0:00Big show for you here today. It is the running back position preview.
0:04That's right. The position you cannot afford to get wrong in fantasy football.
0:07If you want to win a championship, it's the running backs.
0:11Can't fall behind. Gotta beware the cliff. All that we're talking about today with Justin Boone.
0:15He's got red light players for you. He's got green light players for you.
0:19The guys you want to target, the guys you want to avoid, all the things that you need to know about the
0:25running back position heading into your fantasy drafts this month.
0:28All that and more coming up on today's show.
0:31Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
0:34Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast and it is a hell of a day to talk ball because position preview week rolls
0:40on here and man, we got a big show ahead of you today because we've got our guy Justin Boone in the saddle with me.
0:47Boone, running back day. What's going on, man? It's a big one.
0:51Man, a lot going on. It's like a crazy flood of information and Harmon, I know a thing or two about floods,
0:57man, because I've had a couple of times I've had a couple of times I've had a lot of times I've had a lot of time.
1:04People in my basement with all this crazy rain lately and I've been dealing with that on top of trying to take
1:11in all this info that's coming out of training camps, keep the rankings updated, all that stuff.
1:15But that's why we love this time of year, right?
1:18Trying to adapt on the fly, trying to get everything ready.
1:21So when people are really drafting and it gets very, very busy in those last few weeks before the season, we have
1:28everything updated and everybody ready to go. Well, I hope your basement can stay flood free, man, because you're right.
1:33The information is flooding the timeline here quickly. Yeah.
1:36I mean, do I love this time of year?
1:38No, I'm ready to. It's super fun. It is.
1:41It is fun. It is fun. It's just stressful because I'm sure you feel the same way as me where I'm like,
1:47oh, my God, I know I'm missing something. I'm missing something, whether it's work or like a piece of information.
1:53I mean, you're missing things in your personal life for sure.
1:56Forget about that. That's not that's honestly not important at this at this point.
2:00That doesn't those that doesn't matter anymore. That see all in February.
2:03OK, but for now, what really matters is getting everyone's fantasy football teams right, as you mentioned.
2:08And that is what we are going to be doing here today with a running back position preview, because, man, we've this is a big one.
2:16All right. Everybody's got to get running backs right.
2:18As I've been saying on the show pretty much for the last week and a half since we went daily here, one
2:24of the do's and don'ts for Scott and I was we do not want you to fall behind at the running back position.
2:31Well, how are you going to do that is by listening to the preview position show today.
2:36We're going to look at the overall state of running backs positions strategies.
2:40We head into this year. We've got the top 12 consensus rankings and where do the cliffs at this position lie?
2:46We've got green light, red light, yellow light players.
2:48And of course, we will wrap it up with our sleepers.
2:51However, before we talk running backs, we do have a little bit of fantasy fallout because as Boone mentioned, news is coming
2:57in fast and furious from every angle. This first one comes in from Minnesota as Kyler Murray has officially been named the quarterback one of the Minnesota Vikings.
3:05Boone, we thought this would be the case. He would start week one for the Minnesota Vikings.
3:10I just thought that this announcement might come, you know, like 10 days ago, maybe even sooner than that.
3:16How are you feeling about Kyler Murray, QB one, Minnesota Vikings?
3:19And where are we going from here? Well, our long global nightmare, should we call it?
3:23Our long global nightmare of J.J. McCarthy is finally over.
3:26But this isn't anything surprising. We talked about this even before the Vikings.
3:30We brought in Kyler Murray. The idea that the way the team was talking, the way their star receiver, Justin Jefferson, by
3:36the end of last season was talking. They had to bring someone else and they had to get a veteran in there,
3:42somebody who could actually run the offense. And everything's coming out of camp right now.
3:47There's been ups and downs day to day. But overall, the talk is that the offense just opens up a little bit more with Kyler.
3:54He's willing to push the ball downfield a little bit more.
3:57We know what he can do with his legs, of course.
4:00And with McCarthy going back to last season, they were kind of trying to hide him in the offense and win in spite of him.
4:07Right. So this puts him back on the bench.
4:10Maybe he'll get a chance to become the next guy who is initially a bust in his career and then years later
4:16gets an opportunity to start somewhere and revitalizes his career that way.
4:19But for now, Kyler's out there. And the main thing you've talked about, how maybe the weapons in Minnesota aren't quite as good as everyone thinks.
4:27And you're probably right about that to some degree.
4:29But really, what we care about is Justin Jefferson.
4:32And this is going to be good news for Justin Jefferson.
4:35It at least puts him back in the conversation to be a guy who could be a wide receiver one in fantasy
4:41versus last year when he fell to like the wide receiver three ranks partway through the season because we just couldn't trust him.
4:48He had his best days when Carson Wentz was playing quarterback for the Vikings.
4:52So overall, this is good news for the offense.
4:54On top of the things we've talked about all offseason, the offensive line hopefully getting healthier and just overall seeing a little
5:01bit more from the Vikings offense like we saw in years past before last season.
5:05Yeah. I don't know if I'm just such a tepid.
5:08Yeah. Just not feeling it. I don't I don't know if it's just how long this took to kind of be announced,
5:14you know, or if it's even some of the reports from training camp that like McCarthy was actually making a pretty good
5:20push, you know, and it actually was having a pretty decent training camp.
5:24Maybe I'm totally wrong about this. And sometimes we do this where we talk about we talk about football for all year
5:30long and then we end up overthinking things. Sometimes I think we get into August.
5:34It's like, OK, I'm glad I changed my mind on this.
5:38This is one of those things where probably about two months ago, I was like, I think I said to Joel on
5:44the show, I'm going to be a Kyler Murray guy this year.
5:47And by the way, I still actually think Kyler Murray is a perfectly fine fantasy quarterback to draft.
5:52I haven't really moved him up or down my rankings really based on any of this.
5:57However, when it comes to Justin Jefferson, I do feel like differently about the whole situation probably than I did maybe, like
6:03I said, two months ago where now I'm starting to get the feeling.
6:07And again, I could be totally wrong that this is one of those situations where Kyler Murray starts 14 games.
6:13He plays himself out. He doesn't really fully push McCarthy aside.
6:16He plays just OK enough to like by the end of the season, they want to give McCarthy another look.
6:21And then McCarthy's playing in the fantasy football playoffs while Justin Jefferson is your wide receiver one.
6:26And I'm still ranking Justin Jefferson high, but I did bump him down to my second tier of receivers.
6:32And, you know, I'm kind of weighing him against some of those running backs that go on the turn.
6:37So I probably had him too aggressively ranked a couple of months ago.
6:41And now I think I'm maybe maybe over correcting or whatever.
6:44I just wish this had gone a little differently, Boone, where two days into training camp, they're like, yeah, Kyler Murray's our
6:50starter because he's just he's just that much better.
6:53Because I'm still kind of a Murray skeptic overall, I would say.
6:56And I think that's fair. He's he has his red flags.
6:59We talked about how he fizzled out in Arizona.
7:02He is not the perfect answer. He's not some guy that's going to come in and lift all boats, but they don't need that.
7:09Right. They just need someone to come in and give like average quarterback play and let everything else they have.
7:14They're going all the way to the other side of the ball on the defense.
7:19Let all of that do the work. Just don't let the quarterback position beat you.
7:23You don't have a situation where J.J. McCarthy's out there.
7:26And for three quarters, he's giving you nothing. Your offense can't score.
7:29And then you have to make some miraculous comeback in the fourth quarter.
7:33Right. Kyler out there, hopefully, is going to at least lift that a little bit.
7:37The coaching is still there. We probably give, you know, Kevin O'Connell too much credit.
7:41But I still think he's a good coach. And I still think the environment there is a positive one, even if there's not incredible talent other than Jefferson.
7:49It's a pretty good cast of skill position players there and guys who are going to get it done.
7:55So I'm looking at it now. I think we're probably in the same range.
7:59I always had Justin Jefferson more towards that one to turn right at the end of the first round.
8:04I've taken him a few times. You know, you don't feel great about it, but I don't really feel great about most
8:10guys that go at the end of the first round.
8:13For me, I would much rather pick early in the first or even in the middle of the first.
8:19I hate when I get a slot at the end.
8:21The good news is that when you come around the turn, I really like those players.
8:26But I'm not a huge fan of the guys that I have to take at the end of the first round unless somebody falls to you.
8:33So it is what it is in Minnesota, right?
8:36I think this offense is much better than what we saw last year.
8:40I think there's some real reasons why we can feel good about them.
8:43But overall, are we, you know, singing it from the rooftops and feeling great that Kyler Murray is going to come in
8:50and this is going to be one of the best offenses in the league?
8:53Probably not. Is it going to be better than what we saw last year?
8:57I definitely think so. I think I could probably get Jefferson as low as my 15th overall player, but that's about it.
9:04That's about that's about as low as I could go.
9:07So still to me, early second round, mid second round, just some of these running backs.
9:11And again, I think this is mostly structural when I'm doing my overall rankings is we'll kind of talk about throughout the show.
9:18But he really is the only one from this offense.
9:21Besides Murray as a low end QB one, high end QB two and super flex.
9:25Jefferson is the only one that I'm proactively targeting in this offense right now.
9:29I think everybody else. I'm just going to kind of let the board fall to me there.
9:34Does that does that make sense to you? Yeah, I agree.
9:37Murray is somebody that I'll take as a late round quarterback.
9:40If I really miss out on the guys that I like at every other value and then I have to pair two guys late.
9:47He's certainly somebody I'll look at in that case.
9:49Addison, you know, it's cliche to say, but he's kind of more of that like spike week best ball kind of guy like wide receiver for flex.
9:57But you really know when you can play him and you don't have to get into it.
10:02I know your thoughts on Addison. This is a running back show.
10:05We don't have to get the harm and take on him, but the backfield there could be value there.
10:11We're going to talk about it a little bit later.
10:13There's a couple of backs in this backfield that I could see actually make a difference this year in fantasy.
10:19So that's one spot where they've made a real commitment that they want to run the ball more.
10:24And I think we could see something exciting come out of this backfield in part where you get these guys, which is just very, very late in drafts.
10:32All right. So hopefully I'm overreacting to this, how long it took.
10:36And we just get a really good month of reports out of Minnesota and Kyler Murray.
10:40And by week one, I'm bumping Jefferson back up to that like first round range.
10:44I don't know. I just feel a little spooked about it today, but I reserve the right to change my mind because
10:51this is me changing my mind from how I felt about a month ago with this situation.
10:55One thing I'm also a little bit spooked by Boone and speaking of the top of the draft, let's talk about one
11:02of the best players in the sport and another running back that we are going to talk about later today.
11:07We got word from Adam Schefter today that Josh Jacobs and Puka Nakua could face discipline for some offseason actions.
11:13We're going to touch on Jacobs later in the show, but just really quickly on Puka Nakua.
11:18He did leave the Rams Cowboys joint practice today with an injury.
11:21I do just think I kind of continue to have this marinate in my head right now where I do think the
11:28Rams are a very hyper fragile situation. You know, we kind of Scott and I talked about this a lot and we
11:34all kind of talked about it a lot leading up to last season and then basically everything went right for them.
11:40So now no one talks about it. I'm not sure that's the best way to approach things, but just a reminder that
11:46I do think this Rams ecosystem as great as it is could be the number one offense in the NFL this year
11:52was the number one offense in the NFL. Last year is a little bit on a house of cards and Puka, you
11:59know Schefter was talking about he could be in danger of missing the first game of the season.
12:04Any issue here with you when you're ranking Nakua, who for me is still my fourth overall player.
12:09If he does miss week one, will you bump him down at all or how do you kind of feel about this situation?
12:15I have him as my fifth overall player. So just one spot behind you there.
12:20Yeah, it's it's concerning. We knew this was always a possibility when the stuff was popping up in the offseason, but I
12:26don't think I'm going to move him down that much because how long could the punishment possibly be?
12:31Like I don't think we're talking about anything really, really long.
12:34If it comes down, it'll probably come down early in the season and, you know, not to just dismiss it, but that
12:40time in the fantasy calendar doesn't quite matter as much as later in the year.
12:45Right. That was the reason why when Rasheed Rice had a suspension last year, we were still willing to draft him because we knew the upside.
12:52And obviously Puka has an even higher ceiling there.
12:55We don't know much about this injury, so we'll keep an eye on that and we'll see what updates come out there.
13:01But I agree with you that this Ram situation, because it's such a condensed offense, that if you start pulling just like
13:07one guy out of that mix, and I've been worried about Devontae Adams with his age and with the Rams kind of
13:13showing some interest in the offseason and some other receivers.
13:16I've been worried about him potentially maybe not giving them as much as they got from him last year.
13:22Puka, of course, we know Stafford and the injury situations with him and his age.
13:26So I'm totally on board with the idea that I could see this thing in L.A.
13:30fall apart quick, but we also know they're the kind of organization that would just use all their picks in order to
13:37restock the shelves if they had to in any way possible.
13:40So I think the offense will continue to be all right.
13:43I'm not bumping down Puka too much right now, but it's one we're going to have to monitor here.
13:48Yeah, Adams is a guy I bumped down five overall spots between last week and this week.
13:53I'm just kind of liking some of the younger players, guys that are maybe in spots where like DJ Moore, who could
13:59be the number one receiver in Buffalo as opposed to Adams is the number two in Los Angeles.
14:05I'm like kind of breaking ties in favor of some of those guys right now in his tier.
14:10And yeah, just it just all feels very fragile.
14:12And we know what it looks like when it goes well.
14:15We just got an example of that, but certainly something to monitor.
14:19No one likes the hey, I took my first round pick in fantasy football and then week one, especially season opener.
14:25And he's just not there. He's not playing. So I get if some people are just going to take one of the
14:31other great receivers or, you know, a Jonathan Taylor type.
14:34Is it Taylor? You're the guy you have ranked ahead of of Puka right now or I have JSN ahead of him.
14:40I was my third receiver there. And yeah, Taylor and CMC right behind those CMC has his own concerns, obviously, which we
14:46might get to in a little bit here. But yeah, I mean, it doesn't feel great.
14:51But then you do think back to last season when we had the Stafford uncertainty around his injury and we were bumping Puka down.
14:58We were bumping some of these Rams players down.
15:00And in the long run, that looked quite foolish.
15:03So just remember that it's obviously a different situation where he's going in drafts this year.
15:07You have to pay up a little bit more.
15:10And like you're saying, you don't want to take a guy in the first half of the first round.
15:15And now he's not available to you early in the season.
15:19But don't bump him down too much. That's at least how I'm approaching it.
15:23And perhaps I'm feeling that way because of what we did last year, pushing him into the second round and then seeing
15:29him just go out and have a monster fantasy season.
15:32But I want more information before I'm actually going to push him way down in the first round or even later.
15:38Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, he could walk into being the number one scoring player in fantasy.
15:43Certainly in his position this year, that is always possible for a player like this in this ecosystem.
15:48If everything remains right and tight there. All right, let's get into the running back preview.
15:53Overall state of the running back position, Boone. I think it's so fascinating this year.
15:57And for me, I've kind of got a clear vision here, but I'm curious for you.
16:01How are you attacking running back this year? Well, I'm going after it pretty early if I can.
16:07And sometimes that depends on where you're picking and the values that come to you.
16:11Because I often say that. And then, you know, you get on the clock and you look at who's available in the
16:17late second into the third and so on. And maybe you don't love the running back value there and you end up going in a different direction.
16:25But in general, I'm definitely trying to get two running backs in the first five rounds.
16:29I think after that, there is just a massive drop off in terms of the red flags that some of the guys have.
16:36I don't feel confident in really anyone from that sixth round on becoming like a quality RB2, starting that way, you know,
16:42in fantasy early in the season and giving you that value.
16:45There are some guys that could emerge and step up and become that kind of thing.
16:50But you just don't feel super confident that they're going to be that right away.
16:54So I think that's an important thing to take right away is if you want to go robust RB, you can.
17:00You know, if you want to take three running backs in the first four rounds, something like that.
17:05Totally viable strategy. You're putting your opponents on their heels.
17:08You're making them try to figure out other solutions at running back as you're taking three of those top guys.
17:14But at least having two in the first five rounds is just so important.
17:18And I love my builds much, much better when I do that.
17:21Man, I don't know. I might take it a little step farther and say I kind of want two in the first four rounds for me.
17:28And I mean, I still really like the wide receivers available, especially because I really like the wide receivers available in rounds four and five.
17:36So being able to just get one wide receiver in rounds one to four or shoot, you know, again, you get running
17:42back wide receiver running back wide receiver. I think is actually a really nice build this year because that fourth round is
17:48pretty well stocked with wide outs because there are decent picks in the fifth round that I do like this year.
17:54And we will talk about some of those guys.
17:57But for me, you get into that sixth round range.
17:59You know, you're starting to look at Travian Henderson.
18:02You're starting to look at Jadarian Price, Jalen Warren.
18:05It gets to Jalen Warren, Chuba Hubbard, Tony Pollard a clock pretty early in this in kind of the sixth round.
18:11And I have just built some, you know, robust wide receiver teams or hero RB teams where I've got one star running
18:17back and then kind of a stock receiver room.
18:19And maybe I took a vanity tight end at some point.
18:23I do not like those teams. They can work out.
18:25Of course, if I'm playing the waiver wire aggressively and all that, I'm I'm being, you know, kind of the hawk, the
18:32wolf on the waiver wire as opposed to the sheep.
18:34That's great. We know it can happen. But man, there's just it's tough.
18:38I don't like those teams very much. So when I'm looking at our consensus running back rankings here for this year on
18:44Yahoo, it's number one, Jameer Gibbs, number two, Bijan Robinson, three, Christian McCaffrey, four, Jonathan Taylor, James Cook, Saquon Barkley, Kenneth Walker,
18:51Ashton Gentey, Chase Brown, Amarion Hampton, Devon H and Derek Henry.
18:54Some really appealing names here for this one. So, yeah, I think, Boone, we are kind of on the same page here.
19:00We want you guys to double tap this position, if not the first five rounds, definitely the first four rounds.
19:06And part of the reason why Robust RV is so viable this year is just we love the depth everywhere else.
19:12And I'm sure you're going to talk about this on all the position preview episodes is, yeah, the receivers like you talked about.
19:18Great options. You can go even late where there's some guys that you can get Rashid Shaheed and players, you know, the
19:25double digit rounds that would not shock me if they gave you wide receiver three flex value this year.
19:30On top of the fact that you can get some really good tight ends in the mid to late rounds quarterback.
19:36We know you can wait until like the final round and get some good guys.
19:40We just did a mock draft recently and there were guys like Brock Purdy and others going, you know, outside of the top 120 picks.
19:47Now, when you have people who, you know, work for fantasy site, who are analysts in those drafts, you tend to see the quarterbacks last a little longer.
19:55But still, I've been in others where we see the quarterbacks last very long.
19:59And part of it is just the depth of the position this year.
20:03So I think that's important. I've also talked about this, the idea that you shouldn't be afraid to go after some of these ambiguous backfields out there.
20:11And I know we talk about that every year, trying to find value in those.
20:15But there's a few this year and, you know, I can spoil it and say that the Vikings who we just talked
20:21about are one where all the backs from the backfield are going outside of, you know, the top 90 or the top 100 picks.
20:28And I think you shouldn't be afraid to grab even a couple of those guys and just take two shots at a
20:34backfield that might have three guys who have a chance to emerge as the best fantasy option and give yourself the best
20:40chance to get the exact pick from that backfield who you can start each week.
20:45It doesn't always work out. But when you get to that range in drafts, there's no risk involved whatsoever.
20:50Right. And I'm still I will also add, you know, stocking up on those late round flyer running backs.
20:56I'm spending those late picks normally on running backs.
20:58And, you know, this year, like we said, even if you do go early, go early at running back, get your starters,
21:04maybe get your flex option, address the other positions in the middle rounds.
21:08And then when you get to the late rounds, you backfill and then you play the waiver wire aggressively and you try
21:14to get other running backs that way. But that to me this year has definitely been the best bill.
21:20Yeah, totally agree, especially about the ambiguous backfields. It's really where you want to be shopping when you get into these late rounds.
21:26So right now, too, I mean, August 11th, how much stock do you put into kind of the depth chart listings or
21:32some of the camp reports from some of these ambiguous backfields?
21:36Because there are some where, yeah, I mean, whatever, like take a commander's back because both these guys are going late.
21:42But we'll talk about backs like Jacksonville, where both guys are listed as co-starters or or things like that.
21:47Like, I think I know your answer, but just for the people watching and listening, what do you how do you kind
21:53of approach this time of year with that stuff?
21:56Zero stock, zero stock in it. It doesn't matter.
21:58Don't even look at it. Don't let it sway your opinion at all, because there's other factors.
22:03You have to think of it case by case, but you have to think of the other context, right?
22:09Right. Coaches are trying to keep all these players interested, involved, excited, trying hard.
22:13They don't want to just dismiss a guy right away.
22:15Hey, you know, Chris Rodriguez Jr. just came to our team.
22:19Great. Get in the backup jobs. You're going to be on the sidelines.
22:22You're not getting many touches this year. They're not going to do that.
22:26Now, I think he's going to have a role in that backfield.
22:29I just use him because he's top of mind and he just mentioned him there.
22:34But I think we have to give context to these things.
22:37Like if rookies, for example, you know, Tyler Algier is the getting the most first team reps in the Cardinals backfield.
22:43Well, yeah, some coaches want to make rookies earn it.
22:46And all of a sudden, as things move along a week or two, Jeremiah Love ends up being that guy.
22:51Like those things just happen. So don't be worried about that.
22:54Also, I look at a guy like Cam Scadaboo.
22:57We see him sharing quite a bit. Is he sharing more because that's how the backfield is going to look this year?
23:03Or is he sharing more because he's coming off a really serious injury and there's no reason to max him out in the beginning part of training camp?
23:11Let's lighten the load a little bit and ramp him up, make sure that he's ready for week one.
23:17So those things we don't know the answers to for sure.
23:20I have my feelings on each situation. We'll talk about some of them as we go.
23:24But that's the reason why I'm not putting much stock in these.
23:28I'm just trying to approach it individually and figure out what other context is involved that might be making them list guys
23:34in a certain order or co-starters or all that sort of stuff.
23:37People forget every year around this time what they're doing right now is a little thing called practice.
23:42And in practice, you try different things and you see what works.
23:46So it is still very early. We have an alarmingly long way to go until it's week one.
23:51And they've really figured out how these teams are going to approach things.
23:55We are going to, for now, take our first quick break.
23:58When we come back, we're going to talk through where the running back cliff begins this year.
24:03We'll get into that right after this. All right.
24:05We are back. Let's talk top 12 running backs and kind of compare your rankings, Boone, to the current consensus rankings on Yahoo.
24:12So again, your top 12 goes Jameer Gibbs, Bijon Robinson, Jonathan Taylor, Christian McCaffrey.
24:16You've got those flipped relative to consensus. James Cook, running back five.
24:19Ashton Gentty, Chase Brown, Amarian Hampton, Devon Achan, Saquon Barkley.
24:22Kenneth Walker, Jeremiah Love. So the three guys you're kind of lower on versus all the rest of us here at Yahoo
24:28is one Walker, Barkley and Christian McCaffrey. So I'm just going to throw all that at you.
24:33You take it where you want to go here with these top 12 backs.
24:37Give me someone to highlight here. Well, I've said this to you before.
24:41I don't normally waste too much time on the guys at the very top because you usually are getting a really good player regardless.
24:48So you can split hairs about which guy you want to take.
24:51But like Jameer Gibbs or Bijon Robinson, they're both awesome.
24:54If you want to rank them in a different order, all the power to you.
24:58Right. If you want to look at why I have Taylor had a CMC, it's the obvious stuff.
25:03Right. It's the age for CMC. It's the touches and the combination of those two things.
25:08Like we've seen guys in the past have these huge workloads and still have pretty good seasons.
25:13None of them have done it when they've been over 30.
25:16The guys who have done it and had pretty good years the next year have been like guys who are 25 and under.
25:22So McCaffrey is in uncharted territory here. We'll see if he can come through.
25:26But 450 touches when you count the playoffs last season, man, that is just so much.
25:31And then you go back to what this offense looked like for the Colts last year and how good Jonathan Taylor was.
25:37And when we had a healthy Daniel Jones out there, and I don't know if we'll have a completely back to form
25:43Daniel Jones versus what we saw early last season.
25:46There's also going to be some touchdown regression coming for JT for sure.
25:50But when we look at when Daniel Jones was out there last year, we had Jonathan Taylor as the RB1 overall averaging
25:5622.4 fantasy points per game in half PPR over the first 14 weeks of the season.
26:00So he was doing it. He was scoring touchdowns galore.
26:03He's having like those three touchdown weeks. It's great to have him on your fantasy team.
26:08Lots of things have, of course, changed with the Colts.
26:11There's injuries. There's receivers out the door. So we have to add that in there.
26:15But to me, I feel better investing in him than taking the chance that McCaffrey is going to beat all odds and
26:21come on this year and still have a really huge season.
26:24And after what we saw from him last year was like, I think a little bit of decline because he got through
26:31with the incredible volume that he was getting. But you don't look at that volume.
26:35If you start to question whether he's going to get the same volume, whether he's going to stay healthy, all those things.
26:41It just makes me scared to draft him in round one.
26:44So I normally shy away from him. And that's why JT has moved above him.
26:48I've still got Chris McCaffrey in the same tier as Gibbs and Bijon.
26:52I have him as my fifth overall player. And you got to acknowledge the risks.
26:56Like the risks is he loses you your fantasy season.
26:59Not really. You can still survive even if your first round pick gets hurt.
27:03But he puts a real damper on your fantasy season.
27:06How about that? The upside, though, still remains that he just is the best player in fantasy football.
27:11So I'm OK with that. That's kind of like a personal risk reward versus kind of just thing there.
27:17To me, there's not a big debate on that one.
27:19I really love JT. He's the top of tier two for me.
27:23I think one of the interesting ones, if we can pull up the overall kind of consensus board again from all of us here at Yahoo.
27:30I think one of the bigger disagreements just kind of in the group right now is Saquon Barkley versus like a guy like Ashton Gentty.
27:37Where JT is a little there's kind of actually folks who are lower on Gentty are higher on Barkley.
27:43If I'm just looking at it here, like I've got him six.
27:46Scott's got him six. Hayden has Saquon six. Josh has him fourth at the running back position.
27:51You and you and Joel Smith are 10. Whereas kind of the inverse there, you guys are maybe a little higher on Gentty.
27:58I have Gentty as my RB seven. So not any big problem there.
28:01But thought process, like what's the risk? Is this still just again, you're skewing into youth here at the running back position?
28:07This is one of those ones. I don't want to throw cold water on this.
28:12I'm sure we want to blow this up that, oh, my God, we all disagree.
28:16But this range of backs, I pretty much like all of these guys.
28:20The fact that I'm a little lower on Barkley and Walker, to be honest, I want to move them up to make
28:26sure that people who follow me are getting some shares of them.
28:29Because I also have found that in drafts, I'm not getting them as often because I always go with Chase Brown, who
28:36ends up being the guy available to me at the top of the second, sometimes falls to the middle of the second as well.
28:42If you want me to make the case, I could that, you know, Barkley, they're talking about Tank Bigsby getting involved.
28:48Don't make the case if you don't want to.
28:51I mean, shoot, if you don't believe it. I really don't.
28:54I think and this we could tie it into what we were saying about Justin Jefferson earlier.
28:59I would feel better moving Jefferson behind this whole pack than I would talking negatively about Barkley and Walker.
29:04Barkley Walker going to have good seasons. I think A-chan is being beat up on because the state of that Dolphins offense,
29:11which I don't know if it's going to be that bad, that it's going to just decimate any value that he could possibly have.
29:17I think he's going to get a ton of volume still.
29:21And I think people are probably underrating his ceiling.
29:23So I really like all these guys. Hampton, we've talked about on the show a million times.
29:28Just investing in that Chargers offense is very smart for fantasy this year.
29:32Yes, he could share a little bit with Keaton Mitchell.
29:35He could share a little bit with Kamani Vidal, but he is the first round pick.
29:39He is the star. And when you hear Mike McDaniel talk about this backfield, it's normally suggesting that Hampton is the guy
29:45that they feel really good about Hampton. And then he pumps up the other two.
29:50And then everyone aggregates those quotes about, oh, my God, it's going to be a three-way committee.
29:54Keaton Mitchell's never had a massive workload. He is that, like, sprinkle, that dynamic, explosive guy.
29:59He's not going to eat in significantly to Hampton.
30:02Chase Brown, I mean, he's the most underrated player in these first two rounds.
30:06Wouldn't shock me out of all if he ends up being the guy who's a top five, top three back.
30:11Because last season, that's what we saw from him once we got decent quarterback play in the Bengals offense.
30:17Right. In the early part of the year when Joe Burrow was hurt, when the schedule was tough, he struggled a little bit.
30:23Once Joe Flacco was out there, which isn't that high of a bar.
30:27And then especially once Burrow got back the rest of the season from week six on, we saw Chase Brown put up top five stats.
30:34He could certainly do that again. And all the talk right now coming out of Cincinnati is that he's one of the focal points of that offense.
30:42So he is going to get a ton of work.
30:44It all just boils down, Harmon, to me loving the running backs in that range.
30:49That early part of round two into the middle part of round two.
30:52I want to take all these guys. I'll take whoever falls to me.
30:56I'm really, really happy to have them on my roster.
30:59And that's why we're often starting either running back, running back or wide receiver, running back.
31:04Yeah, it is tough because there are some guys in that second round range at the wide receiver position that I also really like.
31:10And if you're trying to be disciplined about it, breaking ties in favor of I've started to move guys like Devon H
31:17and Chase Brown, just even ahead of the Drake Londons and the Nico Collins is like guys.
31:21I again, I do really like those players, but you know, you're just going to hate the running.
31:27You're going to still like the wide receiver that comes back around in the third or fourth round.
31:32I think quickly you're going to start to not like as much the running backs there.
31:36So I'm with you like this is just a really good range of players overall for me, you know, that I that
31:42I just kind of like a lot of these backs.
31:45There's no one here that is even even a Chan who a lot of the folks across the industry don't seem to like a Chan.
31:52Hayden is the highest one of us on a chance.
31:55He's got him as running back seven. And just the theory of the cases.
31:59He was like an 18 point per game player last year in half PPR.
32:03How much worse does he have to get to really be a bust even as a second round pick?
32:09I mean, we're already baking in some regression here.
32:11I think that's been priced in. So to me, there's no running back that is in inside of the consensus top 15.
32:17That's a glaring problem to me. Maybe we'll talk about one of the guys as a yellow light player for you later on.
32:24But let's get into kind of where you see the cliff at this position.
32:28Like truly again, we talked about some of the names early on here, but where do you feel like it really drops off at running back this year?
32:36Sure. It's kind of two major drop offs. One occurs like around the two, three turn.
32:40I still like taking Kyron Williams. I still like taking Jeremiah Love, but I know some people don't feel the same about those guys.
32:47There is certainly a drop off after those players in my mind.
32:51So that's one area. If you want to talk about like the absolute, like it gets to just a very scary scenario.
32:57If you're having to take these guys to be your RB2 in your lineup, that occurs like around the fifth to the sixth round.
33:04There's been times when guys will fall to the sixth.
33:07You can get them. We talked about it recently.
33:09I took Bucky Irving in a mock draft. He was a player I didn't really like, but he fell to me in
33:15the sixth to get him as my RB2 in the sixth.
33:19I was willing to do that. Sometimes you see that happen, but overall after the fifth round, you are lucky if you're
33:25getting a running back that you feel good about putting in your starting lineup this year.
33:29That is to me the like drop dead part of the draft where if you don't have two backs by that point, you are scrambling.
33:37You are playing catch up and your roster is not going to look as good because of it.
33:42Yeah. And I've found kind of similar when you get to that fifth round range and you're trying to take a, I
33:48don't want to have a quinch on Judkins, right?
33:50Is my running back too. I'm usually having to like go against my overall rankings, which, you know, it's fine.
33:56You don't have to stick to rankings all the time, but I'm going to go against those to kind of artificially prop up a running back.
34:04When there are so many players that other positions that I just like better than Quinchan Judkins at that standpoint, again, just
34:10to use one name, David Montgomery running back 22 in our consensus rankings is absolutely the same vibe.
34:15There's a few guys I have warmed up to.
34:17You know, you mentioned Bucky Irving. I kind of want to take Bucky out of the coping corner, dude.
34:23I think we might have over, you know, I think we might have overthought that one a little bit after the Kenny Gainwell signing.
34:30Um, I would, but we'll make, we'll talk, maybe we'll talk Bucky Irving a little bit later in the show.
34:35I don't think Boone is convinced on that one, but yeah, to me, Boone, it does feel like the, the fifth and
34:42sixth round range is where you really start to feel the cliff.
34:45And again, it just comes back to the, what we're saying over and over again, grab yourself a couple of these guys early.
34:52I agree with you though, getting receivers in that range of the draft where the Quinchan Judkins and David Montgomery's go, you
34:58do feel better about it when you have to take these guys to be part of your starting lineup.
35:03It's acceptable. It's not exciting. You don't feel like it's going to win you your league.
35:08You're just like, all right, I got a guy that I feel okay putting in my RB two spot, right?
35:13Versus some of the receivers in this range could potentially actually be these like league winning or weak winning types for you.
35:20So that is just a type of, you know, roster construction that you have to consider.
35:24Um, you can still win by going about it this way and getting these guys.
35:29And like I said, sometimes I put myself in a spot where I end up taking these guys when I never expected to.
35:35I've gone into drafts where I'm like, I'm definitely going running back early, but that's the problem.
35:40Sometimes with snake traps where you could be at the end of a round and all of the guys that you wanted there aren't available.
35:47And now you don't feel that good about who you have to take.
35:51And you're not going to continue just to go down the same plan and the same path that you had if you
35:57don't like the players and the value available in that area.
36:00So I recommend that people come away. I'm with you in the first couple rounds, you know, in the first three to
36:06four rounds, I really like having two running backs.
36:09I'm okay. Starting with two in the first two rounds, but I think after the fifth round, if you don't have that second running back, I'm worried.
36:17I'm worried about the roster. I don't feel good.
36:19And now you are absolutely chasing and you're going to end up taking guys ahead of ADP because you're so worried about it.
36:26And it's just going to hurt your team overall.
36:28It's going to hurt your chances of winning the title.
36:31So let's get into some of your green light players at ADP right now, because these are guys outside the top 12 that we've already talked about here.
36:39I want to hit on some of these players because I think they sort of start to represent to me when you're getting into the cliff zone.
36:47Your first two guys are Kyron Williams and Brees Hall.
36:50Kyron Williams is and there's a couple of running backs we'll talk about today where I didn't realize that I was lower than consensus on Kyron Williams.
36:57And yet I am kind of from an overall perspective, a little bit lower on him, which I think just starts.
37:03He represents where I think I'm starting to get more into the receivers and the running back.
37:08So while I recognize that there's just some fragility with the ecosystem overall, as we talked about, I do think Blake Corum
37:14is probably going to eat into his touches a little bit more on an annual basis.
37:19Like every single year, I think he'll get more involved, not like totally fading him, but Brees Hall.
37:24Make the case for Brees Hall, who is a guy for me, is my 14th running back on the board.
37:30We could talk about Brees, but I have to address the Kyron thing first.
37:34I think Kyron is the guy who gets undervalued all the time.
37:37I don't understand it. I think what it is, Harmon, is everyone wants to get like the new, exciting young player.
37:43And they view this backfield as Kyron being the older guy and Corum being like the young, exciting guy who's going to usurp him.
37:50Yeah. And that's not the case at all. They're the exact same age.
37:54The difference is just a couple of months. They're both 26.
37:57I think one guy's birthday is in August and one guy's birthday is in November.
38:01So this is not a scenario where it's like a new, young, exciting back coming for the starting role.
38:06And how many years in a row are we going to do this?
38:10It feels like it's been the last couple of seasons where everyone's just checking their watch, waiting for Kyron Williams to give up this job.
38:17But what's happened the last three seasons? He's been a top 10 fantasy back on a per game basis.
38:23Like this dude is legit. He's very good. All the caveats that we said earlier about the Rams offense being a house of cards.
38:29And if you pull Stafford or Puka or one of these guys out, they are not going to have the same scoring power.
38:36They are not going to be as valuable in terms of what the running back's giving them.
38:41But this scheme produces very strong fantasy value. And Kyron Williams is the guy that they trust.
38:46So anytime you see Kyron Williams catching punts or, you know, Blake Horms coming for the job by the dip every single time.
38:52I think Kyron is totally undervalued. I agree with you that the receivers in that range at the early third round into the mid third round.
39:00Great wide outs. I love grabbing those guys, too.
39:02But Kyron Williams is somebody that people should feel much better about.
39:06I think he's going to have another good season.
39:08And it wouldn't shock me at all if he's a top 12 back again, maybe even top 10.
39:13So I had to say that I had to throw that out there.
39:17I'm not throwing cold water on Kyron. He's a really good fantasy asset.
39:21Yeah, I miss running back 16. So I'm just a couple of spots behind positional ADP, but I'm not.
39:26I'm just like from an overall ADP perspective, I'm a little bit lower on him.
39:30But that just mostly has to do with the overall players at other positions.
39:34So I'm not like totally out on Williams, but just breaking ties in favor there with some of the fragility of the ecosystem.
39:41But yeah, Brethal is a guy I think makes a lot of sense in sort of a similar way where I think
39:47this is one where I'm buying the opposite of what they were selling last year.
39:51Where, oh yeah, we're going to try to get Braylon Allen involved.
39:55We're going to try to get Isaiah. Now, I think this year it's pretty much just mostly going to be the Brees Hall show.
40:02They paid him. He had a pretty solid season last year.
40:05Obviously, you can't talk about the Jets without the Frank Reich specter being a big thing.
40:09But yeah, he is one that I'm definitely green light on at ADP as well.
40:13Him and one of the other backs we're going to talk about here before the break are the two guys in these
40:2030s and 40s that I actually really, really like Brees Hall being one of them.
40:24Yeah, I'm excited about what we're hearing out of New York for him and the fact that he could get back to being more of a workhorse.
40:32The thing with Brees too is that we've seen it before.
40:35We've seen that top 10 upside. I think we're pretty confident that the talent is there.
40:39It's sort of like Garrett Wilson where he's a player that could certainly be a top 12 fantasy running back.
40:45Garrett Wilson could be a top 12 fantasy receiver.
40:48And yet this Jets offense is the thing that's held them back and made them more of these RB2 wide receiver two types for fantasy.
40:55But we saw like very, very high end production from him over stretches in the past.
40:59Right. He overcame the knee injury, overcame subpar quarterback play, produced RB6 fantasy results on a per game basis in 2023.
41:05Like he could be that guy again. It is not impossible.
41:08If the Jets can take a step, if they get stable quarterback play from Geno, there's a lot of caveats on this one too, Harmon.
41:15Like it is not. That's what I'm saying. This is where we start to kind of have another cliff because I feel
41:22a lot better about those guys in the second round versus taking Brees Hall.
41:26But there is a path for him to produce a wildly outproduce this spot.
41:30And I have found myself taking him in the third round this year.
41:33Again, trying to make sure that I get that strong second running back because I feel good about what I can still
41:40do at receiver in the fourth round and beyond.
41:42Yeah. Sell me on Cam Scadaboo at 41st overall.
41:45And I know he was good in fantasy last year and maybe that's just what you're going to tell me.
41:50But here are the things I'm concerned about. One, the injuries.
41:54Yeah, sure. Fine. One, I'm not sure the Giants are that good.
41:57And two, I'm not sure he's that good. That makes me really nervous when I've got both of those factors involved and we're taking him 41st overall.
42:05I have him. And again, some of this is structural stuff just because I like the receivers, whatever.
42:10Again, he's the 41st overall pick. I have him as like my 57th overall player.
42:14So to me, I think, I don't know. Don't nobody clip this.
42:17If this gets clipped, I'm going to be mad.
42:20Nobody clipped this. But I kind of just think he's a meme player, honestly.
42:24To me, I think if he wasn't such an interesting character, I think he goes like 50th overall, not 41st overall.
42:30And maybe I'm stupid for that. But sell me on Camp Scadaboo.
42:33I mean, yeah, he's one of those guys. Cool name.
42:36Fun personality. It's just infectious watching him out there.
42:39But the team also loves him. Harmon Jackson Dart loves him.
42:42And I think this coaching staff wants to run the ball.
42:45They want a back that's going to be able to pound it.
42:48If we look at what happened last year and we can write it off as it was a small sample.
42:54He was only eight games before he got hurt.
42:57He was really good in fantasy. But I think it's also worth noting that when he was out there with Tyron Tracy
43:03Jr., he was getting like three quarters of the work versus Tyron Tracy Jr.
43:07This was not a scenario where Tyron Tracy Jr.
43:10had turned this into an even split or anything even close.
43:13That's why I'm kind of just not agreeing with some of the reports that are coming out right now that are saying,
43:19oh, these guys are splitting and this is how it's going to be.
43:23I want to see where we are a month from now when the season comes around and Scatter was even healthier and things actually matter.
43:30Are you going to have this be a committee backfield or are you going to have the guy out there who was
43:36producing at a very high clip last season? If we look at just the final six healthy appearances, you have the seventh
43:42most fantasy points among running backs was averaging 17.4 fantasy points per game in half PPR.
43:47And over the final four starts and again, we're getting even smaller sample size here.
43:51That's fine. 22 touches per game. So different coaching staff for sure.
43:54I mean, Harbaugh is an old school guy. I would think like I think they're going to still run the ball here.
44:01I think they really like Scatterboo. The team likes Scatterboo.
44:04They feed off that energy. And I believe this offense needs him.
44:07I don't think Tyron Tracy Jr. is the answer there.
44:10I certainly don't think Devin Singletary is going to be the guy might get a couple of touches a game, but that's about it.
44:17So of this next phase of backs after, you know, the top 14, 15 guys, Scatter was someone that I can at least see the ceiling for.
44:24And I feel the same way about Quinjohn Judkins, where both these guys are coming off injuries.
44:29Both these guys really showed it over short stretches last season that they had this massive upside.
44:34I'm willing to invest because both of them seem extremely healthy right now.
44:38Like they're going to be okay this year. So I'm taking the injury discount.
44:42Yeah, I have Scatterboo running back 22 and Quinjohn Judkins running back 23.
44:45Again, this is just a case where the market like our ADP is higher on Scatterboo than I am.
44:51Because I agree that there's actually a pretty similar case between these two guys.
44:55The only kind of like the variable going in Judkins' favor is that I'm very confident like he is a good, good starting back.
45:02But the other thing that goes against Judkins is that I think Dylan Sampson might play a role as a pass catcher
45:08where I'm not 100% sure if Quinjohn Judkins does.
45:10Whereas in the inverse, if Tyron Tracy Jr. was a better running back, I would think that maybe Cam Scatterboo would get pushed for the starting job.
45:18As it stands, Tyron Tracy is just Tyron Tracy.
45:21So I do think Scatterboo is the clear starter on a run-heavy offense, which is why ultimately I've broken ties in favor of Scatterboo over Judkins.
45:28But because of ADP, like I end up with Judkins a lot more than I do necessarily with Cam Scatterboo.
45:34But so he's a green light player for me.
45:36Last one green light guy that we do agree on before we go to break here is DeAndre Swift.
45:42Swift is the 48th overall player. I'm a few spots higher than that.
45:45I am as my running back 17. He's the running back 20 off the board.
45:50He's the guy, Boone, that is just like ultra disrespected.
45:52Nobody likes DeAndre Swift. Everybody wants him to go away.
45:55And yet Ben Johnson, who remember the narrative last year was, oh, he moved away from Swift before.
46:00All he does is talk about how great DeAndre Swift is.
46:04By the way, this is a little side note.
46:06This is kind of a thing I see on Twitter.
46:09It's like Ben Johnson never praises his players. I'm like, I can find clips of him praising all of his players.
46:15Give me a break. But yeah, anyways, he's talked about how good DeAndre Swift is and how steady of a presence he is.
46:21I think Swift is a very overthought player in fantasy right now.
46:25The RB 14 in fantasy points per game last season.
46:28Over 1300 scrimmage yards. 10 touchdowns. And if people are worried about Kyle Mononga being there, his numbers actually got better after
46:34Mononga became a bigger part of the offense from week six on.
46:37Swift was the RB 10 in fantasy points per game.
46:40So there's going to be a lot to go around in this offense.
46:44And yeah, I don't really understand why people are down on Swift.
46:47They just think he's going to move along. It's kind of the Kyron Williams thing, right?
46:52People don't really like him. They think he's going to get overtaken by a younger back.
46:56And I don't think it's going to happen this year.
46:59At some point, maybe they'll draft somebody or sign somebody.
47:02But this season, I was surprised that they came back with this duo.
47:06But because they did, you're going to want to invest in this backfield.
47:10You're going to want to do it with DeAndre Swift.
47:12Yeah, Swift at running back 17. For me, that's the answer where that's the last click that I feel.
47:18All right. I like it. That's that's the last click that I can feel pretty confident about.
47:23There's still some backs I like later, but it just gets a little bit dicier.
47:27However, we are going to take another quick break.
47:29When we come back, we're going to talk about some of those backs that are a little dicier, but we still like.
47:36We'll get into that right after this. All right.
47:38We're back. Let's talk through some more green light players.
47:41We've got four more here from you, Boone, to hit on.
47:44You've got Dave Montgomery, Basial Tootin, Jadarian Price, and Ramondre Stevenson.
47:47It's good to see that you're finally on the right side of history with the Patriots backfield.
47:52Took a while. It took a while. I'm going to throw those dragon names for as long as I can.
47:58Yeah, I get it. I get it. Hanging on.
48:00The young player. Honestly, Trayvon Henderson's fine. He's whatever pick.
48:03It's fine. But those four guys, just give me one of them that you really want to stand up here and make the case for.
48:10I mean, right now, David Montgomery seems like a very solid pick to me.
48:14And we could lump him into this group of older backs that people just don't see as these sexy fantasy options.
48:20But he goes to the Texans who absolutely needed someone.
48:23They saw Woody Marks in that lead back role last year.
48:26They didn't like what they saw because they decided to go out and get a veteran who could come in and be the dude.
48:33And we saw this happen a couple of years ago for them when they went out and got Joe Mixon.
48:39And he was a little bit older and people weren't as excited about him.
48:43And what happened? He ended up being a very solid RB1 that year, had a huge season for them.
48:48I think there's a good shot that we might not see that.
48:52I think Mixon was like RB5 in fantasy points per game that year.
48:55I don't think we're going to see that. But I think we're going to see something where David Montgomery is a very
49:02solid RB2 and wouldn't shock me at all if he's pushing for a spot in the top 15 or even the top 12 Harmon.
49:08Because this Texans team is very solid. They've made improvements this year.
49:12They have good weapons in the passing game. Strong chance that we're going to see better things from CJ Stroud this year.
49:18So, man, just putting that veteran back out there with Woody Marks as the complimentary piece, as a pass catching option.
49:24I don't buy the Woody Marks is going to take over half this backfield unless we've seen massive changes from the Woody Marks that we saw last season.
49:32He did not look like somebody that was a threat to be the real lead back on a quality team, which I think this is.
49:39And Montgomery, someone who's done it before, who still has something left in the tank.
49:43A guy that I don't think people should overlook for fantasy.
49:47Yeah, he's one. I'm glad you brought him up because it feels like there's really strong opinions on David Montgomery.
49:52Like there are some people that really like him and think he's a big time value.
49:57And there are some people I talk to that just they're totally out on Montgomery with the Houston Texans.
50:02And I'm kind of a Montgomery centrist. Honestly, I don't really have a strong take one way or another.
50:08I find it odd that he's become this kind of lightning rod fantasy football player because the barrier if I was to
50:14make the positive case, the barrier for entry for being a good Texans back is so, so low.
50:19This is this team ranks 31st in rushing rushing success rate since CJ Stroud entered the league in 2023 31st.
50:25And that was even with those Joe Mixon years.
50:27You know, they've never been a good consistent rushing attack.
50:30And Montgomery, you know, I don't think is totally cooked.
50:33It bothers me a little bit that the Lions basically just completely shelved him and were totally willing to let him go.
50:39It bothers me a little bit, but not enough to really get too, too concerned.
50:43And the other thing I think people are really just overstating how bad this offensive environment is, Boone.
50:49I mean, CJ Stroud is the top 10 quarterback by EPA per play last year.
50:53This was the 17th best passing game in drop back success rate and EPA last year.
50:57This is not some disgusting, hideous environment. And I think there's a lot of ways that it can be even better this
51:04year as you outlined, like the offensive line. I think, dude, if this is the 24th best offensive line in the NFL, that's an improvement.
51:11Jaden Higgins in year two tank doll, maybe coming back healthy.
51:14Jalen Knoll in his second season. I think there's if I'm just drafting off of environment, I think this is an underrated environment.
51:20Yeah. And the defense is going to be a huge impact on all of this.
51:25I think they want to win games by running the ball and playing strong defense.
51:29And I think they're going to be able to this year.
51:32Why not? Like, yeah, that part of it, I don't understand.
51:35And Texans, maybe they're just not a sexy team.
51:38Like, I know that's a funny word to use when we're talking about fantasy, but it really seems that way.
51:43They're not getting hyped up. And yet they have all of these players, all this talent collected.
51:48If the Texans went to the Super Bowl this year, would it shock you, Harmon?
51:52No, not at all. I think they're going to, I think they should be one of the favorites.
51:58Yeah. Like last year, that defense was, I'm worried as a Bills fan, they have to play them in week one.
52:04I can't wait to see where I end up ranking Josh Allen in week one, right?
52:08He's not going to have a strong game against that Texans defense.
52:12And that's where it starts. So I think there's going to be a lot of positive game scripts.
52:17And Dave Montgomery is going to be the guy that they want out there.
52:21Not the pass catching option in Woody Marks. Yeah.
52:23Could you see him just falling backwards into 10 touchdowns?
52:26I could totally see that for a run-heavy game script with a really quality defense on the other side.
52:31Another player who's kind of a lightning rod in the Twitter streets that I am definitely in on with you this year is Basial Tootin.
52:39Because to me, he just, when we're talking about these guys, Boone, that are the second year running backs, the Quinn John Judkins and the Camp Scatterboos.
52:46And we'll see what this, the Jags, they're going to be good.
52:50Their offense is going to be good. So I kind of like getting the running back attached to it, but make the
52:56case here for Basial Tootin with Chris Rodriguez and him being listed as co-starters on the coveted preseason depth chart.
53:02Chris Rodriguez is not a lead back in the NFL.
53:04Like he's just not, he gives you very little in the passing game.
53:08But did you know that Liam Cohen was his college coach?
53:11Did you know that? And did you know, Harmon, that he's back at practice and they're splitting reps?
53:16Well, again, it's very early in training camp and teams are going to split a bunch of reps.
53:21But who profiles is the guy that can be that explosive option, can be the lead back, can do a little bit of everything.
53:28It's Basial Tootin. And there are plenty of Liam Cohen quotes going back to OTAs where he's talking up his improvement year
53:35over year and how excited they are for him this season.
53:38And Rodriguez is a back that you bring in to take some of the load off of him as that bigger bodied option.
53:44Yes. Could he factor in at the goal line?
53:47For sure. But who else factored in at the goal line?
53:50Basial Tootin when he scored seven touchdowns as a rookie as the number two back in this offense last year.
53:56And we could see Rodriguez have a role like Tootin had last season where he gets something around, you know, a hundred touches, something like that.
54:03Still has an OK role, not one that's overly exciting for fantasy.
54:06Maybe a TD or bust kind of flex option for you, not somebody that I'm going to want to draft or start.
54:13Tootin's a guy that they want out there that can make a difference, that can break these big plays.
54:18And then LaQuint Allen Jr. I feel bad for because he's like the forgotten man in all of this.
54:23And in part, it's because he doesn't have much of a fantasy ceiling.
54:27He will get some receiving work out there. He'll also factor in.
54:31But it's not going to be enough that we need to worry about him for fantasy.
54:35And it's not going to be enough that it's going to take away from Tootin's upside.
54:40So will this be some sort of committee? Yes.
54:42Is Tootin going to have 50% plus of the snaps?
54:45Yes. And if he does that, he is going to be just fine and he is going to be a solid fantasy asset for you.
54:52Yeah, that's why he's a fifth round pick. If he was going to own the goal line role and the LaQuint Allen
54:58obviously is going to have his third down role, everything like that.
55:02That doesn't mean that Basial Tootin is never going to score a touchdown and never going to catch a pass just because
55:08of those two guys in those roles. He just might be kind of a frustrating running back to flex where it's a
55:14little bit like you need him to hit big plays.
55:17Luckily, this is a guy that can hit big plays and is in a good offensive environment.
55:22So, yeah, when I get into that spot that I don't want to be in, right, that I don't want to be
55:28in where I need a running back to when I get to the fifth round, I prefer to have that spot locked up.
55:35Tootin's one of the guys that I really want to look at there because I just, again, I'm breaking ties in favor
55:41of like the Browns aren't going to be good.
55:44The Giants, I don't think, are going to be very good.
55:47I do think the Jags are going to be good.
55:50So give me the running back who's going to be attached to that situation.
55:54Before we move on here, another guy that you have as a Greenland player is Jadarian Price.
55:58Another player, Boone, I don't have a strong take on one way or another.
56:02So I think the case for Jadarian Price is pretty obvious, but make it anyways.
56:07First round back in a good offense and the fact that we are inflating George Helani and Emmanuel Wilson as guys that
56:13are going to impede a first round back. And somebody who's gotten a ton of positive comments from the coaching staff that
56:19the beat writers have remarked that he's looked really good out there.
56:23This is a player that's the fact that he's this far down is shocking to me.
56:27So, yes, I'm absolutely willing to take him as my RB2.
56:30Now, when Zach Charbonnet comes back later in the season off of a serious injury that occurred this year, maybe that will change things a little bit.
56:38But they drafted Price to be the guy, and I think he is going to emerge as the guy, especially this season.
56:44Next year, we'll reevaluate. Zach Charbonnet might not be there anymore.
56:47That's a whole different story. But later this season, when Charbonnet comes back, he's not going to be the same player that he was before.
56:54So Price is the guy to invest in in this backfield.
56:58Well, I'll always have August 11th, 5 p.m. Eastern, where my dynasty teams can remember that George Helani was listed as the
57:04running back one of the preseason depth charts. So how dare you disparage the great George?
57:08But no. Yeah, I'm with you. The Jadarian Price is fine.
57:12Again, I kind of have him. He's running back 26 in ADP.
57:15I have him as my running back 26. So I'm in line with where he goes there as well.
57:20We are going to take another quick break. We come back.
57:24We talk through the red light and yellow light players.
57:26We will get into that right after this. All right, we're back.
57:30We're talking through the red and yellow light players at the running back position.
57:34Before we do, I just wanted to clarify what a yellow light means because I got a couple of responses from listeners
57:40that were confused about how I was discussing what a yellow light player was.
57:44By the way, I'm totally ripping off like a Scott Pianowski-ism here.
57:47So maybe I'm speaking out of turn. But I think the reason the confusion is, this is my theory, Bill, is that
57:54because we as human beings, I won't speak for Canadians.
57:56You guys are nicer than us here in the United States.
58:00Here in the United States, when we see a yellow light, that means get through that thing before it turns red.
58:06What the yellow light is actually supposed to mean is approach with caution, slow down because this thing's about to turn red.
58:12And when I see we're talking about these yellow light players, that means we're not out.
58:16We're just kind of approaching with some caution here.
58:19But the red light, that's stop. Okay? Don't draft.
58:22Stop. Don't be drafting these guys. So does that make sense with how you categorize the red and yellow light?
58:27And hopefully for the listeners out there, that makes a little bit more sense, too.
58:31I feel like every time we talk about our Canadian-American differences, I always point out that I think the two countries and
58:38the people in them are a lot more similar than they are different.
58:41So I agree. We're the exact same when it comes to a yellow light.
58:45We are the exact same when it comes to a yellow light, Harmon.
58:49But, yeah, I think the whole idea of this is just proceed, but proceed with caution.
58:54Still drafting them, but don't feel as good as maybe I should feel about drafting them.
58:58I'm a little bit worried when I click their name.
59:01All right. So with that, and by the way, yes, we're always much more alike than we are apart.
59:06Different. You know? Okay? So Boone and I are in unity here.
59:10You know? Okay? There's that. All right. Derek Henry.
59:12Why do you? Why? Why? We got the yellow light up for Derek Henry.
59:16Do you feel good about picking him? Because at some point, I feel great, bro.
59:21I feel so stupid. It sounds so stupid because I have said this, I think, for multiple seasons that we have to be worried.
59:27Like since he turned 30, it was like he's a bigger back.
59:31At some point, you know, father time is undefeated.
59:33It's coming. What year is it going to happen?
59:36It hasn't happened yet. Continues to defy that age curve that's out there.
59:40He's an absolute freak. He is one of one, and maybe he can do it again.
59:44But I feel like there's a chance that one of these years, Harmon, the wheels are going to fall off.
59:50He's also a back that doesn't get involved that much in the receiving game.
59:54So we can't really hope that he's going to come through that way.
59:58Can he fall into the end zone 10, 12 times?
60:00It's Derek Henry. Absolutely. He's still going to be good for fantasy.
60:04Is he going to be RB1 top 10 good?
60:06That's the part that I'm a little worried about.
60:09I think we're going to see him maybe take a step back at some point and become more of that high end
60:15RB2, which is how I have him ranked. A guy that's a good player to have in your lineup, but isn't necessarily going to win you your league.
60:23And I can't wait till we get to December and I'm being proven wrong once again.
60:28And the guy has 15 to 20 touchdowns and is just leading everybody to a fantasy title.
60:33And listen, I traded for him in one of my main leagues last year.
60:37I was trying to beat my buddies from high school.
60:39So I bought in. I at some point was like the guy still has it.
60:44But I've just always worried when I'm ranking and there's younger backs and there's other backs that I feel have that higher ceiling.
60:50I tend to want to push them above him.
60:53And maybe if there was any signs last year that it was slowing down, I would be nervous about it.
60:58But there really wasn't. I mean, his yards after contact per rush attempt were actually higher slightly last year than the year before.
61:05The blocking was worse in Baltimore last year. I think that was a problem.
61:09I think maybe some of the scheme, it just wasn't totally working out there.
61:13But I love the way Henry fits in this offense.
61:16I have as my eighth ranked running back right now.
61:19I just don't see a reason. I don't see a reason why the why the train is slowing down here, man.
61:25Like, I think he's got 10 touchdowns in his back pocket entering the season.
61:29Like, that's 10 more seasons in him. I think he's got 10 more seasons in him.
61:33He's just going to keep going. Maybe, dude. I don't know.
61:36I will say, though, this isn't a CMC like situation, right?
61:39Where if McCaffrey's efficiency declines, he can make up for it with the volume and the passing game.
61:45Henry doesn't have that. So if we do at some point see the efficiency start to decline, he doesn't have the receiving
61:51role that can kind of counter some of that.
61:53But I agree with you. I mean, I laid it out.
61:57I am still drafting. I'm willing to take him.
61:59I just never feel good about it. But when December comes along, I'm sure we'll all be happy when we have him on our teams.
62:06Yeah. Yeah. DeHember is going to be happening on my team.
62:09Basically, to go back to the red light, yellow light, green light analogy here.
62:13Boone is actually approaching the light with some caution.
62:16He's slowing down. He's not totally stopping. And I'm just running through that thing.
62:20Which, by the way, not a good idea. Okay.
62:22So maybe I'm the one who's going to end up getting banged here.
62:26The player that is, to me, the start of the running back cliff is the next guy we're talking about in yellow light here, which is Josh Jacobs.
62:3433rd overall ADP. Honestly, Boone, I think there's a stronger case that he's a red light player.
62:39And that's even, I think with the possibility of a suspension, he's a red light player to me.
62:44But I think there's a lot of reasons to be kind of worried about Josh Jacobs, even without the suspension risk.
62:50Where are you at with the Green Bay running back?
62:53Yeah, there's an injury situation with him as well that we're monitoring.
62:56So there's a few things. He is getting up there in terms of age.
63:00But when he's been on the field recently, he has been good.
63:04Now, the one complicating factor that we have to add in this year is Marshawn Lloyd.
63:08Can Marshawn Lloyd actually stay healthy? Because at the moment, he's healthy.
63:12And we are getting a lot of steam about him coming out of camp that he looks great, that he's explosive, that
63:18he's going to have a role in this backfield this year.
63:21Now, putting your chips on Marshawn Lloyd, who's like going down the J.K.
63:25Dobbins path for like getting hurt every single year and not being able to finish the season.
63:29I don't know if that's where I want to invest.
63:32He wishes he was J.K. Dobbins. He can't even finish the training camp.
63:36I mean, come on. Yeah, he's got a long way to go, but he also comes at a much cheaper ADP.
63:42So you could take Lloyd without any sort of risk.
63:45And I think people should to spoil one of the guys that we have in the sleeper section.
63:50Lloyd is one of them because if things go south with Josh Jacobs and if Lloyd can stay healthy, which is a massive if.
63:57But if he can stay healthy, he is the kind of player in a really good offense that could have a huge fantasy season this year.
64:04So, yeah, a lot of worry about Jacobs. But I also think it's been baked into his ADP.
64:09And with the new report today that punishment still could be coming for him, we're going to see that ADP continue to fall.
64:16So you're going to be getting Jacobs in the fourth round.
64:19Maybe we'll see him fall even later. And given the player that he's been, which is an RB1 for fantasy in recent
64:25years, it's hard not to click that guy. Even if we know he's going to miss a little bit of time early
64:31in the season, when he's out there, he's still going to be good for fantasy.
64:36I don't think he's giving up this starting job this year.
64:39He might lose a little bit off the top of his projection if Lloyd can stay healthy.
64:44But in my mind, when he's out there, he's still going to be a good start for fantasy.
64:49Maybe not a league winning type. Maybe not, you know, top five, top ten like he's been before, but still fringe, you
64:55know, low end RB1, high end RB2, well within his range of outcomes, even with all the weirdness around him.
65:01Yeah, I think the problem for me is this.
65:03I wonder if you could be kind of catching a falling knife with Josh Jacobs there.
65:08Again, maybe I'm wrong about this, but he, unlike Derrick Henry, did experience declines across the board last year.
65:13Explosive run rate went from 7.6% to 6%. Yards per carry obviously fell.
65:17Yards after contact went from 3.5 to 3.1. So not a major decline, but just ticking down where it was.
65:23Again, I think with Henry, it wasn't quite like that.
65:26So just the environment in Green Bay, I think, could be worse as well.
65:30And he's just a guy who he wore down at the end of last year.
65:34So don't want to be totally, totally out on Jacobs, but he's a guy there I think is a little risky to click right now.
65:41And then, okay, real quick, we'll do just the rapid fire on the red light players.
65:45But Traven Henderson, you do have him as a yellow light player.
65:49I think that's the right designation. I wouldn't call him a total red light for me.
65:53But why Stevenson Green Light, Henderson Yellow Light? We did an episode before training camp started, I believe it was, where we
66:00talked about some of the rankings that could change quite a bit over the course of the next month or so before the season starts.
66:07And we talked about Henderson and we needed to hear good things.
66:10We needed to see good things from him. Now, the highlights are there.
66:14We're seeing him catch balls downfield. We're seeing him make some big plays.
66:18But everything we're hearing coming out of New England is that this is still Ramondre Stevenson's backfield, that Henderson is not showing
66:24well enough as a pass protector between the tackles.
66:26All the concerns that the coaching staff has put out there for him.
66:30He's not really answering the bell based on what we've heard so far.
66:34So that's led me to go, hey, Stevenson is going to start the season as the guy.
66:39It's made me less interested in Henderson and more worried that we're not going to see that transition happen where he's going
66:45to take over this backfield this year. Could it happen at any moment?
66:49Yes, because we saw it happen at one point last season when Stevenson got hurt.
66:53Henderson gets out there and acquits himself very, very well.
66:56Was a very solid fantasy start. Was putting up RB1 numbers during that stretch.
67:00But I think it might take an injury to Stevenson for this to happen now, Harmon.
67:04So a lot more worried about taking him to the point where we should be considering flipping these ADPs at this point.
67:10And maybe it's shocking that I'm saying that and I am late to the game on this one.
67:16But Stevenson was solid for fantasy last year. And right now, both these guys are going as sort of really low end RB2s, high end RB3s.
67:23And if we put Stevenson slightly ahead of Henderson, I think that's probably the right call.
67:28I still don't have it that way, but I've moved them very close to each other at this point.
67:33Yeah, they're very close for me as well. I do think you have to I still think you rank Henderson higher just on potential.
67:40Right. I mean, because if one guy is going to come in here and really run away with this thing, I think it will be Stevenson.
67:47But excuse me, it will be Henderson. I have him as my 65th overall player, 71st overall for Henderson, which is I'm
67:53a little bit behind ADP on Henderson and very much ahead about seven spots ahead on Travian.
67:58I see me on Ramondre Stevenson. The red light guys that you've got here, Travis Achan Jr., Bucky Irving, Jalen Warren and Chuba Hubbard.
68:05I'm going to throw it to you this way.
68:08Which one of these guys are you most worried kind of comes back to bite you and beats you as a red
68:14light player here that you're not going to draft very much?
68:17Absolutely, Chuba Hubbard. And we're talking about flipping backs in a backfield.
68:20I've moved Jonathan Brooks above him in my ranking.
68:23Oh, again, everything we're hearing coming out, everything we're seeing coming out of Carolina.
68:27And Brooks is healthy. The coaching staff's fired up about him.
68:30He adds that extra dimension to the offense. And it's a little bit like Marshawn Lloyd-esque.
68:35Like we need him to stay healthy. We need him to continue to prove that he can be that guy.
68:40But he's checking every single box right now, Harmon.
68:43And if you're looking for somebody to emerge from this backfield and actually be a difference maker, Brooks needed to not be doing what he's doing right now.
68:51Brooks needed to get to training camp, not look great, sluggish coming back from the injury, not regaining his form.
68:57That's not what's happening, according to beat writers, according to people around the team, according to people in the organization.
69:02He looks great. They're fired up about him and what he could potentially become.
69:06Will it be week one where he's leading this backfield?
69:09Not sure about that. But as this season goes along, are we going to see him take over kind of the way that Rico Dowdle did last year?
69:17And there was injury situations impacting that. But Brooks seems to be the player that they want to be leading this backfield.
69:23And it's really exciting. And I try not to get caught up in, like I mentioned earlier, the thing that fantasy managers
69:30and fantasy analysts do all the time, where they want to get that rising star.
69:34They want to be one of the first people that's so excited about a player.
69:38And I got him on all my teams. But man, right now, everything we're hearing out of Carolina certainly points to Brooks potentially being one of those guys.
69:46And there's two players right now that we're going very late in drafts and we're seeing their ADPs rise.
69:51And I'm trying to get as much as I can of him.
69:55One of them is Brooks. The other we're going to talk about in a little bit when we get to the sleeper section.
70:01Yeah, I mean, listen, I like Jonathan Brooks. I've got him 15.7 spots ahead of ADP, where I'm just kind of in line with Chuba.
70:08So yeah, I've got these guys pretty close in my rankings.
70:12And I've been talking about Brooks and what they want from him pretty much since the draft ended.
70:17It was a signal that they were excited about Brooks, the way they let Rico Dattle walk and did not replace him with anyone.
70:24I'm going to go the opposite way than the question you just asked me, like who could come back to bite you the most here?
70:31I don't know if you meant it in bite you the most in terms of me being wrong about them being a
70:37red light player, or if you meant bite you the most in terms of just being terrible for fantasy.
70:42But what if we go the opposite way? Bite you the most in terms of who could be really good.
70:48It's Travis H. And Jr., right? It's Travis H.
70:51And who in that Saints offense, I think could be really, really good.
70:54And I don't think it's just him and his talent.
70:57I think it's situations. And in Jacksonville, you got in a very good situation with Liam Cullen last year, and that offense
71:03took off, and he was really good for fantasy.
71:06We could see the same happen in New Orleans.
71:08And at the start of the offseason, I felt a lot stronger about that.
71:12When Alvin Kamara reworked his deal, that's when I started to get worried.
71:16And it's not because Kamara is coming for the job.
71:19Kamara is a fading player for sure. But if Kamara continues to fade, continues to take a little bit of a step
71:25back, and we do see Travis H. And Jr.
71:28be the guy, man, he could be really good in this offense.
71:31We know Kellen Moore just runs this really fast-paced attack.
71:34We know all the weapons they have there. The offensive line is really solid.
71:38It is a good environment. It's just, man, is Kamara going to move out of the way?
71:43We thought there was a chance he was going to retire.
71:46We thought they might move on from him. If he's out there and he's this legacy player for the Saints, I have
71:52a hard time believing that they're going to push him off the field often enough to allow someone else to be the guy.
71:59But I'm kind of hopeful. So he might be somebody that maybe should be more in the yellow light range.
72:04But if we're picking from this group, he's the one that I could see really show up this year and have a great fantasy season.
72:12Yeah, that was what I meant. Which of these guys could burn you for saying they're a red light?
72:17And I think he probably does make a ton of sense to me for all the reasons that you listed there.
72:23Honestly, I think Bucky Irving might be the guy for me that I've really changed my mind on the most.
72:29I mean, you're going to keep him in the coping corner.
72:32Dude, I don't know. Hearing out of Tampa Bay Buccaneers camp that basically Kenny Gainwell is involved as a pass catcher, but he's not really a rushing threat.
72:40And Bucky Irving is getting good reviews. He's healthier this year.
72:43That might be a top three offensive line in the league in Tampa Bay right now.
72:47I think the offensive line is generally really good.
72:50I mean, not just the offensive ecosystem is generally really good.
72:53So when I'm looking at these guys in this fifth round range where it's, again, I'll bring this up.
72:59The Quinchan Judkins. The Cam Scadaboo. He goes in the fourth round.
73:02I don't even know if these teams are going to be good.
73:05I think the Bucs are going to be pretty good.
73:08They have a good offensive line. Good ecosystem. I will take a shot on Bucky Irving there because I kind of think
73:14Kenny Gainwell's proficiency as a pass catcher has maybe gotten a touch overrated considering he was just in the Aaron Rodgers dump
73:21down a dump off offense last year. So to me, I think Bucky not going to be what he was as a
73:27rookie necessarily, but could be better than that in year two.
73:30I just don't see the ceiling. And that was part of the reason why we put him in the coping corner, because
73:36I just didn't see him getting back to being that top 12 guy.
73:40Yeah. Saying it probably won't be as good as he was when he was a rookie when he was a rookie.
73:46That's what he was. So I don't see that ceiling anymore.
73:49But again, like I spoke about earlier, if he falls, if you get him in the late fifth into the sixth round,
73:55that's a fine range to get him. Put him in your RB2 slot.
73:59He's not going to burn you from there, but he's just not going to have the ceiling that you necessarily want.
74:05If you want somebody with a little more upside in that role, I don't think he's the guy.
74:10I still don't believe in him and I'm still keeping him in the coping corner.
74:14But we can discuss that the next time we pull up the panic meter.
74:18I guess we'll discuss that in the regular season.
74:21And we'll see how that goes. Okay. We are going to take our last quick break.
74:26We come back. We've got sleepers for you on the other side of this break.
74:30We'll get into that right after this. All right.
74:32These are our sleeper running backs for the year.
74:35These are the guys going outside the top 100 in Yahoo ADP right now.
74:39Number one is Jonathan Brooks, who we already talked through.
74:42And I echo Boone's thoughts there. He's someone I am ahead of consensus on.
74:46The other ones here are Ja'Kory Krosky-Merritt, Jordan Mason, Jonah Coleman, Nicholas Singleton, Daman Claiborne.
74:50Shout out to Boone. Deep sicko. Day three running back stuff there.
74:53Jaden Blue and Marshawn Lloyd, who are kind of like the same player.
74:57So we'll save them to the end. Ja'Kory Krosky-Merritt.
75:00I know we talked about him a ton. And this commander's backfield, Boone, it's like I'm in an argument with myself about it constantly.
75:06I've been just flip-flopping, flip-flopping, flip-flopping, like whoever I talked to last.
75:10And they're like, let me make the case for Rashad White.
75:13I'm like, okay, that's a good case. I think Rashad White could be this year's Javante Williams.
75:18And then you and I talk about Ja'Kory Krosky-Merritt.
75:20I'm like, you know what? Younger, more explosive guy.
75:23Running under center stuff. He actually had some good metrics out of under center.
75:27Maybe I'll list JCM ahead. And now there's a third brain demon in the conversation here, which is what if none of
75:33this matters because the commanders are going to stink because Laramie Tunsil misses the entire season?
75:38So I think regardless, 119 overall ADP on JCM is fine.
75:41And it's good to target this ambiguous backfield. So that is maybe the TMI of what's going on in my brain with the commanders backfield.
75:48Can you bring some sense to this situation, Boone?
75:51I'm surprised it's still as much of a debate as it is even, Harmon.
75:55Like this is one where it's the opposite of Travion Henderson, where the coaching staff was like, we need to see X, Y, and Z from you.
76:02And we're not seeing it. With JCM, they made it very clear.
76:06Like you need to be able to step up in the passing game.
76:09And it sounds like that's what he's doing, right?
76:12We're getting really positive reports about that. We're getting tons of clips from camp where he's working in the passing game.
76:18Is it perfect? No. Is he still missing blocks sometimes?
76:21That is going to happen. Like, yeah, this is a process and we're not quite at the season yet.
76:26And is Rashad White going to be involved in this backfield?
76:29Absolutely. He's not going away. He's not going to sit on the bench while JCM gets the vast majority of the touches.
76:36But they put out their depth chart and Ja'Korak Roski Merritt was the lead back.
76:40He, again, going back to everything we've said all offseason, he's the most explosive guy.
76:44He ended the year so hot last season. And he's really the player that I think is going to get the first crack at this.
76:51Can he do it? Can he hold up over the course of a full season?
76:55Those things we're not totally sure about. And that's why he's going off the board at the end of the 10th round in his ADP.
77:03I would take him much higher than that. I would take him inside the top 100 picks.
77:07But you often don't have to. So I mentioned before there were two backs late that I really like grabbing that I
77:14think we're going to continue to see their ADPs rise over the next month.
77:18One was Jonathan Brooks. Another is Ja'Korak Roski Merritt.
77:20He was the second guy in that list for me.
77:23And I think we're looking at two guys that are young backs that are really exciting players and who are going to
77:29be leading their backfields this season, even though the veterans who are there with them will still be involved.
77:35We're trying to find the guy that can transcend, who can be that fantasy star and that meaningful difference maker in your lineup.
77:41These two guys profile as that and Brooks and JCM.
77:44So give me all the shares of Bill, especially when he's going this late.
77:48You can take Rashad White alongside him if you want to.
77:51You can grab them both and there's zero risk involved.
77:54But I often don't. I often just take JCM and we'll let the chips fall where they may.
77:59Yeah, I've got him 17 spots ahead of his overall ADP.
78:02So I'm pretty much right there with you on JCM.
78:05Also 17 spots ahead of ADP on Jordan Mason.
78:08I mean, Jordan Mason pretty much at 120 overall is kind of last call for you want to starting running back.
78:14It's probably Jordan Mason at 120. So obviously it makes sense as a sleeper here.
78:18I don't know if you want to make the case for Jordan Mason or you want to talk about one of these
78:24more exciting rookies or RB twos with the time we have here.
78:28I'll let you take the jump at it. I think Jordan Mason is probably worth talking about because it wouldn't shock me
78:34if he out does this by several, several rounds, like actually becomes a decent fantasy starter, a low end option, but still
78:40a guy that you could put in your lineup week after week.
78:43And it comes down to Aaron Jones just being an older back and a guy who's dealt with a ton of injuries,
78:50missed 11 games over the last three seasons. And it sounds like what we're hearing out of Minnesota is that Mason looks
78:56more like the lead back in that offense. Now it's never going to be a total workhorse role for him because if
79:02it's not Aaron Jones, then it goes to the other Viking on this list and DeMond Claiborne who Aaron Jones has been
79:09talking up as a really explosive player and somebody that I think would step into an Aaron Jones kind of role, more
79:15of a change of pace guy alongside Mason. But even if you go back to all the struggles that the Vikings had
79:21last year, and we've gone over it with the offensive line injuries and changing McCarthy and all of that, when Jones was
79:27out of the lineup, you know, for over a month early in the season, week three to week seven, Mason was the
79:34RB 16 and fantasy points per game. So there is a bit of a ceiling.
79:38It's not a league winning ceiling, but he has a little more to him than I think people are giving him credit for.
79:44And this ADP makes no sense at this point.
79:47I think he deserves a little bit better. So he's one.
79:50And then to look at, I said my piece in recent weeks on sort of these three deeper rookie backs and Jonah
79:56Coleman and Nicholas Singleton and Claiborne as these guys who are kind of third on the depth chart pushing for the number two role.
80:03But are they really third on the depth chart?
80:06Because if the starter goes down, I think there's a chance that those guys have really, really big roles in the backfield
80:12and especially with Coleman and Singleton, I think they might be the next man up in terms of being the lead back
80:18in the backfield while the other guy in RJ Harvey and Tajay Spears, they have kind of these pass catching roles and
80:24they would stay in similar types of roles while these other rookies vaulted up.
80:28So these are all players that I'm drafting as much as I can late in drafts, scooping up everywhere.
80:34And I feel like they're going to be players that I'm going to talk about in the waiver wire column early in
80:40the season because we're going to see them get some opportunities, play well.
80:44Maybe the veterans start to take a step back and we'll have these guys on all of our rosters by midseason.
80:50Yeah, Coleman, I think I like more than Singleton just because I like the player and the team better.
80:55But yeah, Singleton definitely deserves a mention here as well.
80:58I'll just quickly note on Jaden Blue and Marshawn Lloyd, who I would obviously co-sign as sleepers as well.
81:03I think Jaden Blue's got the better path to standalone value than Marshawn Lloyd does.
81:08Like if Josh Jacobs is out there and he's Josh Jacobs, I think he just runs the show.
81:13But Jaden Blue is not going to eat into a ton of Javante Williams workload.
81:17But I shared this stat today with Nate on the NFC East preview.
81:21The Cowboys last year on their running back runs were seventh in EPA, fourth in stuff rate.
81:26So the fourth best in stuff rate, sixth in success rate on their running back runs, but 19th in explosive run rate.
81:32And that's what Jaden Blue can bring is obviously the explosive runs.
81:35So I really like those two guys as late round sleepers.
81:38Boone, hell of a show, brother. We previewed the running back position.
81:42We disagreed in some spots. We found common ground.
81:44And you know, that's the type of guys we are.
81:47You know, unite, common ground, middle, you know, middle ground.
81:50Find consensus here. Reach across the aisle. We love to see it.
81:53You know me, when it comes to running backs, let's do another half hour.
81:57I could keep going. We could go deeper here, Harmon.
82:00These deep like dynasty stashes. That's how you uncover the George Helanis that we get excited about in the offseason.
82:06That's how you uncover the Phil Maffas, right? Who could have a role in Dallas.
82:10Like there's a lot of deep backs that we'll talk about on future episodes.
82:14And people can go check out our rankings for where we have those guys as, you know, deep stashes, late round picks, or maybe even waiver wire options.
82:22Well, stay tuned for the super mega premium feed where Boone does 90 minutes on the likes of Keaton Mitchell, which there
82:28actually would be people that would pay for the premium feed on Keaton Mitchell.
82:32You know, maybe we can get him on Emmett Johnson.
82:35So stay tuned for that one. Ollie Gordon in Miami.
82:38Maybe a sneaky number two back in Miami this year.
82:41Anyway, moving on. You keep saying this. There are definitely people that would tune in for that show.
82:46So don't sign yourself up for more work, pal.
82:49But that is going to do it for us today on this show.
82:52And reminder, folks, it is Yahoo Fantasy football's 29th year.
82:55And to celebrate, we are kicking off 29 days of fantasy.
82:58Today, Yahoo Fantasy announced the addition of tight end premium.
83:01You can now set custom tight end point values for your league with the Yahoo Fantasy commissioner tools and boost their values.
83:07Great time for that, by the way, because tomorrow we are going to wrap up positional preview week with the tight end position with Nate Tice.
83:15Yes, that's right. That pod is going to be live at 4 p.m.
83:18Eastern right here on YouTube. Nobody loves these hand in the dirt.
83:22True why tight ends more than Nate Tice. So be here with us tomorrow at 4 p.m.
83:27Eastern.