane Johnson's healthy right now. Jordan Mailata. Like, that's three of the best offensive linemen in the NFL, period.
12:27Like, even outside of position and everything, that's three of the best offensive linemen in the NFL.
12:33So, I don't want to overthink this too much.
12:36And yet, a big part of, like, round two in fantasy this year is breaking ties.
12:41And I just look at, you know, Saquon Barkley versus, like, Derrick Henry.
12:45Saquon Barkley versus Kenneth Walker. And, you know, some of the things you mentioned there about him fitting into his own running scheme.
12:53And Barkley's always been a great player, but he's always been a little bit of a home run hitter, right?
13:00Like, he's typically been a guy that, well, he'll give you some strikeouts, but he's going to grand slam and home run some of these runs.
13:08So, when you're looking at him in the second round versus any of those running backs and even some of the really
13:15good receiver picks, I mean, George Pickens, Tee Higgins, I mean, certainly Drake Lund and everything.
13:20Where do you, like, is there a teardrop between some of these guys and him, or is he still kind of solidly in your second round range?
13:29He's still in the second round range, but it's one of those things where it's like, okay, who am I actually comparing him to 1v1?
13:37And are there guys that have pass-catching upside that could, like, somewhat, quote-unquote, break fantasy in some ways?
13:43So, a guy that's really close to him in ADP is James Cook.
13:48And some of the news, and we're going to talk about him later, but James Cook is an interesting guy as well
13:55because of some of the things that they may do with him this season.
13:59I prefer a James Cook over him. Then Kenneth Walker.
14:03We're talking about a situation with Andy Reid offenses where historically, before Isaiah Pacheco, they used to print money at the running back position.
14:10Damian Williams had value. LaShawn McCoy, Jamal Charles. I mean, those are some, you know, obviously elite names and things like that too.
14:18But I think Kenneth Walker is a very talented running back.
14:22He just needs to be in more of a featured role.
14:25So, you can make the argument that a guy like Kenneth Walker, James Cook, those types of guys maybe should go above
14:32Saquon Barkley because they have a higher ceiling. But then again, Matt, a lot of times you have to sit here and
14:40think about it and say, you know what, this guy has that production that I just, I know from a week-to-week perspective,
14:47this offense is going to lean on the run and they have the offensive line.
14:52You just got to take him. So, I'm not trying to play both sides, but it's like, it depends on what you're looking for.
15:00If you are looking for like a floor play, and especially you don't want to lose a draft, like this would be
15:07an easy kind of pick to say, hey, I'm not going to lose the draft if I take Saquon Barkley.
15:13Well, I think we're talking about a staff mock draft that we did here at Yahoo.
15:19We did it yesterday. I think we're talking about it on the show probably sometime next week, although I'm not sure off the top of my head.
15:27But I think it's really easy to get behind at running back if you don't look at some of these guys in
15:35the second round and you kind of look at some of these receivers.
15:39So, I definitely think after that exercise, I'm probably actually bumping Barkley up my overall ranks, even if, yeah, there are some
15:46running backs that I'm considering over him. But, yeah, bottom line, when we're talking about drum beats to track, this is one
15:53of the offense, one of the offenses, like, I can't wait to see what you uncover from a news perspective about them in training camp.
16:01Because right now they're doing the fun thing where Nick Sirianni's comparing Don Tavian Wicks to Keenan Allen.
16:07And like we're saying, they're getting all excited and everything.
16:11But I would love to see, like, what are the reports about how Jalen Hurts looks in the passing game?
16:17What does the run game look like as it's coming together?
16:21This is going to be one of the more interesting ones to track.
16:25So is the next team that we're going to talk about here.
16:29We're going from a team that is installing a Packers-style offense to the Green Bay Packers themselves.
16:34What are you looking at from the Packers offense, what you've seen so far in June and obviously as we get into training camp here?
16:43So this one's interesting because I feel like I've listened to you on this topic before where they say, hey, the Packers
16:50are a team that typically likes to rotate receivers.
16:53They don't give anybody more than, like, a 75% route share.
16:56I think last year was, like, one of the first times, I think Christian Watson, when he played.
17:02And that might have been out of necessity. They had some injuries and different things like that going on.
17:08But all of the reports out of camp are, hey, we're ripping this offense down to the studs.
17:14What we want to do, we kind of cleared the runway for a guy like Matthew Golden.
17:20We got rid of Dontavian Wicks. We let Romeo Dubs leave.
17:23We didn't really add any depth. Obviously, we have Savion Williams as our wide receiver for who we drafted.
17:30But he's still kind of like a project type of player, too.
17:34Someone that profiles more as, like, almost in a Jaden Reed-esque type of situation.
17:38And so now we're saying, like, hey, we want to do a more 11 personnel, play with tempo.
17:44We might want to lean on Jordan Love some more in terms of passing the ball, take some pressure off of Josh Jacobs.
17:52He's getting older. I think that this is a really interesting situation with the pass-catching group because they drafted Matthew Golden in the first round.
18:00Jaden Reed just got a big contract. Christian Watson just got a big contract.
18:04And every single person in the fantasy world, there's just such varying opinions on Christian Watson on whether he's just, like, this,
18:12like, explosive play merchant or if he can actually fit into an offense and do some of the little things as well.
18:19Jaden Reed, obviously, being more of a, you know, historically, sometimes I've seen a little bit more like Mickey Mouse stuff that's still one of your words.
18:28But I actually think he's got, like, some, you know, wide receiver chops too where he can run some of the normal routes and stuff too.
18:36He worked a little bit deeper last year too when I was reviewing the film.
18:41And then Matthew Golden, just a mixed bag. You know, his rookie year was not something that I think from a statistical standpoint, anybody really, really liked.
18:50But there were times on film for me when I watched it, he was open.
18:55And Jordan Love missed him. And that happened too many times, in my opinion.
18:59So I kind of compare the Matthew Golden situation sometimes to what we saw from Quinton Johnston as a rookie, where it's
19:07like, maybe this wasn't necessarily the right, exact right role for him.
19:10But, and then everybody kind of, like, turns their back on a player.
19:15What I want to say is, like, receivers don't all grow at the same time.
19:20You know? Sometimes it takes some players to marinate.
19:23And you know that better than anybody else. In year two, what if he adds some extra tricks to his bag?
19:29They're going to give him the reps this season.
19:32I think, like, at his price, it's one of those things where it's pretty much baked in that everybody thinks that he's
19:40not, like, that good of a player. So I just think, like, there's immense upside for him right now.
19:46Even though I'm not, I was never really sold on him as a prospect, but he's just going so late in drafts
19:53where I'm like, it's worth, it's worth, like, taking a dart throw on him.
19:58I'm curious your thoughts on that. Right, because, like, if he's bad, who cares where he's going right now?
20:04Especially in, like, traditional redraft leagues, he might be one of the first guys you drop if it doesn't work out.
20:11But to your point, like, he's going to be on the field.
20:15He is going to get every opportunity to be this guy.
20:18And he might even be, like, the number two receiver in routes over Jaden Reed.
20:23I think that would be a mistake because I think Reed is a really dynamic player and I'd like to see Reed
20:30do more than just the, to your point, Mickey Mouse slot receiver stuff.
20:35I agree with you. Even in 2024, Zane, like, he was running these big in-breaking routes and big corner routes.
20:41I mentioned earlier about how I think Makai Lemon could fit into kind of that, like, on the sale concepts, the big outbreakers and corners.
20:49Jaden Reed, he can do that stuff as well.
20:52So I would like to see more of Reed this year, but I think Golden would have to absolutely flop in camp
20:59to probably get unseated as the second outside receiver.
21:02And one thing I think is interesting to watch with Golden, I think he was overall mixed as a rookie.
21:09I mean, even, like, using the Quentin Johnson example, he was much better on film than Quentin Johnston was, but he wasn't,
21:16like, so much better that I would go to the mat and be like, yeah, no, like, Matthew Golden was really, you
21:23know, he was much better than you guys think.
21:26I think he was just, like, he was fine as a rookie overall.
21:30I don't have a strong take on him. But, yeah, adequate's a great way of saying it.
21:36It's one of those receiver seasons, especially in reception perception, where I look at it and say, like, yeah, I think this could kind of go either way.
21:45Like, he could just level off as, like, an adequate, useful player, or maybe there's a step in year two.
21:52I would be open to that one way or the other.
21:55And again, where he's going in drafts right now, take the shot, because if it doesn't work out, who cares?
22:02His impact on Christian Watson, I think, is interesting, because I was on Beyond the Box score with Jacob Gibbs recently, and
22:09he noted this stat, and I dug into it further.
22:12Christian Watson averages 2.67 yards per route run when Romeo Dobbs is on the field last year.
22:18That drops to 2.19 when Dobbs is off the field, which is still good, but it is a slight drop.
22:24More interesting, though, he has targeted Christian Watson on 25% of his routes when Dobbs is on the field, drops down to
22:3217% when Dobbs is off the field. And this is a little bit correlation causation here, Zane, but if I can give
22:39my theory on it, I think it's because Watson is at his best when he's not the stationary player, when he's on
22:46the move, he's the Z, he's off ball, and Dobbs is kind of that X receiver that just, you know, is a little bit of a sacrificial player.
22:55I'm wondering which role Watson fits into this year, because if you just look body type-wise, right, and this is where I'll
23:02be fascinated to track this through training camp, Watson, it looks like the X receiver compared to Reed and Golden for sure,
23:10but I don't know that that's the best use of him, and I actually kind of think like Golden could maybe end
23:17up being a little bit of that sacrificial player because he has some decent release moves against press.
23:23I would say that might have been the best thing he did last year.
23:27So those two guys, who's more the X and who's more the Z, I think that's actually quietly the key to figuring out both of their upside cases.
23:36Yeah, and we haven't heard anything on that either.
23:39One thing I did note from using some of like the charted data from Fantasy Points was that Matthew Golden and Christian
23:47Watson, they were only on the field for like 50, 52 routes or something like that last season.
23:52And so there wasn't, there's not enough, like that's not a big enough sample size to truly determine like what is the
24:00different role when both are on the field. And then even if you add in like when was Jaden Reed on the
24:07field with them, it gets even smaller, right? So you don't have a good enough sample size.
24:12Yeah, you don't have a good enough sample size.
24:15But when they were on the field together for those 52 routes, typically Christian Watson was the one that was running the deeper routes of the two.
24:24And I agree that that is the misuse of resources between the two players.
24:29Now they say they're ripping the offense down to the studs.
24:32So does that mean that they're going to think about the roles that these receivers play in and potentially fit them more to their skill sets?
24:41I don't know. We got to watch Training Tramp and see how that plays out.
24:46That's one of the big mysteries. And again, you talked about the routes run for Matthew Golden, how he's going to be the second most.
24:54I am a little bit more bullish though on the total route volume for all of these guys.
25:00And part of it is because what I heard was that they want to play with more tempo.
25:06And when they're playing with tempo, they don't want to rotate players out.
25:10And they want to stay in 11 personnel because they want to have Jaden Reed on the field as a dominant pass catcher.
25:17So I think we might actually see this Jaden Reed situation play out a little bit more favorable for fantasy than we
25:25have in the past two, where he's been more of like a 65-ish percent route runner.
25:30And now it's more, hey, can we get to that 75% level?
25:34And they actually operate out of 11 personnel rather than more mixing in 12 and 13, different things like that too.
25:41So I'm a little bit more bullish on Jaden Reed of the three options, mainly because I'm scared about the Christian Watson
25:48role and what they might end up doing with him.
25:51I'm most bullish on Jaden Reed at cost, even though I like where Matthew Golden is going.
25:57It's cheap enough where, again, you should just take the shot.
26:00But with Reed, I mean, to go back to the article that we were talking about earlier, where the route depth really
26:08can be a big indicator here, even if Watson is more in the role that I'd like to see as the movement
26:15Z, that's kind of what mostly what he was doing last year was as that like movement Z player.
26:21And even then he's still in your article, you noted he still had like a higher route depth.
26:27And I mean, there's no way that Reed will not have a shallower route depth.
26:32And I also think this team, the offensive line is worse this year.
26:36I think the defense could be worse this year, which again, will push more pass volume overall to these guys.
26:43But if it's just a team that's playing from behind more, they're playing in more chaos, I think we're going to see
26:50a lot more targets like kind of just naturally flow to Jaden Reed in those situations, not just the explosive place, but
26:57also kind of, again, the gimmies, the layups and everything like that.
27:01So if you got burned by Jaden Reed last year, you know, what are you going to do?
27:07Like it was a lost year, you know, just injuries and everything.
27:11But he is somebody I'm definitely willing to buy back in on this year.
27:15We haven't mentioned Tucker Craft either, who's also, of course, coming off from injury.
27:20The Packers are, dude, we're going to go to break here, but just one last thing I just want to, like the
27:27Packers are a weird team this year. Don't you?
27:30Do you find, like, I find them to be a bizarre team this year that I think a lot of questions on
27:37both sides of the ball and at key positions here beyond, like the pass catchers are not going to rotate this year.
27:44There's a question for every single player on that, like, skill position group offense.
27:49So, like, even getting into Josh Jacobs, like, it's a question mark on, one, he's got a legal situation that hasn't fully done yet.
27:57Two, he was dealing with knee injuries last year.
28:00He's getting older. Is there something going on there?
28:03Do they, they've talked about wanting to implement Marshawn Lloyd a little bit more into the offense and Chris Brooks as well.
28:10So, yeah, it's just every single player, I feel like, has some, like, small question mark that we need to address.
28:17It'll be fun to track during training camp and be able to report back to you guys on what I'm hearing.
28:24All right, we're going to take a quick break.
28:27When we come back, we are talking Broncos and Commanders offenses as we look at these teams that are having big offensive ecosystem changes.
28:34We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back.
28:38We're continuing to talk through training camp storylines you need to monitor based on the minicamp OTA drum beats with Zane Dahani here.
28:46And Zane, this next one is really important for me to hear what you have to say because I am so over
28:53my skis, all in on Jalen Waddell. What is the situation that we are tracking in Denver with a new play caller,
29:00which is still shocking to me to say? Yeah, the fact that Sean Payton was willing to give over play calling duties
29:07is still one of the biggest enigmas to me because that's, like, his thing, right?
29:12So, anyway, yeah, bringing in Jalen Waddell, that is also one of the biggest, like, stands that I've taken from a fantasy perspective.
29:20His price was cheaper, like, multiple weeks ago. But now he's starting to get steamed up a little bit.
29:26And I still kind of, like, do this 1v1 on Jalen Waddell where I'm like, hey, he's going near, like, a Chris Olave or something.
29:34And I still am like, dude, I want to hit the button on Jalen Waddell.
29:39No, but I think this is one of those things where, yeah, this is one of those things where they brought him
29:46in because they lacked dynicism in the offense, right?
29:49So they kind of had Sutton, who's been that prototypical, like, hey, you can do a little bit of everything.
29:56And they've mixed him into, like, I wrote about him in my route depth article, actually.
30:01They mixed him in at all three levels, basically.
30:04But where he kind of, like, operates the best from my perspective is more intermediate and then also somewhat deep as kind
30:11of, like, more of the big body type of guy.
30:14And Jalen Waddell is a perfect fit, in my opinion, to fit in this deployment where this offense likes to do short
30:21area and intermediate area type of stuff, right? So we're talking about screens.
30:26We're talking about little drag routes and slants. That, to me, is really, like, the way that...
30:31And everything that I've read is that's how they want to use him.
30:35But, you know, I think that there's a contingency of the fantasy community who thinks they brought in Jalen Waddell to take the top off of the defense.
30:45But that's not what I'm hearing so far. So I'm actually very excited about what I've heard out of camp in the usage for Jalen Waddell.
30:53I think that, like, you know, he's one of those guys that he just got overshadowed by Tyreek Hill in Miami.
31:00But he's a dude by himself. And so everything that I'm thinking through with Jalen Waddell is this guy has the opportunity.
31:07Like, we're talking about fantasy breakers, like league winner type of players.
31:11This is one of those guys that I keep flag planting as, like, a league winner.
31:16I don't know. Like, I know you said you're, like, into him too, but I'm curious.
31:22Like, why are you into him? Is it the route tree?
31:25Is it, you know, just the talent? Or... Okay, this is so crazy that we're showing this Davis Webb quote.
31:32I have not seen this. The producer's just thrown this through this up here.
31:36This is Broncos, again, new play caller, offensive coordinator, Davis Webb, saying this about Jalen Waddell.
31:42He's a really good player. There are some similarities.
31:44When I was with Josh Allen going into year three, similar to Bo going into year three, and we traded for Stefan Diggs.
31:52The receipts are out there, folks. That is the exact comparison I made when they traded for Jalen Waddell.
31:58Like, again, it's a year three receiver guy who's on the second contract, like a proven guy that I think people still don't realize how good he is.
32:07That was my kind of... And I liked Diggs at the time a little bit more than I liked Jalen Waddell as
32:15a player, but that's only because, like, I viewed Diggs as a truly elite receiver in Minnesota, and Waddell's not quite at that level.
32:22But, again, just so funny. I had not seen that Davis Webb made the same comparison here because this is the effect
32:30I think this is going to have on this offense, Zane.
32:33And you kind of highlighted it there. Anytime you can get a guy who is going to get the designer touches, you
32:40know, the screens and the drag routes and, like, just get the football in his hands and let him cook type of
32:48stuff, but he can also run real deal routes and win down the football field, like, that's a potential wide receiver one in fantasy football.
32:56When you can get that stuff along with the real receiver work, and I just look at this Broncos offense, like, they're
33:03not going to treat Jalen Waddell, who they traded a first and a third round pick and are comparing to Stefan Diggs,
33:10they're not going to trade, they're not going to do that and then treat him like Troy Franklin or Marvin Mims, okay?
33:17Like, that is not going to happen because he's much better than those players.
33:22So, to me, I just, everything you're saying there about what we need to pay attention to, what you're hearing about, like,
33:29the usage for Waddell so far, like, the type of targets he's going to get, that's the reason why I think he
33:36is just such a good fit where he goes in fantasy right now as a potential, like, leaps multiple tiers in terms of the wide receiver ranks.
33:45Yeah, and I think that the wide receiver three in this room actually makes an impact on what we're going to see
33:52out of Jalen Waddell, maybe Cortland Sutton. I don't know if you've thought about this either, but it's like, what does Pat Bryant do?
34:00And if he's the wide receiver three, how does he change what Cortland Sutton does or what Jalen Waddell does?
34:07But Troy Franklin, you know, he can operate as more of like a vertical receiver as opposed to a Pat Bryant.
34:14And does that, like, give Cortland Sutton more of the intermediate stuff and then Waddell the short stuff?
34:20And so I've just been thinking, that's the only, like, nuance that I've been thinking through with this wide receiver room is
34:27like, who the receiver three is, does that dictate what the role shifts to for the Jalen Waddell or Sutton?
34:33I think it's going to have a bigger impact on Sutton than it is Jalen Waddell.
34:38Usually you're like, dominant receiver. You put in a situation that like, hey, this is his role.
34:44Then the second receiver is the one that like, maybe you mix and match a little bit with that wide receiver three
34:51depending on what their like route tree looks like.
34:54So, yeah. I've been fading more of the Cortland Sutton situation just because I think that like, he's going to potentially push
35:01deeper if they have Pat Bryant in the game.
35:04More often, who is the guy that I think is going to kind of win more of that role as opposed to
35:12a Pat Bryant playing that role because that's just not, that's not where Pat Bryant operates.
35:17He's not a deep receiver. He's more of an intermediate kind of guy.
35:21Yeah, you could pretty much lock in like the projections we're showing on the screen right now for Cortland Sutton.
35:28Like you could probably lock in about 750-ish yards and, you know, five or six touchdowns for Cortland Sutton, but I don't
35:35think you can really project a realistic ceiling here based on the environment, based on the Jalen Waddell addition.
35:41And there's just so many receivers that go after him in fantasy that I do think have a real path to a ceiling here.
35:49So I'm with you. I haven't been taking much of Cortland Sutton.
35:53And I think if it's Pat Bryant as the wide receiver three, Zane, one thing to just note is that that means
36:00that Sutton as the X receiver is going to be the outside on ball guy because Bryant is a big body.
36:07They actually used him more on the line of scrimmage than off the line of scrimmage last year.
36:13So if that continues, that just means like you're going to be able to move Jalen Waddell around consistently because he will
36:20be the off ball receiver, which I think he will be anyways.
36:24But Bryant being the third receiver would have a pretty big impact on that.
36:28You're right. That's something to note. He would have a pretty big impact like on how the other guys get used here.
36:36OK, let's get to our last offensive ecosystem change that we're monitoring here.
36:40And that is in Washington with David Blau taking over.
36:43This is one I have also been obsessed with thinking about.
36:47So curious to hear what you've read so far on the commanders and what you're looking for as we go into training camp.
36:54Yeah, the commander's offense is also really interesting because there's so much of a difference from what you saw from Cliff Kingsbury, right?
37:02Because Cliff Kingsbury is just notable for basically leaving receivers on their side of the field, playing at a really strong, fast pace, operating out of the gun.
37:11And they're basically changing all of that. What they've said is, hey, they want to move Terry McLaurin around the formation, right?
37:18Last year, I think he was like 85% on the left side and on the outside.
37:23Whereas now, and I think that was like one of the top numbers.
37:28Yeah. So just think about think about doing your full-time job right now and someone just asking you to do the exact
37:35same thing every single day for like 365 days a year.
37:38That just sounds boring, right? Like, and that's what that's what McLaurin was asked to do.
37:44So moving him around, potentially getting him in the slot sometimes.
37:47And then, you know, now they're thinking about how can we go under center and do play action with a lot of motion?
37:55And there's been a lot of great fantasy analysts out there that have done analysis on this.
38:00We see it on film as well. Anytime that you can do under center play action and have like a reasonable threat
38:08out of like 12 personnel, 12 personnel is a great way to use it too.
38:12A reasonable threat to trick the defense. You always see those linebackers take one step forward, right?
38:18And that's what they're hoping to do. They're hoping to take, make those linebackers take one step forward with the play action,
38:25which then opens up that middle of the field a little bit more for a guy like Terry McLaurin to just kind
38:32of be right behind the defense, right? So I think these offensive changes and then how they can utilize Chig in that situation too.
38:40They're talking about him. If they do 12 personnel, we're going to see a route share for Chig that he has not had in the past, right?
38:49Because the two tight ends on the field are going to be him and then either Ben Sanat or I forget if
38:56they still have John Bates, but they have somebody else out there that they could also deploy.
39:02Yeah, exactly. So in that situation, like I think that this is just going to play out.
39:07If they don't add a Stefan Diggs, this is going to be monster stuff for Terry McLaurin, who I think is still
39:15like, he's not an elite receiver, but he's a really good receiver.
39:18And then Chig as well, I think can be option two in that offense while they rotate that wide receiver two position
39:26and just figure that out on the fly. Yeah, I think it could look a little bit like Houston last year where
39:33like it's Nico Collins has a consistent route share and then everybody else kind of rotates around him.
39:39I actually think Houston could end up looking a little bit like that this year depending on Tank Dell's health.
39:45But overall, yeah, I mean, I think Terry is a really attractive target where he goes right now.
39:51Obviously, David Blau, we got to admit he's an unknown.
39:54I mean, the guy was playing football games not very long ago.
39:58So was Davis Webb, who we just talked about.
40:01I mean, shoot, we talked about Sean Mannion. He was in the NFL not that long ago.
40:07Like these are all very, very, very new coaches and theories we're kind of working through here.
40:12But if it hits, man, I mean, honestly, even if it doesn't hit, your point about Terry McLaurin is so well taken.
40:20I joked about this with Boone when we were talking about Terry like several months ago.
40:25Every new coach, Zane comes in and says, like, we're going to move our receivers around.
40:30We're going to move our number one receiver on.
40:33This is the first guy who said it and it will objectively be true because nobody moves their receivers around less than Cliff Kingsbury.
40:41And for that reason, too, like I think the route depth will come down on Terry.
40:46He will be less difficult or he will be less easy for teams to just take out of the game because they won't know where he is.
40:55So these games where he has like five targets or something that will be much less frequent in this new offense.
41:02So really excited about McLaurin. Obviously, we're tracking if Diggs signs here, we'll talk about Diggs briefly at some point during the
41:09show here, but the wide receiver to position. What's Antonio Williams doing?
41:13I am with you that Chico Conquo is a really nice late round tight end.
41:18Just real quick before we move off of the commanders, what have you seen so far on the backfield?
41:24Because that is obviously one of the more ambiguous ones in fantasy right now.
41:29Yeah, so there's been a consistent reporting on this from all of the people that are attached to the Washington commanders beat.
41:36So we're talking about John Kime as the ESPN beat, The Athletic as well.
41:40I can't remember who the name is, but and they're all talking about and then Ben Standig as well, who kind of
41:48operates in his own like independent fashion. And Ben Standig was the one that was really early on the Brian Robinson news
41:55last year where he said, hey, this guy's probably not going to make the team.
42:00Yeah, Ben's good. And it's probably going to be Ja'Kory Krosky-Marie.
42:03Yeah, exactly. So he was a little bit early on that.
42:07He just wrote an article yesterday that talked about how Ja'Kory Krosky-Marie is the one that has the opportunity to potentially build
42:14this offense into what they want it to be, which is to have a dynamic rusher and also a dynamic pass catching option.
42:22What's weird about that is that Ja'Kory Krosky-Marie's profile is not at all a pass catching back.
42:27He hasn't shown that in any of his history like dating back to I think he played like six years in college or something.
42:35So you can check the stats on him, but he hasn't really shown that in his profile.
42:41The problem is that what they want to do is they want to give him the opportunity to earn that type of work.
42:48Notably, they have Rashad White who has historically operated in that kind of role with Tampa Bay.
42:54So it would be natural for him to earn that opportunity, but I don't think that the commanders really see him as a nice rushing game threat.
43:03And so that's kind of what they feel that they can probably utilize Ja'Kory Krosky-Marie a little bit more.
43:09And actually, I'm curious if you've also felt this way, but I'm hearing more and more from offensive coordinators and other teams
43:16that are basically saying like we don't want to tip off run versus pass based off of personnel.
43:22And so like if you have Rashad White in, it's clearly probably more likely to be a pass play.
43:28You have Ja'Kory Krosky-Marie in, it's more likely to be a run play.
43:32But I think what David Blau was trying to say is that they would like for that to not be the case.
43:40So they want to develop the talent of Ja'Kory Krosky-Marie so that teams don't know that it's a run or a pass.
43:47It sounds like JCM kind of has the first right to fail essentially here.
43:51Like if they get into camp and he doesn't take it and run with it, I think Rashad White as we were
43:58talking about him earlier this week is sort of a guy that could end up being like this year's Javante Williams and
44:06that he's a boring vet nobody really cares for at this point.
44:10But he is functional in the pass game as a good pass blocker and he'll get you what's blocked.
44:16Javante was better than that last year let's be clear.
44:19But I think that he could be sort of in that variety but that probably means that JCM just didn't take the
44:26job and didn't seize it because it sounds like based on what you're saying he's got the ability to do that.
44:33But yeah, 100% like this offense only functions all this like cool play action stuff we're talking about out of heavy personnel
44:40that only works if teams respect your run game and even if it's not one of the best run games in the
44:48NFL from an efficiency standpoint they respect it from a design and a schematic and your commitment to it.
44:54So I do think that's pretty key to track and again one of these two backs I think Rashad White JCM is
45:01going to be like a really good fantasy pick I think JCM has the higher he has like the higher ceiling but
45:08it is still a theoretical ceiling so he is somebody to really pay attention to and track during training camp but we're
45:15going to transition here now to individual pass catcher units that have some ambiguity some like mysterious I would say pass catcher
45:23storylines first one up it's you know I feel like we've already talked about this about a hundred times this offseason and
45:30we've got a long way to go till week one so we're going to put up put up put up our big
45:37boy pants here and we're going to talk about them once again Jacksonville Jaguars pass catchers Zane what have you heard so
45:44far what are you looking for as we get into training camp yeah the more I read about this situation and I've
45:51written about this in many different ways as well the more I read about the situation I keep hearing things about how
45:59you know obviously Brian Thomas had this incredible OTAs mini camp everything he did so well in that but everything that they
46:06write about is hey this guy was running deep and he was catching a vertical route and that he's the vertical receiver
46:13for the team does that match what we've heard what we've seen out of these type of like Leon Cohen type of
46:20like McShanahan offenses absolutely in my opinion this this Brian Thomas role if you're talking about him being that X receiver it
46:27is usually a little bit more of like a vertical ish type of role and I've and again I wrote about this
46:35from a fantasy angle talking about route depth if he pushes deep like he did when they got Jacoby Myers last year
46:42that's not that's not like a predictive you know kind of like role to be in because you're just kind of like
46:49doing a lot of deeper routes that don't necessarily lend itself to the quarterback having that the opportunity to even hold on
46:56to the ball and get that ball over to that receiver they started him out as kind of like a three level
47:03receiver last year and then after injuries and it not necessarily working out perfectly they started moving him into this like more
47:11X deep threat type of like role and their offense started to flourish especially when they got Jacoby Myers and then they
47:18put Parker Washington into the slot and we've heard Liam Cohen talk about Parker Washington as kind of like a run after
47:25the catch like built like a running back type of player all of the reports on kind of the Parker Washington situation
47:32from my read have been really bullish but you know I think he best operates in the slot just because he's in
47:39my opinion he's not necessarily like the best like press coverage like man beater by any means yeah so I kind of
47:46see it as like you know Liam Cohen deployed this offense with Chris Godwin in the slot in 2024 Chris Godwin's a
47:54much better like route runner in my opinion than a Parker Washington he was more developed at this point but if that
48:01role exists and he's able to do more things from a run after catch perspective than a Chris Godwin was which I
48:08think he has the talent to that's kind of where I I lean a little bit and then Jacoby Myers is like
48:15your consummate professional like I'm going to play the Z you can rotate me into the slot I'm going to do blocking
48:22like I he's a good player by by like every evaluation but he's not like a guy that you're going to say
48:30hey this guy just got 1200 yards in fantasy and broke it the the real 1200 yard like breaking fantasy is either
48:37going to be Brian Thomas or Parker Washington or it could be nobody that that's like the the situation that like bother
48:44that this is the one where if you could tell me one stat line for the full year if you could tell
48:51me what happened with Parker Washington that would give me like the key to unlock the rest of fantasy this year in
48:58a weird raising I actually want like I would love to know the route depth between BTJ and Parker Washington before we
49:06get into the season here because one thing that's fascinating I told number one totally echo what you said about BTJ in
49:13that one I think I think it's bullish that he would be used as the X receiver in the offense because I
49:20think that's the right use for him but it's not the way he was used in his rookie season when he went
49:27crazy in the back half down the stretch and put up all these like he was used more as an off ball
49:34player then he was kind of used as we're getting the ball in his hands and he's doing yards after catch stuff
49:42and then for Parker Washington he is really good with ball in his hands I totally agree with Liam Cohen like he
49:49was he's one of the best after catch receivers I tracked last year even if yeah his route Parker Washington was used
49:56as like a vertical downfield slot not so much in like the Chris Godwin slot role even though he is a guy
50:03that's over 200 pounds like he's a little more thicker and compact than you'd think Parker Washington but if BTJ has the
50:10route tree that he had last year not ideal however if he has like Mike Evans route tree from 2024 with Liam
50:18Cohen I think that's actually a little bit better so to me like I wish I I wish I could know the
50:25exact route allocation for these two guys but yeah it could be the situation I mean ultimately I think the base case
50:32that we should project here Zane and it sounds like a lot of what you've read so far kind of leans into
50:39this is that this is like an everybody sort of rotates and gets theirs but nobody really is the home run here
50:46and obviously haven't even discussed the fact that like Travis Hunter is probably going to run so that just takes away targets
50:54when he's on the field and it's funny because I think you and I kind of agreed on this last year where
51:01we were talking about this and I commented on it but I said Travis Hunter just had his best game on film
51:08I did a whole evaluation on the Jaguars last year and he had his best game before he got injured he actually
51:15and we're going to toss you the ball and that's not like stupid I don't think that's the right way to use
51:22him so it was kind of interesting but yeah I think that for me it's really like to thread the needle as
51:30the X receiver in this offense we've seen kind of how and then Mike Evans in 24 and then last year with
51:37Devontae Adams as the X in for the Rams and it's hard to like it's a hard needle to thread to be
51:44that efficient right like Evans was getting a lot of season that he had so if Ryan Thomas is playing that role
51:51do I think that he's just as good of a talent and receiver yet as those guys I don't like I think
51:58he's still a notch below and he and it's hard to hard to accomplish that like we're talking about top top receiver
52:06seasons such a good point here because Mike Evans was wide receiver nine in points per game in 2024 as this X
52:13receiver in Liam Cohen's offense but that also coincides with Chris Godwin got hurt halfway through that year when he was the
52:20guy that was running away on a points per game basis as the two range of outcomes but is it the most
52:27likely outcome probably not so again even regardless of all right we're back and we had to take that break Zane because
52:34this next one it's a big one it's about a small player but it obscure article where some guy that probably isn't
52:42even a real beat but happened to be at practice basically wrote an article saying hey I saw Josh Downs lined up
52:49on the outside then I start peeling back the onion more yeah I know then I start peeling back the onion more
52:56and I hear from Jake Arthur who's actually a beat and then I hear from another beat writer I can't remember every
53:03I like people somewhat overrate the situation where a guy is going to operate more in that Z role and you can
53:10get creative with receivers like Josh Downs to be able to generate space and not have them lined up on the line
53:18of scrimmage Z receiver is typically if you got a tight end on your side you're typically the a bit and then
53:25they talk about how they want to utilize him in two wide receiver sets as well the way that they want to
53:32utilize him is getting him in motion so he could line up on the outside and then he on X or any
53:39other platform where people will take footage of Josh Downs actually being out there in two wide receiver sets that's a big
53:46one because his route share is kind he can get based off of the way they designed this offense he's the guy
53:54that could lead this team in targets he's going to typically been in the 60s so this would be huge for him
54:01I'm so with you ADP chasing and Jacob Sanderson who's a Colts fan made this point that if you think Josh Downs
54:08is going to get held back this year and be limited in terms Josh Downs because the team knows Josh Downs is
54:15good anybody with eyeballs knows that Josh Downs is good so I think it's really listening and following in training camp to
54:22see as you mentioned what are the formations that they're running we were talking outside so I'm with you that I kind
54:29of think the two receiver set it's like we're overthinking it a little bit with Josh Downs but even then so this
54:37is one that I think we're going to have to really pay attention to in training camp because out of OTAs Denzel
54:44Boston was but they feel that Denzel Boston is that big bodied receiver that they want to have out there and this
54:51is a team that could play some 12 personnel as well it's one of those things where who is the guy that's
54:58going to get more playing time Isaiah Bond is also on the team he has looked good for the team they want
55:05to also still have Jerry Judy on the field I think Judy will be their wide receiver one but I don't think
55:13he'll end up with their top stats at the end of the season but they want Jerry Judy between slot and maybe
55:20on the outside taking that Jerry Judy opportunity and that's what not to make the exact comparison but it is what the
55:27Ravens have done with Zay Flowers putting him on the outside but also in the slot moving him around a little bit
55:34more letting Denzel Isaiah Bond Bond being kind of also swapping between that slot role and Z receiver type of role this
55:41is pretty late in fantasy drafts to be able to get a first round rookie where Casey Conception is going historically guys
55:49like this used to go in the fifth round and now we're starting to see them fall quite a bit because we've
55:56been burned by I think you were on this too but Casey is one of those guys who when you chart his
56:03college film he jumps out on film he's one of those guys that was getting open a ton his biggest issue is
56:10catching the ball and I always say this and I don't know if you do it but I think we sometimes overrate
56:17being able to catch the football these guys are on the judge drop rates is so widely variable yeah I don't worry
56:25about it as much I don't worry about it either that's how I better than the legal reasons but he's more of
56:32a vertical player as well so I wonder if Judy could I know they've said oh he's our bell cow receiver which
56:39makes no sense we're going to come right back and then we are going to talk through the last two storylines we're
56:46going to rapid fire these ones before we get out of here we will get into that right after this all right
56:53we're back we are wrapping up the 12 storylines that Zane Dahan says you need to know and you need to be
57:01tracking here as training camps open up the drum beats the news more than anyone else but we don't need even you
57:08to tell us like it's pretty good news when the head coach says I'm buying stock in this player which is what
57:15Ben Johnson said about Luther Burden and that headline obviously went wild so what have you heard from Luther Burden so far
57:22what are you looking to see in training camp with the Bears passing game yeah I think we want to hear about
57:29what their roles are and how they're utilizing the receivers like everything that Ben Johnson has said about Luther Burden obviously the
57:37buying stock part but then he's also talked about him as a dynamic playmaker right so at as a guy who breaks
57:44tackles and we trust him in short situations I think that plays more favorable to Caleb Williams a little bit right like
57:51Caleb likes to operate in this crazy nuanced out of structure situation but Ben Johnson wants to put structure to that and
57:58Caleb Williams is also not the most accurate person especially down the field and so that's where it's like accuracy might not
58:05be the best when it comes and ball placement might not be and there was an article today talking about making sure
58:13he's able to hit his primary read more often which I think will end up being a quicker throw and the quicker
58:20throws I think will this is one where from a fantasy angle I think that Luther Burton is the right option of
58:27him and Roma Dunes but their prices are wildly different and then Rome better football player at this point in his career
58:34but just not necessarily in my opinion the role that you want to see in this offense and if these guys are
58:41running the exact same route trees as they were last year I agree with you 100% that Luther Burton is going to
58:49get way more honestly even if Luther Burton improves he's going to the tough part is though like Burton just never really
58:56had like a real role you know last year even once he got onto the field like they're still kind of using
59:03him in some more designer stuff I mean I think he can do more of that like I think he can be
59:10Robert Mays and I were talking about this last week we were texting back and forth about Luther burden comps I think
59:17Luther burden can be somewhere between like a combination of Rashi Rice and Zay Flowers which by the way that's a pretty
59:25sick player but I think he can be much really run some more downfield routes we just haven't seen it yet but
59:32he has to do that I think to meet his ADP this year which is why I just ended up taking more
59:39Roma Duns I think this offense is going about Luther Burden role and what are the routes he is running beyond just
59:46some of the gimme stuff because if he's going to be a fourth round pick in fantasy he needs to do player
59:53he's not a bad receiver yeah exactly and so I feel like they had to put people into roles that they don't
60:01necessarily fit in 100% because DJ Moore was in my opinion in this odd role that he doesn't necessarily fit in that
60:08offense and so that's where now I think you've got more that distinct role where you can put Luther Burden into more
60:15of like hey you're going to play the slot some you're going run the gimme routes we're not going to have to
60:22split that with DJ Moore you like they play in Chicago right that's where I live I've gone to so many games
60:29at Soldier Field late in the year it's cold the wind is blowing all over the place those deep routes harder to
60:37hit easy routes the gimme the underneath and that's where I lean fantasy playoff time are we going to see Luther Burden
60:44stick out more or are going to see the guy running the that's the scary one for me I saw it in
60:51one this actually happened early in the season last year I think it was week three there was a lot of wind
60:58it was like 30 40 mile per hour winds and I tweeted about this i said Rome is not going to get
61:05the ball today because he's operating as a deeper receiver and it's hard to make those throws they're going to have to
61:13make quick passes to make this happen and he did almost nothing in that game like he was just completely out of
61:20the game so i'm like i'm like this is a weather weird like a weird weather thing that i also think about
61:27for like fantasy playoff time that i think lends itself better to a luther burden profile but you know we can't predict
61:34the weather so can't predict the weather but you can kind of predict what the weather is going to look like in
61:41chicago late in the year and that's why i think that the run game is still going to be really important here
61:48i'm i'm fascinated also just with the offensive line which i think could take a step back this year with the left
61:56tackle situation um joe tooney another year older although he was incredible last season so yeah lots of new center as well
62:03drew dolman's retirement looms large over this team so i'm i'm very in on this bears offense but you got to acknowledge
62:10some of the risks with like the verticality of roma Odunze's role even if you are like me very very bullish on
62:17the player um and just again there's i want to bet on all these players but it is worth like noting the
62:24weather concerns and the offensive line concerns as well i i'm hoping that like kalief raymond and xabian thomas can end up
62:32being like the sacrificial speed players which allow like a dunze to run more slants and quick hitters than he did last
62:39season but that will obviously be tbd their last receiver storyline zane and we could be quick with this one because it
62:46is just quite literally a question who signed step on digs what have you seen so far where are we at with
62:53digs and when do you when do we think we can expect him to sign because there's still kind of a lot
63:00going on for digs off the field yeah so all the nfl insiders schefter jeremy fowler um ian rapaport that whole like
63:08crew of of guys that like are the most well-known have basically said they're they're actually surprised that he hasn't signed yet
63:15and that he had at least like five options on the table um two of those options um have lend themselves to
63:22the commanders uh and the ravens and those are the two that i'm like really really paying attention to um of the
63:29rest right so i kind of like i broke this down somewhere else but i said commanders to me is like a
63:3650 percent 25 for ravens and then there's always the surprise like what if the rams just want a dynamic wide receiver
63:44three and he wants to take some sort of pay cut to do that um there's always that like option that's at
63:51play you know if he goes to the commanders you know we talked about look terry mclaurin earlier but i still think
63:58that digs is a target commander and uh and i didn't say that as a pun i think he's a target commander
64:05and i i could see him especially the way that he has to like operate in an offense i could see him
64:12maybe being like the higher target earner over a terry mclaurin if they give them both like equal routes um and then
64:20obviously if he goes to the ravens i think it's probably a better fit uh because zay is a little bit more
64:27dynamic in all the things that he can do um but but i think that um it would be more clean from
64:34a fantasy perspective because i think zay is just like definitely the top tier guy uh when you compare him to a
64:41stefan diggs um so those are the two teams that i'm hearing right now um it is something that i'm i'm tracking
64:48like diligently uh like checking any like little piece of information but he is working out in at the university of maryland
64:56which is you know home court for both baltimore and um and the commanders yeah he's from the area the whole deal
65:03there so yeah i think those are the two teams that probably are the favorite to sign him i think the ravens
65:10will probably want to get into camp and see what rashad bateman can do see what the rookies can do a little
65:17bit um you know a lot of reports they're still counting on bateman uh obviously you know my therapist says i'm not
65:24allowed to talk about rashad bateman that still stands hoping to get that uh lifted here pretty soon as but i'm gonna
65:32wait for a couple weeks into training camp before uh talking bateman once more but yeah commanders obviously have a lot of
65:39room for targets there but i i agree like i i kind of want to see with a team like the rams
65:46or the chiefs even if like my chiefs would be awesome but that's like a pipe dream for me rams would not
65:53be great for fantasy that would really mix things up but they do kind of need a third receiving threat and obviously
66:00i think he probably wants to win a super bowl at this point we're gonna hit three running back storylines here zane
66:08before uh we get out of here and i'm gonna try to shut up as much as possible and just let you
66:15cook on these ones so uh no pun intended there our first one is on james cook and his pass catching role
66:22which you highlighted earlier so what have you seen on james cook that might help his upside in fantasy yeah so one
66:29of the big things that i'm trying to do when i'm tracking all this news is trying to figure out is there
66:36consistency is there uh multiple reports from different insiders that are telling us hey this is what they might end up doing
66:44this season and james cook is the one where i've seen very consistent drumbeat across multiple insiders that are very trusted within
66:51the the buffalo organization um that that cover the team and it's all been about hey pete carmichael was was uh hired
66:58here to be the offensive coordinator he has a history with alvin kamara ladenian tomlinson dating back to those days um and
67:05he has notably been very interested in getting these running backs their primary running back involved in the past game more and
67:12more james cook coming out of college right his profile lend itself more to a pass catching role than it did even
67:20a rushing role like i think most people were thinking that he would play more of like a gadgety like yeah running
67:27back than than than like the the role that he actually has right now um so we look at like what an
67:34alvin kamara role has looked like in the past and we're talking about like a something like 50 to 60 percent route
67:41share which right now james cook has been more like a 35 ish 30 like route share kind of guy so we're
67:48talking like that could that could lend itself to like one two maybe even three targets per game more um well they
67:56may take away some of his like early down rushing work as well but it does elevate the ceiling quite a bit
68:03like think about this if you get one or two more targets and you take away like two or three rushes per
68:10game those targets are worth like i think research has pointed to it being like worth like 2.5 more fantasy points um
68:17from that angle uh and i did the math on this too i don't know if we're allowed to talk math on
68:24the show but i did the math on this um if you add we could talk math yeah why not um if
68:31you add those targets back into his totals um it would probably add about one or maybe two fantasy points per game
68:39to his totals and while that sounds small it's pretty big because what it ends up getting him to is more of
68:46like a 20 point per game 21 point per game fantasy points in a full ppr league and when you look at
68:53that that's usually a top three receiver or sorry it's top three running back uh season now last year that would have
69:00been running back five and he's going at like running back six but i like i think he's got a solid floor
69:07in itself and then you add some pass catching duties and let's just say for some reason they do full alvin kamar
69:15lt um he could like this is one where if if we knew that he was going to have this role and
69:22they said hey yeah 60 routes um i think i actually think he would be the rb3 in terms of draft slot
69:29we don't know it for certain but i would draft him over jonathan taylor if i knew that he that this role
69:36was going to be his role i love that you brought this one up because yeah right now in my running back
69:43rankings i have a jonathan taylor james cook and i feel pretty good about that but the bigger question for me and
69:51i just recently made this change is i i made i moved jonathan taylor up ahead of like some of those receivers
69:58in the back half of the first round like a behind the the big three receiver uh or but like even like
70:05he's close with jsn to me so the question then is like if james cook has this role i would draft him
70:12in the first round over guys like jackson smith and jigba or aman ross st brown or justin jefferson so this is
70:19going to be a critical one to track because i think last off season and i i've joked about this like we
70:27just didn't we weren't down on james cook we just like never talked about james cook and he ended up being a
70:34great pick because it's just like well we know what he's going to do he's gonna be the lead running back for
70:41the buffalo bills good pick just never really talked about him enough and he ended up being a again a really he
70:48outkicked his fantasy value last year i want to talk about james cook more this year uh and definitely point people to
70:55draft him especially in that first round range so really want to track that receiving usage for him uh next one up
71:03here is back in the afc south we're talking second uh jacksonville storyline here and this one's great zane because i know
71:10you've tracked like the reports on basial tootin versus chris rodriguez justin boone and i were just talking earlier this week about
71:17Basial Tootin and i said like hey here's the deal man his adp it's only going to go one way it's only
71:24going to go up i don't think it's going to go down it's only going to go up and then not but
71:31like 24 hours after that show goes live there's a clip of liam cohen gassing up basial tootin on peter trager's podcast
71:39that's going all over the internet i'm like yeah that adp is already going up and it ain't been 24 hours since
71:46i showed up so what are your thoughts on basial tootin and the role expectation for the second year back look the
71:53interesting thing is the chris it's more about chris rodriguez in some ways the interesting thing with him is that he had
72:00foot surgery in the offseason right and there was like this whole mystery that was going on during otas nobody saw chris
72:07rodriguez they weren't showing him anywhere he wasn't out there on the field and then come come to hear about it from
72:15like a local jags um jacksonville you know report that was like yeah he had offseason surgery on his foot and there's
72:22been speculation about what that could be a lot of people think it's probably a jones fracture now we can't get into
72:29the speculation part in itself but if it is a jones fracture we've seen guys like des bryant seen guys like sammy
72:36watkins julio jones like coming back from that is really tough within the same season um your production is going to drop
72:43a lot coming off of a jones fracture if it's not a jones fracture that's fine are they going to limit his
72:51reps and just based off of him coming back from the surgery is he even going to be ready for training camp
72:58leon cohen said that he would but that was you know roughly like two months ago we haven't heard anything since if
73:05he's not ready for training camp then yes tootin's going back up again um the other nuanced approach that i take to
73:12this too is okay let's say that um let's say that let's say that it is some sort of split there's always
73:19situations where running back ends up winning the job after some time we saw zach moss and chase brown splitting a role
73:27for a little bit at the beginning of the season zach moss got injured and then chase brown takes over everything in
73:34terms of pass catching and the rushing duties about two years ago the people that crush fantasy usually are the ones that
73:41can contribute in the past game as well at running back right and the only one that has that profile like to
73:48be a league winner you have to have that kind of a profile usually or it's like insane efficiency off of rushing
73:55plus touchdowns and i don't know that chris rodriguez will get to that um this season you have to have that pass
74:03catching and basial tootin has that profile more than a chris rodriguez rodriguez has like very few reception in his in his
74:10career now the adp shows you that these two guys are kind of like obviously far enough apart where maybe it doesn't
74:17matter but i think of chris rodriguez is more of like a small win when you're drafting a chris rodriguez you maybe
74:24you get like a a seventh round value is that going to crush anything for your league like are you going to
74:31know when to start this guy no but if basial tootin hits and he if he hits and he has more pass
74:39catching and he's doing some rushing stuff that's where you could actually get like a second round value out of running back
74:46that's going in like a round five situation that's those are the types of things that i'm looking for and it's it's
74:53okay to get like a seventh round value out of a guy that's going like round 10 or 11 or wherever chris
75:00rodriguez is right now but again like you're not trying to play for that small win you're trying to play for the
75:07big win and the big win is is where basial tootin comes into play the last thing i'll say on that is
75:14it's the same message that i heard across al shanahan david blau and liam cohen all three of these coaches sharp coaches
75:22from what i what i think will happen with david blau um sharp coaches they don't want to give up and tip
75:29their hand on run pass splits when they have personnel on the field it's just that that is a common theme that
75:36i'm hearing this offseason from a lot of coaches basial tootin is the one that makes that all come to fruition chris
75:43rhabri is in the game it's most likely a run play basial tunes in the plot in the game you can throw
75:50the ball and it would be fine so that's that's the only thing i'll say on that i i am leading basial
75:58tootin mainly because of that upside but yeah i wanted to throw out all the news that i heard i honestly couldn't
76:05have said that better myself like yes can chris rodriguez be a get on base pick totally could he be an adp
76:12beater yes but he is not going to be like one of the defining picks of fantasy football and i don't know
76:19if basial tootin is going to be that nobody knows that but he has a higher chance at being it so that
76:26is why i do like where he is going right now um i think he's like perfectly priced unfortunately that price is
76:34going to go up like yesterday's price is not today's price with basial tootin and we're going to be able to say
76:41that a week from now and probably two weeks from now as well so uh we'll definitely be interested to track uh
76:48that adp and i think that transition does pretty well honestly the pass catching stuff at running back zane to our final
76:55news to track here and that is the bucks backfield where we've got the bucky irving kenny gainwell situation what have you
77:02seen from this one so far and how do you see it shaking out because i don't have a good read here
77:10yeah so this is one where at the beginning of otas we heard um todd bowles actually come out and say hey
77:17bucky irving might not be back till summer or fall and that that like threw everyone for a loop everybody was so
77:24worried right like when is this guy going to be on the field of fall fall i don't even have time for
77:31fall right now um everybody's like you're thinking i'm sitting there thinking like am i going to be buying a psl and
77:38bucky irving still on the uh on the ir right now or what um but there was a recent interview with uh
77:46bucky irving uh where he talked to some like local reporter at his camp and he said he's going to be there
77:53for the start of training camp um and so i like that that is not not a worry at this point in
78:00time the bigger worry is the fact that they added kenneth gainwell to this offense and what kenneth gainwell offers from a
78:07running back perspective and a receiving perspective um and we're starting to now narrow the window of what are the things that
78:14bucky irving does better than any other running back on the team sean tucker has done the goal line work in the
78:22past um and i believe that they they are going to continue to operate with him playing in that short yardage role
78:29and now they i mean they had rashad white in the past too but kenny gainwell is now a running back that
78:36can actually do stuff from a run game perspective as well more than what rashad white was able to do uh and
78:43he showed that last year with the steelers and they paid him good money and so everybody here now from from what
78:50i hear from the the bucks uh beat is basically it's a 1a 1b hot hand situation okay and we see the
78:58stats for bucky irving last year obviously he was injured for part of that and um and that may have impacted his
79:05play the offensive line was injured pretty much any single player on this offense was injured last year maybe not kate otten
79:12but every single other player was so that impacts performance as well but the profile for bucky irving he was a great
79:19college player not a really fast guy more of a shifty player a smaller running back um he has five games that
79:26he had in his rookie season where he had over 15 uh rushing attempts and so we're talking about a small sample
79:34size for a guy that was like a fourth round pick the nfl draft i loved him coming into last season because
79:41i was like man this guy's super efficient but the worry from the bucks and the reason why they kept uh sean
79:48tucker and the reason why they got kenneth gainwell is because they're worried about the blows to bucky irving so my concern
79:55here is that they don't want to lean into giving him a big workload and that i think they brought in enough
80:02competition in the rushing game as well as the past game from a kenny gainwell perspective where i'm actually leaning towards kenny
80:10gainwell being like the better fantasy pick because you get the pass catching stuff but then a lot of really smart people
80:17i don't know like who you've talked to about like the the about kenny gainwell in the past but a lot of
80:24people really like actually what he does as a running back and not just as a receiver um that he's like a
80:31way better running back than rashad white so i'm i'm like leaning into the kenny gainwell part of this argument because like
80:38i said you're taking away goal line stuff and you're taking away pass catching stuff and that like where where's the upside
80:46coming from then if you're taking away those two things like he's going roughly near bashal tootin um and so yeah i'm
80:53worried about like what bucky can actually do um other than just being a really efficient uh you know kind of like
81:00two down grinder between the 20s which is basically what jk dobbins role is right and that's not very helpful for for
81:07fantasy um we've got a clip here showing of him catching stuff so there there's that but yeah man like at the
81:14beginning of the offseason i thought i really want to be in on the bucky irving bounce back because number one this
81:22offensive line is awesome and is right now healthy it was not healthy last year like tristan worse not being there at
81:29the start of the season when bucky irving before he was hurt like when he's out there graham barton playing left tackle
81:36he should be one of the best centers in the league not playing left tackle so then they signed kenny gainwell and
81:43that throws a real wrench into it because i'm with you like right now i look at a cost perspective kenny gainwell
81:50is a much more interesting pick so i think we're just going to have to track and and monitor exactly how this
81:57backfield unfolds and like what the roles are because yeah the bottom line is bucky can be a really really awesome and
82:05effective back like jk dobbins was last year and still not be very like anything more than kind of a boom bust
82:12running back three because he's not getting that pass catching work and kenny gainwell just that's what he's really really good at
82:19he was super valuable for that for the steelers i think you could argue that he was a little overinflated from a
82:26pass catching standpoint because rogers was just dumping the ball off so much but even then if he just eats into the
82:33pass down work it's going to be a problem for bucky irving so that is one of the more key situations to
82:41track as we get into training camp zane this was an epic episode this was awesome i i cannot thank you enough
82:48for all of the information that you gave out to the listeners here uh you have been doing god's work sifting through
82:55all of this stuff you've been an incredible follow on twitter to keep up with it and thank you so much for
83:02bringing all this to the listeners i think it's going to be really valuable as people prepare for training camp and adjusting
83:09rankings and everything so tell the people right now where they can find your work what you're working on uh that people
83:17can check out as training camps get going and as we get into the nfl season here yeah so i think one
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83:53your phone is gonna be blowing up so um i i recommend doing it but just be no be aware that's going
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84:07that information that you can hear on spotify or apple or even on youtube where i literally recap all of the tweets
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84:50here in the future uh but yeah that those are the big places you can find me thank you guys so much
84:57um for for following me and having me on no doubt man keep up the great work and yeah please make sure
85:05you check out uh zane's show and all of his written articles as well he's not just a news grinder he's a
85:12really good analyst as well so that is going to do it for today's show information packed show no question about it
85:19but remember we're two times a week right now before we get back to our daily schedule in august so that means
85:26we've got another two week or two episode week coming up uh next week tuesdays and thursdays and it's finally time folks
85:33on tuesday the boys are in the building josh norris and hayden winks make their yahoo fantasy forecast debut on this show
85:41to share 10 guys they are strongly against adp on that's right welcome to the company boys time to talk down some
85:48players and uh maybe get roasted for it later we'll see how it goes until then we are out