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2026 Fantasy Predictions: Who will be king of 'RB Dead Zone'? (ADP RB25-50 that finishes top 12)

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1 hr 26 min
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Jun 17, 2026
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Wed, June 17, 2026
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Rhamondre StevensonChuba HubbardJ.K. DobbinsJaylen WarrenRJ HarveyTrayvon HendersonAaron JonesJonah ColemanJordan MasonRico DowdleDemond ClaiborneJavonte WilliamsJonathon BrooksTravis Etienne
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Aaron Jones

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Part of the Vikings backfield with Jordan Mason and possibly DeMond Claiborne, creating a less exciting ambiguous backfield.

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NegativeInjury0:52

Jones is turning 32 in December and has dealt with six straight seasons of different injuries, including soft tissue issues, making him a tough bet despite often playing through injuries.

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The Vikings have tried to extend Jones' role each of the last two years as he's gotten older, and he's picked up injuries as they put more on his plate, making him unreliable.

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Antonio Gibson

PositiveRole0:37

Was sharing work with Travion Henderson early in the season and played the pass protection role better, limiting Henderson's early opportunities.

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Caleb Johnson

NegativeProjection0:44

Johnson has zero hope in Pittsburgh and needs to change teams to revive his career.

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Chase Brown

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Hasn't been the most efficient back in recent years but can produce fantasy points with a lion's share of the backfield and a good offense.

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Christian McCaffrey

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Wasn't highly effective as a player last year but still produced fantasy points due to 400 touches in a really good offense.

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Chuba Hubbard

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Chuba Hubbard is ranked RB27 in 2026 draft rankings, in the dead zone tier.

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Had a very good fantasy season in 2024 with a full workload and contract extension, already checking the box of having done it before in a run-heavy offense.

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NegativeInjury0:31

Was playing through a calf injury in the back half of last year, which contributed to his efficiency tailing off, though he still has value in a run-heavy Panthers offense.

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Last season efficiency tailed off and he rushed back from injury when Rico Dowdle started playing well, appearing worried about being replaced, which affected his performance.

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D'Andre Swift

PositiveDepth Chart0:14

DeAndre Swift is positioned as RB24, marking the end of the solid tier of running backs before the cliff begins in 2026 drafts.

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Demond Claiborne

PositiveRole0:30

Possibly factoring into the Vikings backfield with Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason.

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Claiborne is a rookie who could potentially be used to alleviate Aaron Jones' workload with a couple of touches per game, though he has a lot of work to do outside of just running the football.

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J.K. Dobbins

PositiveRole0:27

Pushed ahead of rookie backs early in the season due to being trusted in pass protection and short yardage situations, demonstrating the importance of those skills.

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Dobbins has been injured every year of his career, missing four or more games annually, making him unreliable to count on for a full season.

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Denver ran the ball 56% of the time on Dobbins' snaps last year and he was not involved in the pass game at all, recording only 37 receiving yards.

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PositiveProjection0:50

If Dobbins finally stays healthy for a full season, he would likely finish top 12-15 in fantasy and have a great year, though durability concerns make this outcome unlikely.

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Jadarian Price

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Going to a team that wants to run the ball and play short yardage situations, with a good situation despite being a 200-pound back with limited production sample.

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Javonte Williams

PositiveProjection0:20

Finished as RB12 in fantasy points per game among qualified running backs with 1,300+ scrimmage yards and 13 touchdowns, demonstrating elite production despite going as RB40 in summer drafts.

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Went as RB40 in summer drafts and fell to 10th-11th round in analyst drafts, representing massive value that was reluctantly taken but worked out fantastically.

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Jaylen Warren

PositiveDepth Chart0:14

Jaylen Warren is listed as RB25 in the running back rankings, entering the dead zone tier.

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Part of the Steelers backfield with Rico Dowdle, creating a split backfield situation.

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Warren has not proven to be a workhorse back and continues to be used in a tandem approach, limiting his fantasy upside.

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NegativeProjection0:42

Warren's lengthy history shows he's top 10 in almost every rushing metric and has taken on more work each year, but the analyst still prefers wide receivers in this draft area over Warren.

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Jonah Coleman

PositiveRole0:30

Part of the Broncos trio backfield alongside RJ Harvey and JK Dobbins, creating an ambiguous backfield situation.

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Coleman is a complete wild card with a high success rate, strong pass protection, no fumble issues, and receiving ability, offering the most complete three-down package of the three Broncos backs.

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Coleman is going very late in drafts and is the preferred pick in the Broncos backfield because he was brought in to be the Dobbins replacement and offers more three-down versatility.

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Jonathon Brooks

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Returning from multiple ACL tears and looking good in movement, with a second-round draft capital and potential to take over the Panthers backfield if Hubbard struggles early.

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At age 23 (turning 23 in July), he's still young like some rookies and has a chance to get his career back on track, with potential to chip away at Hubbard's workload as the season progresses.

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Jordan Mason

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Part of the Vikings backfield with Aaron Jones and possibly DeMond Claiborne, creating a less exciting ambiguous backfield.

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Mason is a touchdown-or-bust profile with zero involvement in the passing game, making him a best-ball-only player who gives unusable fantasy lines in weeks without touchdowns.

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When Mason had the opportunity by himself from week three to week seven last year, he was the RB16 in fantasy points per game, and he had his second-highest yardage total of the season with 94 yards on 14 carries in week 18.

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Rachaad White

PositiveDepth Chart0:14

Rachaad White is positioned at RB26 in 2026 draft rankings.

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Rhamondre Stevenson

PositiveDepth Chart0:14

Rhamondre Stevenson is ranked RB28 in 2026 draft rankings.

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At RB28 ADP, could have a big enough role to be comfortable as an RB2, with potential to finish as a top-12 running back if he maintains his workload.

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Stevenson played 71% of postseason snaps and outtouched Henderson 70 to 35, demonstrating he was more trusted in high-leverage situations when the Patriots faced real pass rushes.

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Dominated postseason snaps with 71% snap share and 70 touches to Henderson's 35, demonstrating he's the more trusted back in high-pressure situations.

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Stevenson could still be in the conversation for the Patriots backfield, though the analyst expects Henderson to eventually take over the bulk of the workload.

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Rico Dowdle

PositiveProjection0:33

Put up monster games with a pair of 200+ yard performances, demonstrating strong production that may have caused Hubbard to rush back from injury.

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Dowdle is the preferred pick in the Steelers backfield because he has posted over 1300 scrimmage yards in each of the past two seasons and has proven he can produce in a big way for fantasy.

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Dowdle has emerged from two different backfields over two straight seasons and proven himself capable of producing meaningful fantasy games.

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RJ Harvey

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RJ Harvey is positioned at RB29 in 2026 draft rankings, in the running back dead zone.

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A 200-pound explosive type runner going to the Broncos as part of a trio backfield with JK Dobbins and Jonah Coleman, with ambiguous backfield dynamics.

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NegativeInjury0:46

Harvey tore his labrum in the playoff game against the Patriots and had offseason surgery, which could open the door for other backs.

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Harvey was one of the most inefficient backs in the NFL last year, ranking 42nd in yards per carry, 41st in success rate, and 47th in explosive run rate despite playing behind one of the best offensive lines.

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Travis Etienne

PositiveProjection0:22

Finished as a top-12 running back in fantasy despite not being highly efficient, benefiting from a full workload in a strong Jaguars offense that made a huge step up.

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In the final half of the season after the bye, ranked at the bottom of the league in almost every rushing metric despite maintaining a full workload.

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Trayvon Henderson

PositiveRole0:22

Had a disappointing rookie season with pass protection concerns and limited early opportunities, but showed explosive potential with four 50+ yard touchdown runs, the most by a rookie since Saquon in 2018.

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Struggled with pass protection adjustments as a 203-pound back in the NFL, picked up early penalties, and was dog-housed, losing snaps to Antonio Gibson early in the season.

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PositiveBreakout0:38

Henderson has significant upside if he improves in the passing game and becomes more trustworthy in pass-protection situations, similar to how Gibbs eventually took over from Montgomery.

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PositiveProjection0:39

Henderson produced well when given opportunities last year with some really big games, providing hope for future fantasy production.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Big show for you today. Boone June continues. I'm holding down the fort while Harmon enjoys a much-deserved vacation, but the lineup
0:06of great guests, it continues this month with Rich Rebar of Sharp Football Analysis.
0:10Rich and I continue our Flip the Script series.
0:12We have some fun going over the candidates for who could be this year's Javante Williams.
0:17So a running back that drastically outproduces ADP and finishes as a strong starter, maybe even an RB1.
0:22Rich and I also go through our thoughts on the RB dead zone and when that RB clear.
0:27Cliff comes and we discuss the latest development in the Brandon Sorsby saga, including how you should be approaching him in your
0:33dynasty leagues and what you can do if you've already completed your rookie draft, which I know a lot of you have.
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2:10Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast. I'm Justin Boone filling in once again for Matt Harmon, who is just off gallivanting around the world.
2:16Last I saw, he was at a wedding in a far off land.
2:20It is awesome to see him out there having a great time.
2:23I also know we are going to have a great time on today's show because our guest is fantasy royalty.
2:29Lord Reeds Rich Rebar of Sharp Football Analysis. Rich, welcome back to the show, buddy.
2:33How you doing? Yeah, it's great to be on with you.
2:36Anytime I get to hang out with you, I'll always jump at the chance.
2:40We've got to meet in person now twice in the past year, and I don't know if you'll let there be a third time.
2:46No, man. There are a few people on the list of when I see them across the room walking towards me, just the smile comes over the face.
2:54I'm so excited. I know it's going to be a great night.
2:57You very quickly got on to that list, man.
3:00And the last time we got to hang out was the Combine.
3:03Of course, even producer Colin was there, and he got a little taste of what a night out with Rich Rebar is like.
3:09We had a ton of fun, Harmon too. So I know it's going to be a great show today.
3:15I'm very excited to talk through a bunch of stuff, man.
3:18We got a lot to go over here. You know, we've been doing our Flip the Script series, and that started with
3:24Harmon and I a couple weeks ago, figuring out who could be this year's George Pickens.
3:28We had JJ Zacharyary and I go over last week and come up with who we thought is going to be this year's Drake May.
3:35I recommend everybody go check out those shows. You can go back and listen to them.
3:39You can go check them out on the Yahoo Fantasy YouTube channel.
3:43You should be subscribed there already. If you're not, please correct that if you are not, because there's lots of great content
3:49on there, and we are only going to be putting out more as the season gets closer here.
3:54But today, Rich, we're going to try and identify who we think is going to be this year's Javante Williams.
3:59So a running back going outside of the top 24 at the position who could potentially finish as an RB1 in fantasy,
4:05or at least a very strong fantasy starter. And like I said, there's a lot of names to go over for this one.
4:11We had some in the other episodes. I think a lot of them you could kind of just quickly dismiss.
4:17This one, I think it's going to be a little harder to narrow it down to just three finalists and then to potentially pick a winner.
4:24So I'm glad you are here to help us with that.
4:27We're also going to go through some of our thoughts on the RB Cliff and the RB Dead Zone and where those areas begin.
4:34And we're going to talk through what we might have learned from Javante Williams' season last year and how we could potentially
4:40apply that to try to figure out who could be the Javante Williams of 2026.
4:44And maybe even we'll talk about what he's capable of this year because producer Colin is a Cowboys fan, and he will
4:50try to get us talking about as many Cowboys players as we possibly can on this show.
4:55But first, we got to talk about Brandon Sorsby.
4:57And this is such a weird story. Hopefully everybody listening knows who that is.
5:01This is a college player, a Texas Tech transfer.
5:03Now he plans to enter the NFL supplemental draft, according to Yahoo's Ross Dellinger.
5:07And this comes, and I will do a very quick version of the story because there's a lot of detail.
5:13You can go read Ross's story if you want all of that detail.
5:16But this comes after he was facing a potential NCAA ban after alleged gambling violations.
5:20The NCAA denied his appeal. There was a judge that ruled in favor of him in an injunction against the NCAA.
5:26That would have made him eligible to play. Then there was this overnight legal filing sort of threw a wrench in that.
5:32But again, I'm really giving you the short version here.
5:35We're trying to just go through that part quickly so that we can actually talk about it.
5:40But in the end, now he wants to go pro.
5:42And assuming the league grants him that exemption, we will see him in the NFL supplemental draft.
5:47And it's been a minute, Rich, since we've seen a player taken in the NFL supplemental draft and really someone taken in
5:53that draft that has serious fantasy implications, right? We could go back to Josh Gordon.
5:57The Browns took him in round two of the supplemental drafts back in 2012.
6:01Terrell Pryor the year before that to the Raiders.
6:04They took him with a third round pick. But this is kind of new ground when we're talking about a guy that
6:10might have been a round one quarterback in the real NFL draft, depending how things went this year.
6:15And who could potentially be like a legit franchise quarterback.
6:17Some people see him that way. I don't know if I'm quite as high on him.
6:22I would have liked to see him go out there this year and kind of solidify that.
6:26But Rich, let's start. What are your thoughts on Soresby?
6:29How talented is he in your opinion? And what do you think is going to happen here?
6:34Where do you think he'll go in the supplemental draft if, of course, he does end up there, which right now it seems pretty likely.
6:41And maybe even who are some of the teams you think could be interested?
6:45Yeah, I'm flying a little bit blind here just because I don't invest a lot into the college football season.
6:50I do a lot of my draft work backwards just because I'm doing so much NFL work during college football.
6:56Having a family, it's hard to just punt Saturdays completely.
6:58So I'm not familiar with digging into him because he wasn't in this draft class.
7:02So I plugged him in with this news kind of dropping the last couple days.
7:07I plugged him into just my quarterback model to see where he kind of stood out.
7:11And granted, that's not the be-all, end-all, but just kind of an objective take on where he sits.
7:16He is comparable to guys in my model like a Cody Kessler, Desmond Ritter, Quinn Ewers is in here, Brian Brom.
7:22So kind of in that group of guys, not a lot of real big hits in that.
7:26I saw Dane Brugler said first-round talent, kind of fourth-round player.
7:29It seems like the consensus vibes that if there was a team to use a pick on him, it would be rounds
7:35two through four kind of in that area. So typically not like a high hit rate of guys that would kind of deliver.
7:42And so I'll do some more digging throughout the rest of this week and as we get prepared here.
7:47But I am still working way behind on him from an actual scouting him out from a film perspective.
7:52Yeah, don't feel bad, man. I'm the exact same way.
7:55We put all the focus into the NFL and then January comes around and we're trying to play catch up when it comes to the college prospects.
8:02And we definitely dive in at that point, but we're getting to it a little bit later than some of the analysts that are doing it year round.
8:10I also will say like next year's draft class is supposed to be a pretty good one.
8:15So how will that impact how teams are feeling about this, right?
8:18And whether they're willing to use a higher pick on a guy like this or whether it does get pushed back a little more.
8:25I think though, like round three, round four, if we're talking about a quarterback that could have a chance to potentially be
8:31a starter for a team, we know there's a bunch of teams that could use help at quarterback, whether it's the Browns, the Jets.
8:37I mean, the Steelers are still kind of looking for who that could be.
8:41And we saw some teams take guys in that range of the real life draft this year.
8:46But again, going back to like some of those names you just mentioned, if a guy's not going in the first round
8:52of the NFL draft or at least like very early in the second, but if guys aren't going in the first round
8:58NFL draft, the hit rate is just so low for them to become a real strong starter.
9:02We see it happen and we always remember the guys who hit.
9:06We remember the Tom Brady's and the Russell Wilson's and these guys that come on and have great careers, but there's so
9:12many guys that get taken after day one of the draft that don't really amount to much.
9:17So I think people should remember that. Also remember whenever we're talking about prospects that guys get pushed up because their name is in the headlines.
9:24We see it happen with like free agency in the NFL too, right?
9:27Sometimes we overvalue guys that are free agents and get signed to big contracts because we continuously saw their name and headlines
9:33all off season long and people aren't looking at it and providing the correct context.
9:37On top of that, there's like agents and everything trying to push up their values so that they can get more money and all that sort of stuff.
9:45So there's a lot of things to consider there.
9:48We will continue to update that situation as we get more.
9:51I think the other aspect of this though, Rich, is what should people do in their dynasty leagues because a lot of
9:57leagues have already done their rookie drafts for this year.
9:59So it kind of puts people in a weird position.
10:02I think there's like three potential approaches, right? I think you could either just let them process through waivers, which to me
10:08is like kind of boring, but you could do it.
10:11That's sort of like the lazy man's approach. You could just totally block him this year and hold him until next season
10:17and let him enter at that point, which to me feels a little odd.
10:21And then there's the third one that will take a little bit of work, but I think is the most fun and
10:27that's do your own supplemental draft, right? The commissioner is going to have to actually figure this out, but I think that's the approach.
10:33I think, and we have up on the screen for anybody watching Ryan McDowell of dynasty league football, really good dynasty analyst,
10:40been doing it for a long time. This was a form that he has created that he's going to be using in
10:46his leagues where you put in a bid, you use 2027 rookie picks, you use your waiver money, your fab dollars, and
10:52you fill out your bid in a blind bid format and then submit it.
10:55And hopefully, you know, you have the ties broken that way because you can put in what round of pick you want to use.
11:02And then you can also put in how much fab budget you want to put towards it.
11:07It's a little more complicated, but isn't it more fun, Rich?
11:10I think that's what people should be doing. Yeah, I played in a number of leagues with Ryan and he used a
11:16similar format like this for bidding for like a restricted free agency pool.
11:19So this makes a lot of sense where he actually has done the math and shown like what amount of fab is
11:25worth like in terms of rookie picks. So this one does make a lot of sense to me.
11:30The two that I'm in that we're adding him in is one we're doing kind of like the supplemental pick where it's
11:36like, hey, if you want to say you're going to use next year second on him and no one else did, then you get him.
11:43And the other one is just like going through waivers.
11:46He said, which is boring, but I'm also in a couple that run.
11:50We run the draft before the actual NFL draft, which I think is the best format to do dynasty football because you
11:56don't get bailed out by the NFL draft. So we already had some good players already in there that just, you know,
12:02stuck in through draft capital alone, right? Like when Caleb Douglas goes to the third round, you're like, all right, well, he's going to be a pickup.
12:09This is going to be a pickup when the win the waivers come around.
12:13So him jumping into waivers and that is not that big a deal because there always are some hot names that end
12:19up getting some kind of funky draft capital every year.
12:22Well, I also tell people too, and I feel like I say this a bunch on the show, but you should be having fun with this.
12:29Like sometimes we talk about fantasy football and dynasty, especially where we're always trying to win.
12:33And don't get me wrong. I'm like the most competitive person out there, but still like have some fun with it.
12:39If you can come up with a way like this to kind of make it more enjoyable and make it more interesting,
12:45just take a little bit of extra effort and do that.
12:48And I'll also say our buddy Ian Harditz, I run a commission league with him in it.
12:53And he was messaging me this morning going like, are we going to do a supplemental draft?
12:57Are we going to do a supplemental draft? So I think he is interested in Sorsby and we're definitely going to do a supplemental draft in that one.
13:05So like I said, we're going to continue to update this situation here.
13:09There's going to be more that comes out on this, including a potential pro day that he might have.
13:14There's going to be lots of stuff to talk about.
13:17And then once we figure out where his landing spot will be, that'll be even another step.
13:21But we will go over all of that when it happens.
13:24Don't worry, folks. Just want to mention it off the top here because I thought it was an interesting piece of news that came out yesterday.
13:32And this time of year, we're not getting that many pieces of news that we would talk about off the top of the show.
13:38But we're going to take our first break here.
13:41When we come back, Rich and I are going to start digging into the running back position, including where the running back
13:47cliff is in 2026 drafts right after this. We are back with Rich Rebar of Sharp Football, one of the best analysts in the industry.
13:54And Rich, whenever the running back conversation comes up, I feel like I get two big questions from people every year now.
14:00And it wasn't like this a long time ago.
14:02I think this is more, you know, in the last five, six years.
14:06People want to know where's that running back cliff and where's the running back dead zone?
14:10Like these terms that have kind of been, you know, become more a little more popular in recent years.
14:15So I'm curious where you see those existing this year.
14:18And for the running back cliff, in my mind, I think we're pretty solid through like 24 running backs.
14:23I kind of feel pretty good about that would take us to DeAndre Swift.
14:27Then we have Janarian Price at RB25, Bachel Tootin at RB26, Chuba Hubbard at RB27, Ramondre Stevenson next at RB28, and RJ Harvey at RB29.
14:34We're going to get into some of the specifics about these backfields and about these running backs in a bit here.
14:40But where do you see the running back cliff in this year's draft?
14:43Is it in that range? Is it earlier? Is it somewhere else?
14:47How are you viewing this? The running back dead zone is a very nebulous definition, you know, depending, you know, what streets
14:53you kind of come from or how you adhere it.
14:55But, you know, when it first kind of originated, I think for a lot of gamers was, you know, a lot from
15:01like the Sean Siegel, Antifragility, you know, zero RB kind of, you know, spike.
15:05And what has happened though, you know, post COVID in from terms of an NFL meta stance has shifted so much.
15:11Typically, like the way I've always treated the dead zone was that kind of RB2-ish zone or when the running back position
15:17started to fall behind the wide receiver position in terms of, you know, outright scoring.
15:21I mean, if you have been in a league that, you know, has inherently, you know, started three wide receivers, you know
15:27that you just need more receivers on your roster than running backs because they occupy, you know, more starting requirements.
15:33You need more allocation to them. And then from a flex stance, really good flex stance is wide receivers at a certain
15:39portion of the draft, which was typically, like I said, the RB2 zone, like starting around like that RB12, RB13 range.
15:45They just weren't scoring as many points as the wide receivers.
15:48So that's where, you know, we saw that spike in terms of, you know, the zero RB, the Antifragility, the anchor running
15:54back, the wide receiver ever drafting take like this huge spike.
15:57Well, what has happened though, these last couple of years though, is that that zone now has started to outscore the wide receiver grouping in that area.
16:04We actually have a kind of a new dead zone.
16:07It's the wide receiver dead zone, which is, it's kind of oscillated to that position in that same area of the draft.
16:13And there are a couple of reasons for that.
16:15You know, I've talked to, you know, your, your, your co-host Matt about this a lot.
16:20You know, we've seen with the reduction of, you know, the 11 personnel, the pure slot receiver teams are moving their alpha
16:26wide receiver around at different positions more than ever.
16:28We're starting to see like target shares be more condensed.
16:31We're starting to see more guys flirt with like, a 30% range of target shares and higher.
16:36And we would very rarely ever approach that. Like 25% was always like, wow, you got a 25% target share.
16:41You're really cooking with the wide receiver one. Now we're starting to see these guys really kind of hone in around that 30%.
16:47Sometimes even guys pushing higher in terms of like a games played stance, like a JSN last year.
16:52But what that has in turn has happened though, is that the secondary and ancillary wide receivers has been like a lot
16:58more of a lull than those guys. They're not scoring as many points as the running backs in this era where the
17:05running games and heavier sets have started to take hold.
17:07And I'd love to be someone to say like, all right, now running backs are more expensive than ever.
17:13I'd love to zig when everyone's zagging. But also like when we look at what happened with this NFL draft and where the NFL landscape is right now.
17:20I mean, how could you possibly be bullish on that?
17:23Right? Like passing is still down. Wide receiver production is insanely down right now.
17:27I mean, when you look at just what happened last year, I mean, 2025 wide receivers had their lowest rate of league-wide
17:33targets, league-wide receptions, league-wide yards, league-wide touchdowns over the past 20 years.
17:36And like I said, the draft wasn't particularly good for the quarterback position or the running back or the wide receivers and
17:42definitely even not even the running back position. So it still feels like we're going to be in this defensive kind of meta to stance.
17:49So it's like, man, how do we not kind of get caught up into this like wake of like still taking like
17:55these running backs with a little more ADP juice than we have in recent years and still emphasizing kind of the wide receiver ones above the secondary tiers.
18:03So I still look at it this year and I'm kind of, you know, adjusting it down to where we've been the
18:09last couple of years where it's around like that wide receiver three range, like that's where the running back range is.
18:15So I'm like with you, not on a particularly name basis, but like that RB kind of like 27, 28 ish range
18:21is where I am looking at drafts and saying like, all right, this is kind of the spot where wide receiver really
18:27starts to catch up with the running back group.
18:29And then I'm sure we'll pull through in a bunch of nuggets, but that's like my long-winded answer of where we are right now.
18:36So are what you tell me then here is that you feel like it's kind of like never been more important to
18:42hit on the guys like in this range and try to find that like next Javante Williams or am I jumping to conclusions there?
18:48Well, you can play it. You can play it two ways, right?
18:52Like if you're going to wait, then yes, it's, it's above most important that you hit with guys in this range.
18:57But also, I mean, this is the spot now where I say, well, you start to look at these guys, I might
19:04already have two or three running backs in my roster right now.
19:07And then this is where I'm just badgering wide receiver, right?
19:10Like I really think the strength of the wide receiver position, it has more to do with that like wide receiver 20
19:16to wide receiver 50, I think is probably the best kind of pocket to be gobbling up wide receivers outside of just,
19:22you know, getting your one guy at the top, right?
19:25Like those, that top tennis range are still really strong.
19:27Yeah. That's what we had talked up last year.
19:30Like crazy, like round five to round seven was just loaded with guys.
19:33And yeah, so many of them went off. I think for me, like in terms of that drop off.
19:39Yeah, that's, it's where I'm like RB 28. I know we didn't want to talk maybe too much about specific names here,
19:45but I can still see Ramondre having a big role.
19:48I expect more from Travion Henderson, but I could see Ramondre having a big enough role that I would be comfortable having
19:54him in that RB two slot potentially for me.
19:56And you know, those guys that I mentioned earlier, like it gets kind of tricky in that range, right?
20:01Like they have red flags. There's a ton of upside with some of these names like price and tootin like, but there's also concerns in that area.
20:09So I really wouldn't argue with anyone if they wanted to put it in a specific spot here for me, I would
20:15say kind of RB 28 and we sort of shift to a different tier into a different area after that.
20:20Yeah, 100%. That's the area. And like I said, you might have names that kind of flip in order, but I think
20:26when you put these guys up against the other positions in actual terms of ADP, when you start to get to like
20:32these names, you start to see like, all right, I feel a lot stronger about the wide receivers in context versus these guys.
20:39And then that brings us back to Javante Williams, who last year, it was like insane.
20:43He was going like RB 40 at this point in drafts.
20:46And that lasted like well into the summer. He was going way outside of the top 100 picks.
20:51I know the spots that I actually ended up with him, and I will admit this, it was almost like reluctantly.
20:57I don't know about you. I wasn't really interested in getting him, but he would fall to a point, especially in like analyst drafts that we do.
21:04Right. He would fall to a point. You'd go like, all right, I kind of have to take him now that he's,
21:10you know, fall 10th, 11th round sometimes. And it worked out.
21:13It was fantastic. He finishes at the RB 12 and fantasy points per game among qualified running backs.
21:18The one guy that gets bumped out there is Cam Scadaboo because he only played, you know, half the season or so there.
21:25But over 1300 scrimmage yards, 13 touchdowns for Javante.
21:27Just an incredible season any way you look at it.
21:30And he's only 26 years old. It feels like he's been around forever, Rich.
21:34But I think he still has some tread left on the tires here.
21:37Is there anything that you think we could take away from, you know, his outlook last year, from how things went down,
21:43maybe what we missed to kind of help us identify before we talk about some of these candidates to be the Javante Williams for 2026?
21:50Anything that you think we could take away that could help us with that?
21:54Well, he was a, he was the guy I got super lucky on with him and Travis, you know, ETN or HN, I don't know.
22:01Was it official? What we're supposed to call him?
22:03Is it, does he decide? Yeah, we're going more than the HN, HN way.
22:07Harmon and I have argued about this. I have a bit of a French background to the Canadian in me.
22:13So I was sort of pronouncing it that way.
22:15Most of the time, Harmon gives me a hard time about that.
22:18But regardless, yeah, we're HN, we'll go with HN.
22:21Yeah. My advice last year was if you were, you, if you were at ADP drafting a Travion Henderson or an RJ
22:27Harvey, because remember by the time we got to the end of the summer, Travion sometimes was flirting with like a third round pick.
22:33And then Harvey was like in that four or five range.
22:37I was saying, you know, Hey, you want to grab a Javante Williams or Travis HN to pair with one of these
22:43guys, because you're going to need a bridge to win these.
22:46You hope these guys take over. It turns out they were just the bridge.
22:49You know, we did. We did have moments where both those guys got the start and we got to constantly start them in terms of opportunity.
22:57But it turns out, you know, luck boxing into Javante Williams or Travis, you know, HN just based on team structure worked out.
23:03But they both those guys. I think when you look at like historical hits, they did check a lot of boxes, one ambiguous backfields.
23:09We know that ambiguous backfields have always been relatively hits in terms of, you know, gleaming value from.
23:14And then both of those guys ended up playing in offenses that were really just strong.
23:19Obviously the Cowboys, a lot of gamers figure that they had the potential to be like kind of NFC bangles last year.
23:25But, you know, the Jaguars making a huge step up.
23:28Remember, both of these guys really weren't that good of players, especially the back half of the year.
23:33I mean, Javante Williams, the final nine games, he only had 100 total yards in one game and it was 101.
23:38Travis HN, the final back half the year after their bye was literally at the bottom of the league in like almost every rushing metric.
23:45But he had a full workload and an offense that was producing points and he wasn't coming off the field.
23:51And that's enough, right? I think when you last year in general at running back had a number of, you know, these types of players, right?
23:58I mean, not even just Javante and HN, but like Christian McCaffrey wasn't that highly effective a player last year when you
24:04get 400 touches in an offense that's really good.
24:06You can catch the ball, right? Chase Brown, another one of these guys like hasn't really been the most like gleaming efficient back these past years.
24:14And you play in an offense and you have a lion's share in the backfield.
24:18I mean, speaking of a lion's shares like Jameer Gibbs, I think there's a misconception of like how good of a player
24:24he was the back half of last year, but he ended up getting career high usage and targets.
24:29He had those big games against the Giants and commanders because everyone else did.
24:32But the Lions offensive line really struggled the back half of the year.
24:36And Gibbs is a runner particularly struggled, but he caught a bunch of passes when he was in a team scoring points.
24:42And like that still matters first. I think at the running back, probably the one position for fantasy football.
24:47Where we kind of still are operating at the most like talent agnostic.
24:51And I mean, talent like loose. Like these are as these guys are NFL players, right?
24:55Like within context. But like opportunity and your role in an offense, like those things in offensive environment, like they still matter significantly in fantasy football.
25:02The other thing that stood out to me is like there was almost no risk in investing in these backfields.
25:08Like, I don't know why I didn't factor that in more because in past years, I feel like I had, but especially
25:14like looking at that Cowboys backfield, like where Javante was going, even if you did believe in Jaden Blue or Phil Moffa
25:20or whoever else they had there who you thought might have a chance to get some touches.
25:25Or if you look at the Jags, right? With Tootin there, with Bigsby there, like none of those guys were going that high.
25:31You could have grabbed a couple of them. You could have grabbed even all of them if you really wanted to just
25:37lock down those backfields and hope that someone emerged.
25:40I'm not saying that's the best approach, obviously, you know, trying to figure out who's going to be that guy is the best way to go.
25:47But I feel like that was the one thing about the Cowboys backfield last year was like almost overvaluing the younger guys
25:53there and expecting that they were just going to come in and whether it's because the type of player that Javante Williams
25:59is, whether it's because the injury history, just really not believing that he could come through in the way that he did.
26:05I really feel like that for me was where I made that mistake.
26:08Overvaluing the competition and not just realizing this is an ambiguous backfield.
26:12Just grab pieces of it and let's see how it works out.
26:15Yeah. And we're going to have this again with these rookie running backs, you know, not, you know, not Jeremiah Love to
26:21the, to the same degree because the draft capital he received.
26:24But when you looked at the guys last year, like we talked about the Travion going in that, getting that elevated capitals
26:30the summer went on or RJ Harvey, like these are still guys from an archetypical stance that are like 200 pound explosive type runners.
26:37And we got kind of spoiled, I think for some major hits.
26:40Obviously we had the other HN, you know, Devon HN hit in that bucket.
26:44And then Jameer Gibbs. But you, we forget too, a lot of times these coaches, like these, this arc type of player,
26:50like you still need to be like really good in pass protection.
26:53You need to be able to be trusted in short yardage.
26:56And both of those players ran into kind of those issues to open up their careers.
27:01And they fell behind some guys that really pushed them like a JK Dobbins early in the year before his injury.
27:06Like they, they starkly use those guys in a different manner in the offense.
27:10And the same thing with Ramondre and Henderson until late, late in the year when just like, they just outright trusted Stevenson
27:16a lot more in the, in the postseason. So when we look at a guy like Jadarian Price, like he's still in like that bucket of guys, right?
27:24Like he's, he's a 200 pound back. We don't really have a huge sample of production from him because he's the fewest
27:30touches of any first running back ever. And you know, he's going to a team that wants to play a lot of
27:36football where they're running the ball and they're running in short yards.
27:39And it's like, Oh, we have to take a leap of faith in that, that stance.
27:44Right. Even though the situation looks really good. So could they end up playing like one of these boring guys over him
27:50just because they don't trust him in pass protection or trust him in short yards?
27:54Like those exist in the range of outcomes for these guys.
27:57So it's something to always factor into. All right.
27:59So after that conversation, I'm taking away ambiguous backfields, which we know we've talked about for years, strong offenses.
28:05We're looking at that a full workload over talent.
28:07I think that is when it comes to running backs, the correct approach and trusted in pass protection and in short yardage
28:13and that how that bumps up the value. I think that's the good takeaway from there that we can bring into the rest of the show.
28:20But we're going to go to break here. When we return, we're going to talk through the candidates to be this year's Javante Williams.
28:27We'll be right back with that. So stick around.
28:29All right. We have finally made it to the heart of the show where we are going to discuss who could be this year's Javante Williams in fantasy.
28:37So welcome to flip the script. And again, this doesn't have to be a player that's exactly like Javante Williams was in 2025.
28:43I mean, we say this on every show that you're probably not going to get an identical type player and identical type outcome.
28:50But we're just trying to use this as a vehicle to talk about some of these different backfields and some of these
28:56players that we could see emerge this year. So we're looking at a running back going outside the top 24 at the position.
29:02That we can tell a story about them finishing as a starting caliber fantasy running back, potentially even an RB one for fantasy.
29:08Williams was just an insane version of that going in the 10th round last summer and, you know, coming through the way
29:14that he did in that Cowboys offense. There's a couple of guys that we've already mentioned that we could talk about here,
29:21but I think we should discount like, you know, Jadarian Price, like Basial Tootin.
29:24I think we got to take those guys out of the conversation.
29:28They're too good. I think they would just be too obvious.
29:31So we're going to remove them. They kind of fit in terms of what we're talking about for ADPs, but those guys,
29:37I have a lot of confidence in this season.
29:39And I think a lot of people are going to be drafting them high.
29:43So we're going to deem them overqualified for this one.
29:46Let's get to the players who we think are in contention and then we're going to narrow it down to three finalists,
29:52Rich, and then we will pick a winner. And we'll start with some backfields here that have serious splits.
29:57I mean, I'm looking at the Panthers with Chuba Hubbard, Jonathan Brooks, the Patriots with Armandre Stevenson, who we already talked about
30:03earlier and Travion Henderson, the Steelers with Jalen Warren and Rico Dowdle, the Broncos and the trio backs they have there now,
30:09RJ Harvey, JK Dobbins and Jonah Coleman. And there may be a little less exciting, the Vikings, right?
30:14Aaron Jones, Jordan Mason, possibly DeMond Claiborne factoring in there as well.
30:17Let's go back to the top of that list though, with the Panthers backfield.
30:21I think a lot of people right now are hyping up Jonathan Brooks and it's cool.
30:26It is awesome to see him back on a football field doing things after multiple ACL tears.
30:30It takes a lot of time. He missed many games, but he is back out there now doing some things and looking
30:36pretty good the way he's moving around. I could also make an argument though, I think for Chuba Hubbard having value in Carolina.
30:43How do you feel about these guys? The younger back who's trying to make this like miraculous return or the older back
30:49who's only one year removed from having a very good fantasy season himself back in 2024?
30:53Yeah. I mean, Chuba Hubbard was this guy, right?
30:56It did 2024. Yeah. He was kind of the hit in this range where he was like a lower end pick and
31:02then got that full workload, got that contract extension.
31:04So he definitely already kind of checks the box of already having done it.
31:08We know that they want to run the football in Carolina.
31:11I mean, this is a team that was 29th and passed rate over expectation last year.
31:15I'm very curious to see what they do this offseason with Bryce Young, especially if they end up having like a similar
31:21situation because they were just outright hiding him at points last year.
31:25The back half of the year, I mean, the Carolina backfield, they were 30th in success rate, 29th in yards per carry, no explosive runs.
31:32They were 29th in explosive run rate over that stance.
31:34So the door is open here for if this organization doesn't get a lot out of Chuba Hubbard early on to kind of push him.
31:41Now Hubbard himself was playing through a calf injury.
31:44You know, there's definitely an excuse to be made for why his efficiency kind of tailed off, you know, last year.
31:49But if he just doesn't hit the ground running, you know, so to speak, you know, no pun intended, like the door is open.
31:56They're just open up and say, hey, Jonathan Brooks, we use the second round pick on you.
32:01If you remember that year, Jonathan Brooks was coming off of his first ACL.
32:05He immediately started to work his way into the rotation when he was back.
32:08And then, you know, unfortunately had that setback with the second ACL.
32:12And I'm also no doctor, but there was a lot of people that believe like coming back from the second one is actually he's going to be stronger.
32:19You know, again, I'm no doctor, not going to play one here either.
32:23But there seems to be a vote of confidence for his him actually like the good not being as huge of a red flag.
32:30Right. I guess, so to speak, or it's like because like the layman's I'm like, oh, two ACLs like this dude might be cooked.
32:36Right. And a lot of people like, no, like he actually could be in a better shape.
32:41So like, we'll see what happens with that. But I think it's going to be Hubbard early in on a run heavy offense.
32:47And then if he just like I said, it's it's going to be how he starts the year to how he distanced themselves.
32:53If the gap is like pretty, he saying is the gap could be tight early.
32:58And once that happens, then all bets are off for how long he can hold off Jonathan Brooks in terms of turning
33:04into a timeshare or to overtaking him. So this one to me, I'm taking both these guys and taking shots on both of them.
33:10So I know that this team wants to run the football.
33:13And like I said, we've seen Hubbard already be good.
33:16I think Brooks is capable. But from a confidence stance, like this one is as up in the air to me as
33:22the other one, more so than the other ones that you have coming down the pipeline.
33:26Yeah, I agree with you. Going back to the Brooks thing, I think one of the things that his favorite, right, the
33:33fact that he's just turning 23 in July and he's still so young, he's like the age of some of the rookies coming out.
33:39Like that certainly gives him a chance to still get his career back on track here.
33:44So that keeps him exciting. I just keep coming back to like Hubbard and that season two years ago, right?
33:49Huge stats over 1300 yards, 11 touchdowns. And last season, I think people are going to look at that and say, okay, he fell off.
33:56He's not that great of a back, but I think he was hurt.
33:59And I think when Rico Dowdle started playing very well and putting up those monster games, you know, a pair of 200
34:05yard plus games that he had, we talked about this on the show.
34:09Harmon and I did. I think Hubbard rushed back.
34:12I think he was worried about getting Wally pipped and he rushed himself back because he did not look like the same player.
34:18And really last year, I'm kind of writing off to a bit of a lost season.
34:22So it would not surprise me at all. If Hubbard comes out and holds Brooks off early, we see Brooks get involved, but it would really shock me.
34:30I think if all of a sudden Brooks comes back, takes this job and is a workhorse and the kind of guy
34:36that's just going to blow this thing out of the water and blow up for fantasy, maybe down the stretch, like you
34:42said, maybe in the second half of the season, little by little, he chips away at it.
34:47But I still think Hubbard has something to say about this job.
34:50And I don't think he's going to go away quietly, even though I think a lot of people fantasy manager wise are
34:56looking at last season and kind of writing him off a little bit here.
35:00Speaking of like the veteran guy with the younger guy in his backfield and a guy, you know, people are kind of
35:06waiting for him to move aside, but maybe he will.
35:09Maybe he won't. Ramondre Stevenson with the Patriots. I said RB 28 in his ADP right now.
35:13Lots of debate about what Henderson could do this season.
35:16Are we going to see that natural progression that we see in most backfields where the younger guy just eventually takes over
35:22or can Stevenson continue to hold down that job as the lead back, continue to keep this a committee, which would still
35:28make him a value for fantasy because I think at RB 28, even if he is sharing that backfield with Henderson, I
35:34think you make an argument that Stevenson could certainly be in fantasy lineups.
35:38Do you think he could be a candidate to be Javante Williams in 2026?
35:42I mean, from just a ceiling perspective, I mean, he still has to be, I think the most alluring name of all
35:48the guys that we're going to cover in this pocket.
35:50Right. Cause like, we're talking about like a potential outcome of like that Gibbsian level, right?
35:55That Devon H. Han level like this, even as a rookie.
35:58And it's, it's funny when you look at like, and you take a step back from Henderson's rookie season and you're like,
36:04there was like this level of disappointment from a guy who his first year in the NFL had 1100 yards and 10 touchdowns.
36:10Right. Like, but it does because he was, he caught that steam and he was a high draft pick.
36:15Like the second he returned that kickoff in that preseason game, it was, it was, we were cooked.
36:20Like it was over. But you still had four touchdown runs of 50 or more yards as the most in the NFL.
36:26Like he, this is an explosive guy. It was the most 50 yard touchdown runs by a rookie since Saquon in 2018.
36:33He had multiple games with multiple 50 yard touchdown runs that hadn't been done since Chris Johnson in the CJ2K year.
36:38Like this guy on a per touch basis still showcased what everyone was excited about coming in.
36:43It was the ancillary stuff that bogged him down.
36:45And this is why I always, you know, harp on people like, and we did talk about this a lot with like
36:51Kenyon Sadiq, like Travion Henderson, you heard about like, he was a willing pass protector in college and he was a good pass protector in college.
36:59But what happened was, is he's still a 203 pound guy and when you get in the NFL, 200 pounds is still 200 pounds.
37:05And he had a big adjustment period in terms of pass protection.
37:09And he was getting over his skis early on, picked up some penalties early on, kind of dog housed him a little bit.
37:15Cause remember he was sharing work with Antonio Gibson to start the year too, because Gibson was just playing that role better.
37:21Um, particularly remember that Miami dolphins game too, like just being so frustrated.
37:24Henderson picked up like two holding penalties and like got dog housed early in that game.
37:29Um, and that just really kind of hurt him.
37:31And we saw in the post season when the chips were on the table and the Patriots started to face real pass
37:37rushes for the first time all year, it was, it was all Ramondre Stevenson.
37:41I mean, he, he played Ramondre played 71% of post season snaps.
37:45He outtouched Henderson 70 to 35 and really conceded a handful of snaps because he got like his eye poked in the
37:51Houston game and missed like a whole quarter of that game.
37:54But he was just more trusted in those situations.
37:56So now you say, all right, Trayvon Henderson, you got a year under your belt.
38:00We're looking for you to come back and work on these areas.
38:03And does he make that jump? Right. Cause I think if he does make that jump and he's more trustworthy in those
38:10situations, it's going to be hard to keep him out of the field.
38:13Like we've seen this story before. We just lived it with Gibbs and Montgomery, right?
38:17Like David Montgomery is an excellent football player and he was an excellent football player last year as well.
38:22But when teams just realized like they have this guy in the bottle and like you can just uncork it and it's all coming together.
38:29It's hard to keep that player off the football field.
38:32So a lot's going to come down to Henderson and the growth he has, I think in the passing game, you know,
38:38protecting Drake may also the Patriots quietly like made some really nice moves on the offensive line this year.
38:43You know, granted there's a step of faith, you know, can Elijah Vera Tucker, you know, stay healthy.
38:48But they've got like a real versatile group of guys that can now move around positions.
38:53So I think if they run into the same situation where like Will Campbell is struggling, obviously Jared Wilson's moving back to
38:59center this year now with the addition of Vera Tucker, but they've got a lot of guys that can move around multiple positions.
39:05We've seen in when he's played like everywhere to this point in his career too.
39:09So at AJ Brown, like this still feels like an offense one you want to invest in because we believe they're going
39:15to be good and like a player that still has like an immense ceiling.
39:19So I get it. You look at the postseason and you're like, all right, I'm going to have pumped the breaks.
39:25Maybe even still take Ramondre still in some spots where he falls.
39:28But this is still a player that from a ceiling outcome, like I'm scared of other gamers in my league still ending up with Travion Henderson.
39:35Yeah. Yeah. And there's a couple of things with that too.
39:38Like if he had come out last year when he got the opportunities, when Stevenson was sidelined and fallen on his face, just been kind of mediocre.
39:46He didn't. He had some really big games, right?
39:48He produced for fantasy. He was coming through. So that gives you hope for the future.
39:53The other thing I keep coming back to when it comes to the playoffs is they were facing some of like the
39:59toughest run defenses and it wasn't like Stevenson was putting up good stats.
40:02He was just getting those touches because like you said, they didn't want to make mistakes, but he wasn't putting up good numbers.
40:09They weren't having success on the ground. So I also feel like that, like they were trying to make that push.
40:14They were just trying to eco those wins. Their defense was playing so strong that they went with the more veteran guy.
40:20That's not necessarily in my mind, something that's going to be super indicative of the future.
40:25I think they are still going to make that transition to Henderson.
40:28So Stevenson in the conversation here, but him holding off Henderson for the bulk of the season, that would also surprise me,
40:34but we'll put a pin in that one. The Panthers one is certainly interesting.
40:38Stevenson could be in the running here. What about the Steelers backfield?
40:41We talked about Rico Dowd on those huge games that he had for the Panthers.
40:45Now he's in Pittsburgh. Jalen Warren's had a bunch of chances here to take over this job, to be that like lead guy, that workhorse guy.
40:53He's not that player. They continue to have him in some sort of tandem last year.
40:57Of course, it was with Kenny Gainwell who had a great season there.
41:00Now Dowdell's around. Dowdell has the history with Mike McCarthy, who's the coach there now.
41:05Are any of these backs in Pittsburgh catching your eye as a possible Javante type player this year?
41:10I mean, there's potential here for, you know, probably if it's, I think it's more tied to contingency.
41:14If I think this group is more tied to contingency than possibly the others.
41:18Cause like I said, I think we can just see Henderson.
41:21If he's that good, he's going to play more.
41:24And then the same thing, you know, with Chuba Hubbard and John Brooks, like they're going to play.
41:29That's if it opens the hot hand. And this one, I still see like kind of being compartmentalized, like largely most of the season.
41:35Right. And this is the worst kind of compartmentalization because I think that they view these guys largely interchangeably, which we don't like, right?
41:42Like it's, it's different when guys have set roles and you can still kind of play like the game of like trying
41:48to predict how the game script goes. I think when you look at Jalen Warren, Rico Dowdle, the Steelers probably think that
41:54these guys could just be used in all capacities.
41:57Right. Like, and that, that's where it gets tough.
41:59And when guys are in the same roles and it's like, all right, then it's like a true hot hands.
42:05It's just right. The Panthers, the end of last year, remember?
42:08Like we couldn't play any Panthers backs at the end of last year because they just viewed those guys kind of like,
42:14all right, we'll play the hot hand. No one had it.
42:17But Jalen Warren is a guy. I still think it's too good.
42:20Like his resume is still too good. I think just get ISO just because Rico Dowdle has some ties to Mike McCarthy.
42:26We don't have any full sample of Rico Dowdle.
42:28So giving us a wire to wire, like good fantasy season.
42:31He's had pockets the past two years where he's looked good, but never wired a wire been like a guy that's been like locked down like a backfield.
42:39And you can say the same thing, I guess, supposedly for Jalen Warren, but Jalen Warren still has like this, this lengthy
42:45history since the NFL where he's like top 10 in almost like every rushing metric.
42:49He's taken on more work every year of his career.
42:52Um, so this one to me, I haven't really been drafting either of these guys because they just fall in like a
42:58pocket where, um, I much feel better, much more strongly about the wide receivers in this area.
43:03The Steelers also have, you know, no more Arthur Smith.
43:06So how much is the backfield going to get?
43:08Like we always knew we can count on with Arthur Smith when it comes to the backfield.
43:13They had pass catcher and Michael Pittman. So this is just one I haven't really been drafting either of these guys.
43:18I'll let you try to push a big sale on one of them for me.
43:23I think if I'm taking one of them, it's Dowdle.
43:25He's the one that I've ended up with more shares of.
43:28And it's just, you know, there aren't many running backs that have posted over 1300 scrimmage yards each of the past two seasons.
43:35And shockingly, somehow he's one of them. I know the way that it's happened hasn't necessarily been the most natural.
43:40And, you know, over the course of the full season, he's done it consistently last year.
43:45Of course, those huge games did a lot of the heavy lifting, but we've seen him produce.
43:49We've seen him produce it in a big way for fantasy.
43:52And we've seen him kind of weirdly emerge now from two backfields where we weren't sure where he was going to fit in.
43:59And he's done it two straight seasons where he's become that guy and proven himself with the Cowboys.
44:04And then last year, of course, over to a cupboard, there was an injury involved there, but he ended up having those
44:10big, meaningful games at that point in the season.
44:12So if I'm drafting one of them, it's Dowdle.
44:15I agree with you. I don't necessarily think we're going to see a monster season from either of them.
44:20So that kind of makes it unfortunate. We're talking about a guy that could have that RB1 campaign.
44:25It's probably going to take an injury here and could take an injury could really make anybody that we're talking about today
44:31move up into, you know, the top 12, top 15, if there's enough injuries around him, clearing the space, as we said
44:37earlier, when it comes to workload for running back.
44:39So we'll leave it at that for the Steelers for now.
44:42We'll go to the Broncos. Any hope for Caleb Johnson?
44:45Do you have any hope for Caleb Johnson? No, zero hope for Caleb Johnson.
44:49He's got to go to a different team. We need him to change teams.
44:53It is over for him in Pittsburgh. And we might see that happen.
44:56That was for the three people that wanted to know.
44:59We had to throw him out there for the three people there.
45:02I have one. I have one dynasty share. And every time I look at it, I just get a little bit sad inside.
45:09But yeah, I can't trade him. And the Steelers probably can't trade him.
45:12Maybe we'll see him get released at some point and end up somewhere else and get another chance to get his career
45:18going for this Broncos running back room. This is one we're going to talk about three guys here and Harvey and Dobbins and now Coleman in the mix.
45:26What are your thoughts there? I think this is a good offense.
45:29It qualifies there. Is it ambiguous? We're going to have a bunch of guys involved.
45:33We're even saying that Coleman might have a role early in the season, that he's not just necessarily that Dobbins injury replacement.
45:39What are you expecting here from this backfield? Do you really think that one of these guys might just emerge out of this three man committee?
45:47No, because it's Sean Payton's history. We have a whole Sean Payton history to lead on here too as well.
45:52It's a bummer because I definitely think there's a place in the multiverse where J.K.
45:56Dobbins career is just thriving, right? Like there's evidence because the thing about everything this guy's been through and like he still
46:02has been productive, like especially even these past two years, it's just we cannot count on him to stay on the football field at this point.
46:09I mean, he missed the final seven games last year.
46:12He's been hurt every year of his career. He's missed four more games every year, every year of his career.
46:18So it's just, it's tough to count on. You're granted you're injury prone to you're not, but they are also, I think,
46:24going to factor in that and his utilization, which we saw last year.
46:27Denver ran the ball 56% of the time on J.K.
46:30Dobbins' snaps. Like he was not involved in the pass game at all.
46:34He had 37 receiving yards. Like, so we're not going to get that type of run out.
46:38So you still need that to kind of smash or the inverse is like he's the guy that scores what 14, 12 to 14 touchdowns.
46:45Like that's the only outcome that you have from a fantasy football stance.
46:49We also did get like this news this week that R.J.
46:52Harvey tore his labrum in that playoff game against the Patriots and had offseason surgery.
46:56It doesn't seem like it's going to like something that's hugely pressing.
46:59But if you know, he just lets Jonah Coleman get on the field, you know, in terms of training camp, right.
47:05And just try to make a name for himself.
47:07Like that's still just an opening of the door.
47:10Another one that wasn't available because when R.J. Harvey, you know, took the field last year out of necessity to the degree
47:16that they had to elevate his role after the J.K.
47:19Dobbins injury, I mean, he flatlined. I mean, this, he was one of the most inefficient backs in the NFL behind an offensive line.
47:25That is one of the best in the NFL.
47:28I mean, out of a, there were 49 running backs and 100 more carries last year.
47:32R.J. Harvey, 42nd in yards per carry, 41st in success rate, 47th in explosive run rate.
47:36Which we thought coming out of UCF also. Big red flag, always Gus Malzahn running backs.
47:4139th in, you know, rate of runs that gained no yardage.
47:4442nd in yards after contact. So it wasn't even like one of these things like he was punished by his offensive line and was creating on his own.
47:52So Jonah Coleman is one of these players that's a complete wild card because Jonah Coleman doesn't have a lot of like super spades.
47:58But you know what he does? He does, he does a lot of things that just coaches like at a baseline level to good level.
48:05He kind of has that in his toolkit where he's just like, hey, I'm going to get, I'm going to have a high success rate.
48:12I'm going to get not strikeout runs. I might not run for 40 a pop, but I'm going to get you a
48:18lot of fours and fives when they should be twos and threes.
48:21And I'll get you sevens and eights when they should be fours and fives.
48:25He's really good in pass protection. Granted, like I said, grain of salt always from a prospect coming into the NFL, but he's willing.
48:32He talks about the emphasis on why he thinks that's important in his game.
48:36He doesn't fumble and he can catch the football.
48:38So he's a wild card because he has, I think, more of a complete package in terms of utilization to how he can be used in the offense.
48:46It's just what doors open for him in year one.
48:49He could be a guy that's just caught in like the wake of, hey, they're going to run this back where Harvey
48:55is the passing down back and Dobbins is the early down back.
48:58And maybe we see a little bit of Coleman in for a couple of snaps per game, or one of the doors
49:04gets open from one of these guys, just not playing that strongly.
49:07And Coleman can step into the other guy's role and start carving into that.
49:11So he is a guy that's particularly interesting because I do think from a three down perspective, he offers the most of
49:17the three guys where the other two guys I think are best in the roles they were in last year.
49:23Yeah, I find myself investing in this backfield and it's Coleman who's the one that I'm taking and it's because he's going
49:29so late and it's because of everything you just said there.
49:32I think he was brought in to kind of be that Dobbins replacement.
49:35I don't think the Broncos are foolish about the fact that Dobbins gets hurt every single season and they need to have another plan.
49:42And Harvey's almost like the opposite of what we talked about with Travion Henderson, right?
49:46Where Henderson got his opportunity and really flashed. It was making some big plays.
49:50It was scoring touchdowns. Harvey was getting by. He was having some OK fantasy games, but he wasn't looking like a guy
49:56who was destined to be a strong starter for this offense for many seasons.
50:00And then you bake in the injury and all that sort of stuff.
50:03I also think with Harvey and Coleman, they're younger.
50:06Yeah, no, exactly. And I think those guys are a little bit younger and I'm kind of adding an extra element here,
50:12the Javante Williams thing, but they're younger. I think there's still a little bit of intrigue around them, a little bit of excitement.
50:18Whereas I keep coming back with this backfield. If we want to find like a JK Dobbins type at him coming through
50:24to be that next Javante Williams, if he stays healthy, does that, that qualifies, does it?
50:29If JK Dobbins finally stays healthy, that shocks us all.
50:31That comes, he comes through because he's been really good.
50:34He's been good for fantasy. Like you said, he is a good back.
50:38The durability concerns are the thing that would be maybe the funniest outcome.
50:41It would be awesome to see. I'm rooting for that to happen.
50:44I don't think necessarily it's the most likely outcome, but JK Dobbins staying healthy, coming through with a full fantasy season.
50:50He probably would finish like top 12, top 15, have a great year.
50:54And that would be the story. And that would be the shocking one.
50:57So we'll keep that in mind as well. We're trying to decide on a finalist.
51:02Just to close on there, I do think that this, all three of these guys are guys that you should take relative shots on.
51:08Because when we talked about like the Javante and the Travis HN, like outcomes, like we believe that Denver is going to score points.
51:15So like, I just went through this whole spiel where I was like, you know, hey, look at these efficiency metrics for RJ Harvey.
51:21They're not, they're ugly, right? But what if they aren't in year two, right?
51:25Like what if they aren't? So I do think that when you look at this backfield and totality, like it should be
51:31one that from a top down stance, just from a team environment stance that we talked about so far, like you should
51:37be excited to still at least take bites at the apple here, even if they fail, because this is a team we
51:43do believe is going to be productive. Great defense can score points.
51:47So I'm kind of like saying, take some shots at all of them.
51:50Yeah. I've told people to take shots on JK Dobbins even the last couple of years, but the Dobbins thing for me
51:56is you take shots on them, you have them on your team for the first month or so, and then you trade him away before that injury happens.
52:04And I don't really like playing that way, but that's the way to do it.
52:08If you're going to take JK Dobbins, don't trick yourself into thinking it's going to continue for 17 weeks because the likelihood of that happening is very slim.
52:16Speaking of durability concerns, we could jump to the Vikings here.
52:19Aaron Jones, he's coming back. It looked like he wasn't going to be back with the Vikings.
52:23They bring them back. I mean, he's turning 32 in December.
52:26It's been like six straight seasons of different injuries.
52:29He's dealt with lots of soft tissue stuff. And to his credit, like he often plays through it, Rich.
52:34Like he often stays out there, still produces in some way, but he's getting older now.
52:39Do you see a path towards him having kind of a miraculous season where he stays healthy and still gets it done at his age?
52:45Could an injury to him potentially open the door for Jordan Mason or even like the complete long shot who I don't
52:51think is in the running to be a Javante Woods type, but DeMond Claiborne, the rookie could potentially be that Aaron Jones replacement if he does miss time.
52:59Yeah, the toughest part is like you said, just trying to bank on this because he's with the same team that tried
53:05to extend his role each of the last two years as he's, you know, you know, gotten 30 and 31 and he's
53:11gotten in, he's picked up injuries as they put more on his plate, right?
53:15Like Aaron Jones was always kind of one of these guys that you'd always wanted to keep in like that 240 to like 300 touch range.
53:22And the Vikings have had different pockets of each season where they've tried to give to extend his workload and he's gotten nicked up at his age.
53:30So that I think that's where you look at like the addition of a Claiborne and they look at what Claiborne can do coming into the NFL.
53:37And he's, this is a guy that has a lot of work to do outside of just running the football.
53:43And they are like, Hey, we can bring him in and just let him as a rookie have like a couple touches
53:49per game where he's, we're just handing off to him.
53:51He doesn't have to do anything else yet. And I think that's where they look at terms of like alleviating Aaron Jones.
53:57I will say if there's one of these guys that were to pop for fantasy football, you would still want to bet
54:03on the archetype of Aaron Jones, right? Like he's still playing the passing down stuff.
54:08He still also plays a little more at the goal line than people think.
54:11It's not, it's not just like Mason comes in every time inside the five.
54:15Whereas like we talked about Harvey and Dobbins in year one, Harvey never got inside the five unless it was a passing play.
54:22Aaron Jones still, they're kind of interchanging those guys, the goal line.
54:25So I would still say like, yeah, Aaron Jones, it's just a tough bet.
54:29Like you said, the age and injuries and hit, like I said, this organization understanding, like you would think internally, like, Hey, this guy's gotten banged up.
54:36Cause we're, you know, we're kind of putting a lot on his plate.
54:40Mason is just like a best ball only guy for me.
54:43Like he's kind of a touchdown or bust profile.
54:45He's been really solid the past years with the Vikings and 49ers when there's been no one else available.
54:50Like when he has to get touches, he's been fine.
54:53But I mean, he's, he's a zero burger in the passing game.
54:56And even in those spots, um, he's a, he's a highly efficient guy in terms of yards for touch, but you got
55:03to score touchdowns with him to score fantasy points.
55:05Like the, the weeks that he does not score a touchdown, he gives you unusable fantasy lines.
55:10And that's what makes it tough. So best ball, these drafts that are going on now, I'm all for Jordan Mason.
55:15Cause you can soak up the weeks he has them, but I think he's largely completely like touchdown or bust contingency value guy.
55:22It's not an exciting pick and I don't think he would go on to do it over the course of a full
55:28season, but Mason to me, like you said, when he's had the opportunity by himself and would he get it by himself?
55:34Even if Jones was out this year because of Claiborne, maybe not.
55:37But last year when Jones was on the lineup over the early part of the season from week three to week seven,
55:43Mason was the RV 16 in fantasy points per game.
55:46When Jones sat out week 18, Mason had his second highest yardage total of the season, 94 yards on 14 carries.
55:52He can get it done. It's not necessarily the profile that we'd be looking for, for a guy to completely smash in fantasy.
55:58But this Vikings offense, I do think is going to be better this year.
56:02The offensive line, I think is going to have some better injury luck.
56:05And then Kyler Murray being there is going to help the situation.
56:09So all things considered it, there's intrigue. There's interest for me, let's say in that Vikings backfield.
56:13I don't know that it would be Aaron Jones though, because I'm so scared off by the injuries Mason a little bit, Claiborne the long shot.
56:21But realistically, it's probably not coming from the Vikings.
56:23If we're looking for the next Javante Williams, really intriguing group there.
56:26I mean, we'll hold the finalists. We'll look at these guys when we get to the end of the full list.
56:32But I think we got a few now already in contention that we're going to have to talk about some very, very cool names to go over.
56:40I'm going to take a brief pause here though.
56:42That does it for us on the Yahoo Sports Network.
56:45We will continue the conversation and the search for the next Javante Williams in fantasy after this final break.
56:50All right. Welcome back a handful of names to still go over here.
56:54Some more candidates to figure out who the next Javante Williams could be in 2026.
56:58Some deserve a little more time. Some, I think we could probably go through pretty quickly, Rich, but the first pairing two
57:04running backs who are on the rise, who have great contingency value.
57:07I think they would need their starter to go down.
57:10I don't know if they can win their backfields on their own.
57:13You might feel differently, but we have seen these guys produce when they've been given the chance.
57:18That's Kyle Monongai on the Bears at RB 33 and ADP.
57:21Blake Corum on the Rams, who's right behind him at RB 35.
57:24Pretty highly coveted fantasy assets. Do you see these guys being potential finalists in our conversation today, Rich?
57:29I mean, absolutely. If we get the runway, right?
57:31Like we already see the contingency value from one game of Monongai.
57:35Obviously the one game of Swift. I know it was against the Bengals, but it was 200 yards.
57:40It was like he just played the Bengals. I bring it up all the time and Harmon just rolls his eyes.
57:46So yeah, we'll bring it up again. Why not?
57:48I get it. But like, you know, 200, he had 198 yards into the Bengals.
57:52So like transitive property, that's like 98 yards against someone else.
57:55So it still is a really effective game. But and also he had the most touches for a seventh round rookie since 2019.
58:01And we had another seventh round rookie from last year coming up.
58:05I saw on the show sheet. So it's partly to me.
58:08It's like just I'm so I believe in Ben Johnson, man.
58:11Like they didn't bring any anyone in to really kind of threaten this backfield.
58:15I believe in this offense taking another step forward in year 200 Ben Johnson.
58:18I believe in the run game. You know, people think about the Bears and how exciting it was like Caleb Williams and Luther Burden.
58:25But people forget the back half of the year.
58:28What were the Bears? They were a run team.
58:30They were a run team. They want to run the football.
58:33It's in Ben Johnson's DNA to set up the play action pass.
58:36So I do like Mononga. He is a little bit more in like that Jordan Mason bucket like we talked about.
58:42He's not like a complete zero in the receiving game.
58:45But he does need DeAndre Swift, I think, out of the way to like have that unlock for him.
58:50So again, probably one of these guys while we still have Swift healthy is a better and a best ball type.
58:56But the contingency upside is extremely high. I would say even higher for a Mononga than a couple other contingency guys.
59:02Maybe we talked about this point. Yeah, I really like Mononga.
59:05And like I said, I bring up that game all the time for him that I it's how could you not again,
59:11it's going back to when you get that opportunity.
59:13What do you do with it? Right. And he showed that in the perfect scenario and that's what it was.
59:19He can come through and give you that monster game.
59:21That's what you should do when you get that chance.
59:24Right. Yes. I don't believe that he is going to overtake Swift.
59:27And I really actually think that Swift is a great pick this year.
59:31I think Swift somebody that people are kind of overlooking.
59:34But last year, even when Mononga came on, even when he started to produce, it was like from week six on Swift's
59:40numbers actually went up from that point on. He was the RB 10 from that point on and fantasy points per game.
59:46So these guys are both going to be productive.
59:48I definitely want Mononga because you can throw him in your lineup as that RB three flex type and he'll have some
59:54games where he comes through with some bigger stats.
59:57And yes, the chance for him to be RB one is there.
60:00It's going to require the injury, though. And I kind of feel the same about Corum.
60:05Everybody wants to talk about Kyron Williams and they're kind of like waiting for Kyron Williams to just lose that job.
60:10And it's not happening. He keeps delivering. He keeps coming through.
60:13Yes, this might become more and more of like a 50-50 committee.
60:17But I don't think the Corum is just going to outright push Kyron aside.
60:21No, and it's because of the ancillary stuff that we keep harping on.
60:24It's when the chips around the table for the Rams last year, which just wasn't very often.
60:29But what if that steps back? Right. I know that the Rams are the favorites of the Super Bowl.
60:34I know they're loaded up. But just what if they don't lead for as many snaps as they led as next year?
60:40Like football is very fluid. Things happen in season because that's where Corum didn't play.
60:44Like in positive game scripts, they interchange these guys.
60:47But when the Rams had to throw or whenever they were trailing, guess who was in the backfield?
60:52It was Kyron Williams. They ran the ball 48% of the time on Blake Corum snaps.
60:56It was 38.7% with Kyron Williams. Corum ran a pass route on only 18.5% of the dropbacks.
61:01It's 56% for Kyron Williams. And when the Rams were tied or trailing, Kyron Williams played 75% of the snaps and only 24% for Corum.
61:07So, I mean, if they regress in any type of fashion, I still expect them to be, you know, Kyron Williams to
61:14be the guy they trust in those situations the most.
61:16And I like Corum. I think that there's some standalone value for him more so than maybe some of the other guys we talked about.
61:23But the problem is, is like this type of guy has never been good when you have to pay cost for it in fantasy football.
61:30Well, Ben Tate never had like, like these, this guy, when you have to draft them as like a starter and like he's already 35.
61:37I get it. Like it's right on the fringe and some of that contingency upside is price things.
61:42It's the Rams. But like this type of guy has never really panned out and like been a hit for fantasy football.
61:48All right. So we're going to, we're going to move on then from those two guys.
61:52We're going to talk about that other seventh round pick that you mentioned.
61:56He's part of the next group here. Corey Krosky Merritt or Bill.
61:59I don't know which one we're going with here, Rich.
62:02I ended up going with JCM just because it's the quickest in my mind.
62:06It's easy to say. He's got a shot here to be the commander's lead back.
62:10In my opinion, like this is one of those ambiguous backfields.
62:13I don't think Rashad white is the kind of guy that profiles is like a true lead back.
62:18I think we've seen him get the opportunity when there's been injuries in his backfields and he can do it for like a short stretch.
62:25But as it goes longer, as he's asked to kind of do more over time, they work other guys in it.
62:30We saw that last year with the box where Bucky Irving was out.
62:34Rashad white was a starter. He had some good games, but then as Bucky missed more time now, Sean Tucker started to
62:40get worked in more and they didn't just want Rashad white taking everything.
62:44I think that could be what we see from him in Washington, right?
62:47That white's going to get an opportunity here, but I just don't think he's that back.
62:52I think JCM, what we saw from him last year was interesting.
62:55I thought it was exciting. I know Katron Allen's there to try to be the Chris Rodriguez replacement.
63:00How do you feel about JCM? This is another backfield where I'm largely just taking all three guys and hopefully I can
63:06get something to stick at some point, especially these guys are all are all relatively cheaper too.
63:11When we talk about with like the Broncos guys, right?
63:13Like these guys that Katron's absolutely at the bottom.
63:16But even I'm mixing him in a little bit too.
63:19White is a guy, like you said, I mean, the past few years he's conceded touches to lower end draft capital running backs in Bucky Irving.
63:26And then Sean Tucker last year, because remember he had the keys initially when Bucky Irving had that, that initial injury and
63:32was such an ineffective rusher again, that it opened the door back up for like, Hey, Sean Tucker is going to start to get more work.
63:39And then there was a point actually where Sean Tucker was like completely overtaking him.
63:43Right. But we know we're going to get out of white from a floor perspective is that he's really good in the past game.
63:50You know, 40 catches in each last four years.
63:52He's really good in pass pro. So that's going to get him on the field over a day three rookie and then
63:58a day three year two player who struggled in that capacity last year.
64:02I mean, JCM, you know, it was only, we only ran around on 24% of the drop backs.
64:07He also, he only had 39 snaps in pass protection.
64:09He allowed a pressure rate on, on 15% of those.
64:12Like it was, it was an adjustment period for him too.
64:15Um, but we did also see JCM, you know, you brought up the playoffs.
64:19So like Jordan Mason sneaking in while we saw Chris Rodriguez missed those two games at the end of the year.
64:25And we saw, you know, JCM deliver for fantasy gamers in that capacity.
64:28And this is a seventh round rookie that hit near one.
64:31We should actually believe in the good, right? Like we shouldn't tear down the bad things from Dracorikowski merit necessarily because the
64:37fact that we got anything out of him is like actually really strong.
64:41Uh, and I should, it should be an indicator to at least take some bites at the apple on him.
64:47Again, like we talked about Travion to a lesser Eks.
64:49We know Travion is going to get runway because of the draft capital that was invested in him.
64:54Like JCM has to make a year or two improvement in those struggle areas, particularly protecting the football too.
64:59This is a guy fumbled four times. Like you lose snaps to a Chris Rodriguez type when you're getting those strikeouts, right?
65:05Like that when you're getting the negative plays, because a coach like was going to start to play like Kareem Hunt, right?
65:12Like that's how Kareem Hunt gets touches because he's just, you know, falling forward.
65:15He's not striking out. And I should bring that up because Katron Allen is that type of guy.
65:20Like Katron Allen as a runner, this is a guy who already relegated a type of player like a Rashad White in college and Nicholas Singleton.
65:27Nicholas Singleton is a very Rashad White-esque adjacent player in terms of how he plays.
65:32Great things about Nicholas Singleton. He's big, fast, he can catch negatives.
65:35Might be blind. I can't hang on to the football.
65:38You know, so Katron Allen is one of these guys though.
65:41It's not like overwhelmingly like going to wow you in terms of flash plays, but he's a guy I believe like NFL coaches are going to like.
65:48He's in that Tyler Algier, David Montgomery zone of like, hey, this guy gets me positive plays.
65:53Like, and like that, that's the type of stuff like coaches will start to extend workloads on.
65:57So I even have been nibbling even a little bit on Katron and some of these teams that are a little thinner
66:03on running back depth and that just need to throw something against the wall because it's wide open here.
66:09It's a new regime, you know, in terms of offensive coordinator.
66:12I mean, David Blau is with the team, but we know if Blau is going to take anything he learned at his
66:18previous stops under Dan Campbell working with Ben, Ben Johnson.
66:21And he's already talked about it. They're going to play more under center this year.
66:25And if they're going to run the football, it could be a guy like Katron that sneaks out.
66:30So I'm, I'm largely throwing all three of these guys at the wall at random points, you know, intersections of the draft
66:36when they're kind of on the board. And just kind of hopefully something sticks because this is an offense I think can be significantly improved.
66:43It was, they were in the NFC championship game just two years ago.
66:46So they were snake bit by just a zillion injuries last year and year two of Cliff Kingsbury who always seems to
66:52get figured out because he has no creative gene and adjustment, you know, bone in his body.
66:57So I'm excited to kind of invest that cheaply into the commanders in general.
67:01So I just think they're an offense that's undervalued outside of Jane Daniels.
67:04This one really fits the bill in my mind.
67:07Like we're talking about all the way the Jags were last year, the way the Cowboys were not necessarily that I think
67:13the commander's offense is going to be quite as good.
67:15But having Jane Daniels gives you a chance to be extremely productive.
67:19Like we saw two years ago. And these are three backs that are all going outside of the top 100 picks.
67:25So like we're saying, you want to take a bite at two of them.
67:28You want to take all three late in your draft and try to lock down the commander's backfield and hope someone comes through.
67:35It could happen. And then it's pick your poison.
67:37I personally think that, you know, JCM has the chance to do it.
67:41I think he'll get first shot. I think the way that they've talked, like they've already identified, we've heard the reports, right?
67:47That he's got to get better in the passing game.
67:50He's got, if he wants to become that guy, he needs to show that he can, you know, produce and pass pro
67:56that he can actually get better in those areas.
67:58But if you look back to last year, you touched on it.
68:01Like what he did late in the season throughout the whole year, Chris Rodriguez only topped 70 scrimmage yards twice.
68:07And we know he doesn't give you that much in terms of the passing game, but only 70 scrimmage yards twice.
68:13Never went over 85 yards in a single game.
68:15Meanwhile, when JCM, he goes over 70 scrimmage yards four times, including twice in the final month.
68:20That's what you were referencing there. And everyone's going to remember, you know, what he did.
68:24RB 10 and fantasy points per game during the fantasy playoffs.
68:27Top 95 yards in two of those games, scored four touchdowns during that stretch.
68:31So again, another guy who got the opportunity showed he can do something with it.
68:35I hope they give him another chance this year.
68:38And I hope this doesn't just become a frustrating situation like it was for most of last season where we're just going
68:44to plug Allen into that C-Rod role. And now we're just going to roll with three guys like this and three guys
68:50where the McNichols, the Jerry McNichols spot becomes even worse for fantasy because now you have Rashad White there.
68:55So it's going to be even more of a split between those three.
68:59I think that would be concerning in my mind.
69:01But I think this is certainly a backfield that people should be going after.
69:05And I think I think people should. And if they've been listening to the show, I think they already know that Woody
69:11Marks was in this section as well here. I don't think there's much to say about Woody Marks.
69:16I mean, he got an opportunity last year. He's one of these guys that didn't really get it done with his opportunity.
69:22Now you put David Montgomery there, who I think is going to be the workhorse in that backfield.
69:27And even if Montgomery gets hurt and misses time, I don't have a lot of faith that Woody Marks is going to
69:33be able to step in and do that much where he's going to become a fantasy star.
69:38And a lot of that is just because I'm looking at him last year going, why didn't he do it last year?
69:44If he didn't do it last year, the odds in my mind of him coming through and doing it all of a sudden this season are pretty slim.
69:51Yeah, I mean, the best thing you can say is just from like an objective stance, like he fits some criteria of
69:57things that, you know, hit, you know, he if you're looking at guys that are taken as their RB two or later,
70:03the guys that hit and like beat ADP or produce top 24 seasons are typically one to two year players attached to
70:09a running back that's not being taken as an RB one.
70:12So like he kind of checks those boxes is like a blind dart.
70:16But that's really it. Like nothing in terms of what he had on his table in terms of opportunity last year was particularly alluring.
70:23And that's why they went out and immediately, you know, traded for David Montgomery, who really fits their scheme really well.
70:28I mean, this is a team that wants to run a lot of man gap runs.
70:33David Montgomery, we talked about like he was still really good last year.
70:36I mean, he led the NFL in success rate and man gap runs last year.
70:40Woody Marks really struggled in that capacity. He's a smaller back, too.
70:44But there's a reason why they went out and got David Montgomery.
70:47He fits what they want to do in terms of scheme and as a runner.
70:51And Montgomery doesn't fit the cutoff that we're using for today's show.
70:55But Montgomery wouldn't shock me if Montgomery finished the year as a low end RB one, if he's the guy that kind of gets up there.
71:02But people have recognized that and the ADP is kind of already adjusted into a higher range there.
71:07A few more contenders that I want to mention here.
71:09And we don't need to talk through all of them.
71:12You can just kind of pick who you want to discuss here.
71:15I'm going to dub this one the new team, new role, new hope group.
71:19So Kenny Gainwell with the Bucs at RB 36.
71:22Rashad White, who we just discussed at RB 38.
71:24Chris Rodriguez, who we just discussed, though he's with a new team in Jacksonville, RB 42.
71:29Isaiah Pacheco on the Lions at RB 45. Keaton Mitchell on the Chargers at RB 46.
71:33And then Tyler Algier and that really crowded Cardinals backfield.
71:36Crowded for now. Maybe they'll clear some guys out.
71:38But at the moment, they got a lot of backs in that backfield behind who we think is going to be a true star in Jeremiah Love.
71:46And Algier's going at RB 47. I know there's one guy that stands out here to me.
71:50Anybody that you want to highlight from this group, Rich?
71:53Typically, if you're going to throw darts at some of these guys, you want at least the guy to have a pass catching background.
72:00That's where Gainwell kind of stands out. You know, him.
72:02And people forget, like Gainwell coming out of Memphis was a guy that had like a pretty solid rushing profile, too.
72:08He just never got a chance to really run the ball.
72:11So he's interesting to me. And the Bucs offensive line is in just such a way better spot than where we left off last year.
72:18I mean, they were just so beaten up last year.
72:21I mean, Tristan Wirth's only played 12 games. Luke Gottig, he only played 11.
72:25Cody Mock missed the whole season after week two.
72:27Ben Bredesen only played 11 games. Like getting these guys back and healthy, I think, is important.
72:32Gives him a little bit of juice. And we've seen like the offseason not really run out pure for Bucky Irving in
72:38terms of is he over the shoulder injury yet?
72:40You know, where is he in terms of headspace?
72:43Who do you got? I won't just keep going down the list.
72:46Like who's the other? Who's the guy you got?
72:49No, Gainwell. Gainwell was the guy. Gainwell's the guy in my mind.
72:52And it's for exactly what you just said, that you're going to get value out of him.
72:57He's a player that you could potentially get into your lineup, even in the role that he has to start the season.
73:03Right. Exactly. And then if Bucky Irving suffers injuries.
73:05But even if Bucky Irving doesn't, I think Gainwell could do more with the Rashad White role than what Rashad White did there last year.
73:12And I think we could see Gainwell have another very strong season.
73:15I love the fact that you brought up the injuries to the offensive line for the Bucs because I feel like we
73:21keep going back to the Chargers offensive line injuries and how much that affected their offense.
73:26The Bucs got like wiped out last year. It was injuries to the receiving core.
73:30Baker Mayfield was hurt. And that offensive line was a revolving door throughout the year.
73:34So I think that's an important thing to bring up.
73:37We could see a much better version of that Bucs offense this year.
73:40And I think Gainwell could be a very strong fantasy asset to the point where I would almost want to include him in the finalist conversation.
73:47Anybody else that you want to touch on there?
73:50I know Keaton Mitchell. He'd be like, if there's an injury for the Chargers, if Hampton goes down, Keaton Mitchell with the speed and a Mike McDaniel offense.
73:58Like, yeah, it's interesting, but I don't think. Yeah, he's not like a workhorse type, but he could end up having some really spectacular games.
74:04It feels like even if something were to happen to a Murray and Hampton, like wouldn't this be the classic example where
74:10like Keaton Mitchell's role just doesn't change? Like he's the guy getting eight to 12 ancillary touches a game in the Mike McDaniel offense.
74:17But if something happened to Hampton, like they would just keep Mitchell in that role.
74:21And like Vidal would still like just because Vidal is like, you know, he was productive.
74:26Also what the opportunity got last year. I don't want to completely discount him in terms of being able to come in and handle some workload as well.
74:33I think I've thrown a lot of cold water on the Chris Rodriguez thing.
74:37I know some people kind of looking at could it be to and could it be Rodriguez?
74:42Like I mentioned before, Rodriguez just doesn't have the big stats.
74:45He's kind of a touchdown or bust guy. And you put him in this backfield to do.
74:49I think he's going to have a role assuming that he's healthy because obviously he's missing time right now.
74:55And we'll have to monitor the health thing there.
74:57But he's also missing valuable reps with his new team.
75:00We're hearing about how good Tootin looks like all of these things now are just adding to the fact that I don't
75:06think Rodriguez is a strong fantasy asset. He's somebody that you plug and play by week fill in.
75:11You hope he gets a touchdown that week. But I don't think he's somebody that's going to come through and have a top 15, top 20 fantasy season.
75:19I'm actually just like so bewildered by what's going on in Jacksonville this offseason because it seems like they are like gearing
75:25up to try to run the football more. And there's no reason they should be doing that because their best personnel is
75:31obviously 11 personnel with the three wide receivers that they got and potentially four.
75:35No matter what they're going to do with Travis Hunter, Brenton Strange.
75:38The offensive line's not good. And they didn't run the ball well the back half of last year with a guy that
75:44was already like more had more of a proven pedigree.
75:47You know, Travis A. Chance. It's like they're kind of built to throw the ball and lean into the success they had last year.
75:53It feels like every move they've made this offseason is to kind of get away from that.
75:58And it scares the life out of me. Like I'm like, come on, man.
76:02What are we doing over here? You know, all these quotes are about like just wanting to play more, more type, multiple tight end sets.
76:09And I'm like, no, you should be doing what you did last year.
76:12When you went into Denver and you just threw the ball around all over the Denver Broncos.
76:17Like that's what that's how the offense should run.
76:19We found the homes for everyone. Right. Parker Washington in the in the slot hybrid role.
76:24Jacoby Byers, the Z, you know, Brian Thomas coming back healthy, playing in the X.
76:28Trevor Lawrence playing the best football of his career.
76:30Like, let's not break the wheel. Like we found it.
76:33Maybe they're just trying to fool us. Maybe this is what they're putting out there.
76:37They're going to show up week one and just chuck the ball all over the yard.
76:42Because it's one of those like I know what they should do, but they keep telling me different things.
76:47And I'm like, I don't like this. I don't know what's happening over here.
76:51I mean, I'm a Liam Cohn believer now. I'm going to continue to ride with him here until I see otherwise.
76:56So, yeah, I'm hoping that they can come through.
76:59And I definitely am still grabbing a bunch of shares of Toon, obviously, based on what I just said.
77:04Let me ask you about one guy that we didn't talk about.
77:07I know we're in a shot clock. I'm tired.
77:10But we didn't talk about him. But one guy that's just kind of been like a steady Eddie, and I feel like
77:16no one like wants to draft, is Tony Pollard.
77:18Just consistently, like five years in a row, over a thousand yards, three in a row, like he just completely flirts that 1300 yard range.
77:25He was really good the back quarter of last year.
77:28And again, some good defenses. Like he torched the Browns one game.
77:31300 yard rushing games. I don't believe that in 2026, like Nicholas Singleton's going to have like a huge impact.
77:37And this is a team that has a young quarterback.
77:40They get Brian Dayball, and I know people roll their eyes, but Brian Dayball has been attached to a lot of young quarterback production.
77:46Jackson Dart last year, one of the better Daniel Jones seasons.
77:49Obviously, Josh Allen, man, like Tony Pollard feels like one of these guys that like no one wants to draft, but it's
77:55like just kind of is going to provide. And the environment's just getting so much better there, right?
78:00And everyone's talking about, including myself, everyone's talking about, I mean, I just wrote an article about sleeper quarterbacks.
78:05I talked about Cam Ward and the chance that he could have a much better year in his second season.
78:11And then you look at the receivers and what they've done there with Carnell Tate coming in and being potentially a legit number one.
78:18Wondell Robinson, a huge upgrade there as the number two.
78:20Gunner Helms getting talked up at tight end, right?
78:23And yet it's maybe because he's kind of more boring veteran.
78:26It feels like Tony Pollard not getting as much of that love or just the expectation that we're going to see some
78:32sort of committee, whether it's Tajay Spears or whether Singleton does get sprinkled in a little more as he shows that he's fully healthy.
78:38And as he wins the coaching staff over, but I agree with you.
78:42That is, that's a good name to mention and throw in here that we could see him step up and it would
78:48kind of fit what we're talking about in terms of Javante Williams being written off as that veteran guy and Tony Pollard
78:54being kind of written off, but he has produced in that offense.
78:57And now things are going to be much, much better with Dable there with that new coaching staff and with a bunch of the moves that they've made.
79:05He was kind of like the last guy I had.
79:08I don't know. Do you have any other dark throws here?
79:11No, that's, that's everybody for us. So that brings us to the finalist man.
79:15And this is going to be the really tough part of it.
79:18Like I'm looking at this. I have six names on my list.
79:21I'm looking at producer Collins notes. He's got five names written down for me, rich.
79:25I'll throw some of them out. I think you're picking one of the Panthers backs, which at this point, I think most people probably would say Brooks.
79:33I still have like a spot in my heart, but Chuba Hubbard, but I'm not going to fight everybody on that.
79:39Ramondre Stevenson, who we mentioned, I think is in the running.
79:42I think if you're taking a Steelers back, Rico Dowd, although you didn't sound as excited about him.
79:47Jordan Mason, again, not super exciting, but a guy that I think could potentially come through if Aaron Jones gets hurt.
79:52Corey Krosky Merritt, who we talked up, but really it's kind of pick your poison in the commander's backfield.
79:58Kenny Gainwell would be the other one there. Is there anyone else?
80:01Do you want to make a push for Tony Pollard being named as a finalist since you threw him in as a write-in candidate right at the end?
80:09Man, I mean, I think from a workload perspective, I think opening the season, I mean, I think Tony Pollard's workload is a lot stronger than people believe.
80:16Maybe it's just me believing it though. So if you're not on board with that, I understand.
80:21No, who would you go with? If you were going with your three finalists here, you are the guest.
80:26Who would you go with as your three finalists?
80:29I'm okay with just a Carolina running back. I don't really have a pushback on either one.
80:33A Carolina running back. We're not counting Travion. Are we saying just Travion doesn't count?
80:37Yeah, Travion's going too high, right? And ADP-wise, he wouldn't make that top 24 cutoff, I don't think.
80:42Because like I said, he's the guy that scares me when other people have him still, more so than these other guys.
80:48For sure. I'm okay with Carolina running back. If you want to do Steeler running back, I'm fine with that as well.
80:54Yeah, I would put Pollard at least in contention with those guys.
80:58And man, dude, we can't identify a commander back.
81:00Do we just do JCM or White? That's the problem.
81:03I still think JCM has the first crack at it.
81:06So to me, I can't get on board with White being that guy because I think White is just the passing down back and I will be stunned.
81:13I'm not going to do the Harmon thing and suggest that I will eat a pen if something happens, but which happened last year.
81:20I don't know if you caught any of that, Rich.
81:23Thankfully, he didn't have to, but that was something that happened during last season.
81:27So yeah, I just don't see White emerging as that top 20 type because I think you're going to have to have another back involved.
81:33And to me, it seems like JCM is the favorite there, but I think Allen is the wild card that could really
81:40screw that up and could potentially turn it into a frustrating group.
81:43I'm okay. If you want to go Tony Pollard over Rico Dowdle, I'm all right with that.
81:47I think Pollard is a pretty good name to throw in there.
81:51Didn't quite fit into any of the categories that we talked about, but definitely fits the mold of what we're going for here.
81:57I mean, I defer to you in the show.
82:00I would say, yeah, if you want to do like Hubbard, if you want to do Dowdle, Pollard, and if you had
82:06the fourth guy, go ahead and throw a fourth guy.
82:08Yeah. I say for me, I mean, that's the thing.
82:11And we don't want to leave it here to producer Colin.
82:14We don't want him to break the ties here, Rich.
82:17So we got to be able to do this on our own.
82:20I like the case you made for Pollard and we're going to include him.
82:24You are the guest. We want to make sure that that's covered.
82:27I think you made a very strong case for him.
82:30I still lean towards Hubbard, but I think most people will go after Brooks.
82:34And I think the upside for Brooks, if everything goes his way, is probably higher.
82:38And we see a guy emerge and be a potential star coming back from the injuries.
82:42And that was one of the things with Javante Williams, right?
82:45The injuries certainly impacted the way people were viewing him last year.
82:49So we'll go Jonathan Brooks. We will go Tony Pollard.
82:52And are you OK going JCM as the last guy?
82:54Yeah, I think we throw a little bit of a spice.
82:57We have like one spicy dude. I guess John the Brooks would qualify, but JCM is a little more spicy.
83:03All right. And then if you're going to pick a winner here, Rich, who would it be?
83:07Are you backing the Tony Pollard coming down the straight, blowing past the leaders?
83:11And he gets named as the final winner here is who could be this year's Javante Williams or is there somebody else you want to go with there?
83:19I mean, I would lean towards him, especially if you're drafting one of these guys.
83:23If you're like thin at running back and you're looking for like that start of the season production.
83:28Like I think you want Tony Pollard with one of these guys, right?
83:32Like because to start the year, you're going to be playing Tony Pollard.
83:35And you're hoping one of these other guys like these are the guys you hope is like the season ramps up.
83:41Like you're bringing it home down the home stretch with a Brooks or JCM.
83:45I really like that that case that we're taking two of them.
83:48We got to we got to pick one, though.
83:51I know, man. I kind of want to say Jonathan Brooks because I want to back that Panthers backfield.
83:56The problem. Yeah, the problem with Brooks is he's so much younger and that I think that in my head is throwing
84:02me off here in terms of like Javante being that guy.
84:05But Javante wasn't that old, I suppose. Right. Like we're talking about a guy that 25 was late 20s.
84:10It was like mid mid 20s, 26 or so.
84:13So Brooks, I would probably lean towards Brooks, but I think your approach is very smart here.
84:17Take Tony Pollard, take the value there. Take Jonathan Brooks where he's going, which is still fairly late.
84:22And then late in the season, he takes over for Pollard and away you go.
84:26Or if you get completely lucky, you get two guys that potentially come through for him.
84:31Yeah, I mean, us trying to nail this down to the is pretty thin.
84:35So, yeah, I'm the way we are, man. This is what it's like.
84:38This is what the conversation ends up being, right?
84:41Yeah. Hopefully we at least provided enough context walking through all those other scenarios that people will run into something.
84:46And the other 80% that draft all the wrong guys will remember us with the 20%.
84:51I'll be like, hey, those guys, they got it.
84:53All right. So we're going to award it to the Panthers backfield and we're going to make Jonathan Brooks the the figurehead
84:59of that backfield, even though I still think there's a chance that Chuba Hubbard could be the one that comes through there.
85:05So the Chuba Hubbard, Jonathan Brooks backfield is the one that takes it.
85:09Jonathan Brooks is the guy that we see potentially coming through emerging as the starter and being a strong fantasy asset as the season goes along here.
85:16Would love to see that would be a great story for a guy that's coming off of so many injuries and who
85:22was kind of written off a couple of years ago to come back.
85:26If he can get his career back on track, it would be great to see.
85:30And there you have it. And you crush it as always, Rich, man.
85:33Thank you for doing this. It is always great talking to you, dude.
85:37And I hope we're going to get another chance this summer at the Fantasy Expo to hang out.
85:42We haven't talked about this yet, but if you are going to be there, I will see you there, man.
85:47Really appreciate everything that you do. That's it for us, though.
85:50A reminder before we go, we are one pod a week through mid-July and our shows will be dropping at 4 p.m.
85:56Eastern on Wednesdays. Big thanks again to Rich Rebar.
85:59Big thanks to producer Colin and everybody behind the scenes.
86:02Boon June will continue next week, but until then, we are out.

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