0:00Big show for you here today. It's our latest mock draft recap.
0:04We got a big one here today. It's a tight end premium draft with Josh Norris.
0:08Tons to get into in this one. We do have some, you know, just, it's plenty of hardcore football talk.
0:14If you don't play in tight end premium, that's fine.
0:17But if you are considering a tight end premium league, definitely make sure you check the show out because we talk about
0:24where is the right place to not just take Brock Bowers.
0:27It's pretty early in the first round. But how do you juggle Trey McBride versus Colson Loveland, Tyler Warren, where the teardrops there?
0:34And of course, along the way, we get into running backs, we get into wide receivers, tons of great content here coming with Josh.
0:41All that and more coming up on today's show.
0:44Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
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1:00And it is a hell of a day to talk ball.
1:03And joining me to do that is Josh Norris, my good friend.
1:07Josh, what's going on, buddy? How you doing? I mean, first real day of preseason action, the viewers and you, including Matt Harmon, might laugh at me.
1:15I love, I love preseason football. I love seeing the rookies on display.
1:19I love seeing the depth charts. And I'm ready to, you know, rewatch all 16 preseason games this weekend after we do the show.
1:26You are a true sicko. And I say that lovingly, of course, as I say many times on the show, sicko is
1:32a complimentary term on this year program for sure.
1:35So, Josh, you are a true sicko for that.
1:38What do you think? Of course. What do you think is more disgusting about you that you rewatch every preseason snap or
1:44that you rewatch every post draft presser in its entirety?
1:47Well, that's true. I'll tell you this, Matt, the sickest thing about me, and you know how I know I'm old now?
1:54I started eating cottage cheese last week. That's the sickest thing about that.
1:58No, that's not that sick. I eat cottage cheese all the time.
2:01That's good. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. It was could be worse.
2:05Could be worse. Could be worse. We're not we are not talking cottage cheese on today's show.
2:10OK, there are the video views are just tanking right now at this point, talking about cottage cheese to open up the show.
2:17We're actually we are actually going to go round by round for our most recent Yahoo fantasy staff mock draft to give you our biggest takeaways.
2:25It's our first Titan premium draft as well. So a lot to get into there.
2:29But before we get into our big episode here today, we have some very big news for you.
2:34The people out there. Yes, that's right. For the Bills fans, for the Boone Brigade, all in the Buffalo area.
2:40Yahoo fantasy draft weekend presented by Verst is coming to Dick's House of Sport House of Sport in the Buffalo area on
2:47Saturday, August 29th, 3 to 7 p.m. Eastern. I'm going to be there.
2:51Justin Boone himself, Buffalo Bills native son. And of course, Josh Norris will also be there as well for a special live edition of the Yahoo fantasy forecast.
2:59We're going to break down everything. And I mean everything you need to know before your fantasy draft.
3:04We're going to answer your questions during a live Q&A and we're going to be giving away prizes throughout the day.
3:11So you got Norris. You got Boone. You got prizes.
3:14I'm going to be there too. So if you're getting ready for your drafts, this is the place to be.
3:20Bring your league mates. Bring your friends. Don't don't bring you.
3:23Bring your enemies. We don't care. Come hang out with us.
3:26We're going to see you in Amherst, New York on Saturday.
3:29It's going to be great. 3 p.m. Eastern. We'll see you there.
3:33Okay. That's exciting, Josh. I mean, look at that first first company event for you, my friend.
3:38It's going to be an absolutely electric time. But we got business to talk through here today.
3:43We have our first tight end premium mock draft here.
3:46We launched tight end premium here on Yahoo this week as a part of 29 days of fantasy because so much is happening here at Yahoo right now.
3:54One of which is these new tight end premium formats.
3:57Josh, big picture thoughts on tight end premium doing this draft.
4:01How'd you feel about it? Yeah. The number one thing with tight end premium this season is where does Brock Bowers go?
4:07Right. And I think there's two ways of thinking about this.
4:11Does he go with a third overall pick behind, you know, Jameer Gibbs and Bijon Robinson?
4:15Does he then go as the fifth overall pick behind Puka Nakua and Jamar Chase?
4:20Matt, I think the absolute latest he can go as fifth overall.
4:23What do you think? Yeah, he went third overall in this draft as we will talk about here.
4:29I do think fifth overall probably makes a lot of sense.
4:32I mean, I'm still taking the two running backs, Gibbs Robinson for sure.
4:36Puka went ahead of Jamar Chase here. That'll be an interesting one to talk about when we get into the first round.
4:42Yep. But I would take I would take Bowers over Puka and I think he kind of mixes in right there to me.
4:49Yeah. And I think the big reason why and I don't mean to jump ahead in topics, but like.
4:55Like Brock Bowers is one of those players in just a normal fantasy league that can break it for you, right?
5:01That can be the league winner. Sure. We go back to, you know, the 2020 season for Travis Kelsey and look that's
5:08the peak what we're chasing here, right? But he scored what six points or five points more than the tight end to
5:14that year and about eight or nine points ahead of the tight end five.
5:18And like Matt, how many fancy matchups come down to eight points a week?
5:23And that's the tight end five. That's the same in tight end 12 that we're talking about here.
5:28Now, obviously the Las Vegas Raiders in 2026 are very different than what the, the 2020 Kansas City Chiefs that went 14 and two and were fantastic.
5:36We're the best offense in the league. But with that said, with what we saw with Clint Kubiak and what he did
5:42in Seattle in terms of identifying his best pass catcher and in heavier personnel sets of funneling everything in the direction of the lead pass catcher.
5:50I know that they are wide receiver and tight end labels and those are different, but, uh, looking at that wide receiver
5:57room, he most likely will do the same thing here with Brock Bauer.
6:01So I'm not saying he's going to be exactly JSN, but maybe he approached it.
6:05Maybe it is that simple here, Matt. I think it's about 89% that simple.
6:09If I could put a totally random number on it.
6:12Um, I think he won't. Yeah, right. Put up Jackson Smith-Njigba numbers.
6:16Talked about that yesterday with Nate on the tight end preview, how that's just almost, this is almost kind of impossible for him to do it.
6:23And especially in the ways that JSN did it.
6:26But at the same time, one thing I, I thought I was going to be kind of over this, but Oh, what,
6:33what bothers me is that we are doing the same thing with the Raiders that we did last year.
6:38Uh, and again, Nate and I did an episode on this last year.
6:42We're going to do it again, I think next week, which is essentially just looking at the teams where offensive projections and
6:49ADP are most out of whack, where you've got multiple guys going.
6:52Early in ADP versus, uh, where these offenses are projected to be.
6:56The Raiders were a screaming red flag to me last year because of that, because we just had two guys going in the first two rounds.
7:04We're pretty much just doing that again. So how much better do they have to be Josh for, I mean, I guess
7:10the gente thing aside, but maybe for Bowers to like, can they be one of the five worst offenses in the NFL?
7:17And he also reaches that statistical ceiling. Yes, I, I think they can now.
7:21I'm not saying again, he's going to be, I'm gonna say Brown or Jackson Smith and Jigba.
7:26Sure. But I think from like a, a pure pass catching standpoint, we're only talking about two players here and like even
7:33bad offenses can at least get one there if not two.
7:36So now I, I hear what you're saying. I also would add, we trust Clint Kubiak way more than at this point
7:42we would have trusted Chip Kelly and you know, the, the environment that was there last year.
7:47And what has Clint Kubiak done in every single spot that he's gone to, uh, turn those offenses into explosive downfield passing groups.
7:54And that was the New Orleans saints, which no one thought that would be possible at the time with Derek Carr and then with Seattle.
8:02And that's not how they reviewed heading into that season either.
8:05And like he transformed them into like, I think 10th and second in terms of explosive 10 plus yard gains out of that offense.
8:12So I hear you like, I am more hesitant to do that with like the Arizona Cardinals, for example, who have four
8:19picks in the top 95 overall versus the Raiders.
8:21And we had Ryan Paganetti on our show who worked for the Raiders last year.
8:26And he brought up that their goal was to set an NFL record for targets and catches in NFL history for Brock Bowers.
8:33And guess what? Through three quarters, it was looking pretty good.
8:36Yeah, the dude had like 120 receiving yards and then, you know, had the PCL injury and the season fell away.
8:42So again, especially in your normal leagues, I think Brock Bowers could be like that pillar piece.
8:47And then we get to tight end premium. I'm all for taking him at the third or fifth overall selection.
8:53All right. We kind of jumped ahead to the Bowers discussion, which is mostly the most.
8:58No, you're good. The mostly the thing that is interesting in the first round, the rest of the picks are kind of are what they are.
9:06But before we jump into the just the round by round, I did want to just bring up our two teams here
9:12because we probably don't do this enough when we go through these mock draft exercises.
9:17Last one that the Boone and I broke down, I hated my team.
9:21Didn't like the way it turned out. And honestly, I've kind of pivoted my strategy mostly because of some of these early mocks.
9:27I didn't like this one. I feel pretty good.
9:30I feel pretty good about how these things have gone.
9:33What do you do? Because we kind of took similar strategies here, Josh.
9:37If just from an overall perspective, we both came away with three receivers in the first six rounds.
9:42We are both kind of and look, obviously, in a normal situation.
9:46This is this is about the first time I've taken Trey McBride, who I took in the second round here.
9:52I have not taken Trey McBride a single other time this offseason through any fantasy draft I've done.
9:57So this is the first time I did it.
10:00Felt pretty good about it because of the tight end premium format.
10:03But because of that, then I had to sacrifice that running back two spot waited a little bit longer than I would have wanted.
10:10And we both end up with the two classic like, well, we got to grab a running back two guy here at
10:17some point, which is Bucky Irving and Quinchan Judkins.
10:20And so I felt pretty good about how this team came together, was able to wait around till the eighth round to
10:26grab a quarterback, which was Drake May, which felt like a huge coup.
10:30Probably is only going to happen in a draft full of industry bros.
10:34How did you feel about the way it played out for you?
10:38You're right. Our drafts are very similar outside of kind of like exchanging round two and round six and kind of flip flopping those.
10:45I love my draft. You know, anytime I can exit no matter what, you know, the settings are with Amon-Ra St.
10:51Brown Brown, Kenneth Walker, the third and Malik neighbors in the top three rounds.
10:55Like I am feeling pretty. And we'll talk about, you know, neighbors and some of those round three picks as we go along here.
11:02And even Garrett Wilson. Now, as you said, when we go through the strategy of just overall drafting, you're not going to
11:09feel perfect about every single one of your positions at the end of your draft.
11:13And there's going to be a weakness somewhere for me and for you.
11:17It's probably the uncertainty at that running back two spot.
11:20Like you have Bucky Irving. I have Quinshawn Judkins.
11:23You know, we can pick apart Bucky as, hey, it's a three person backfield.
11:27What exactly is he going to be in year three with the Bucs?
11:31For me, it's Quinshawn Judkins. Awesome individual talent. He's also Cleveland Brown offensive line going through it.
11:36And he's attached to those awful quarterbacks. So then, you know, you follow it up with, for me, Bill Krosky-Merritt.
11:42You follow it up with Rico Dowdle and Chris Rodriguez.
11:45So at the end of the day, we are hoping to also have our eyes peeled for the waiver wire.
11:51And we just like turn that, you know, running back two spot into some steady production as the season goes along while
11:57feeling great about all of our other picks. The only thing I didn't really like about my team was that I have
12:04two boring veterans as my bench receivers. Michael Pittman, Jacoby Myers.
12:07Like I'd probably prefer one higher upside swing at some point there.
12:11But my upside swing was Marshawn Lloyd, who I took as the last pick before our fearless leader, Jason Kavaka, makes me
12:17take a kicker and a defense in these last two rounds in order to, I guess, make the whole thing come together.
12:24But yeah, I felt pretty good about this team.
12:26Let's get into the round by round breakdown here and get into the first round.
12:31We had the Brock Bowers conversation, but the rest of the first round kind of went to plan here.
12:37Jameer Gibbs first overall, B. Sean Robinson, Brock Bowers, Puka Nakua, Jamar Chase, Amon Ross St.
12:41Brown to you, Jackson Smith and Jigba, Christian McCaffrey, Jonathan Taylor.
12:45I took James Cook 10th overall, CeeDee Lamb, and then Saquon Barkley to round out the first round.
12:50Hopefully you guys have, number one, hopefully subscribe to the channel.
12:53For God's sakes, if you haven't already, if you're watching the video, subscribe to the channel.
12:58And if you haven't, make sure you do that.
13:01And then check out the interview that I had with James Cook where he talked about, maybe he didn't talk about, I
13:07intimated, like, are you going to be catching more passes this year?
13:11He refused to talk about it. But he did have a big smile on his face and said, you know, see you on Sunday.
13:18So we'll see what that means. I felt pretty good about James Cook 10th overall here.
13:23Anything else from the first round stand out to you, Josh?
13:26You know, on almost every single platform out there, Ashton Gentey goes ahead of Saquon Barkley or even sometimes James Cook on these platforms.
13:33I love to see, you know, us take Saquon Barkley ahead of him here.
13:37I can't even remember where he goes in round two and we'll talk about that in a moment.
13:43But I am one that's firmly in the camp that Saquon should be going ahead of Ashton.
13:48And it's kind of what we talked about at the start where, you know, the Eagles, albeit their shortcomings and their questions
13:54are just, you know, a better offense than what the Raiders are projected for.
13:58And at the same time, to me, everything has to get better for the rushing attack in order for the Eagles passing game to be good.
14:06And Saquon Barkley is still the figurehead of that.
14:09And I think you can get back to not exactly what it did in 2024 where he broke fancy leagues, but really
14:15make good on his like even 12th overall selection here.
14:18I have him 7th overall in my rankings. I have him 10th.
14:22I have Gentey 12th overall. And Gentey's a guy that I've kind of had hovering around somewhere between 11, 12-ish.
14:28But Barkley, definitely, the more you look at him, the more appealing that that gets.
14:32Also, you know, I've bumped someone down into the second round who we'll talk about here that went in the second round on this one.
14:40But yeah, for the most part, I think the only other interesting thing was Hayden took Puka Nakua over Jamar Chase, which I don't know.
14:47Then he has to see today that Puka ran into a sliding glass door, Michael Scott style at the Michael Rubin party or whatever.
14:54And also might get suspended. And also might get suspended.
14:57You know, one positive offseason headline Puka Nakua challenge.
15:00That would be something. But other than that, pretty standard first round here with the Brock Bowers tight end premium thing noted.
15:07Let's get into round two here, which also was pretty interesting.
15:10Starts off with Drake London, Eric Froton, our college fantasy football lead analyst.
15:14Went to Saquon Barkley, Drake London on the turn there.
15:17Then Justin Jefferson. I took Trey McBride. Producer Colin follows that up immediately with Colson Loveland.
15:21Ben on our editorial team takes Tyler Warren right away.
15:24So we're going tight end heavy here. Then it's Ashton Gentry, Kenneth Walker to you, Amarian Hampton, Chase Brown, Derek Henry, Devon H.
15:31And George Pickens. I think the interesting thing to talk about is this three tight end grouping here.
15:37Obviously, look, not everybody watching this video or listening to this is going to play tight end premium.
15:42Totally understand that. So in just a regular sense, Josh, how much of a gap do you think exists, if at all,
15:48between Trey McBride, Colson Loveland, Tyler Warren? Great question.
15:51Like this is the bulk of the show. I feel like is this run of tight ends because once the second one
15:58goes, it's almost like the floodgates are going to open in your tight end premium league.
16:02I am like you that where he normally goes around the 212 with Trey McBride is way too rich for me.
16:09I mean, for one thing, Matt, I think he ran 120 more routes than the next closest tight end last season.
16:15That is over three games worth basically of extra time played.
16:18He had like that. I think he's got a 60 route lead between him and the number two just overall route player
16:25last year, which was his teammate Michael Wilson. Just to put that into context.
16:29So that's that's nuts. That is not going to happen again, even if this team, you know, is going to go three and 14.
16:36Like I just do not see them passing at the exact same rate where they were, you know, last and neutral or excuse me.
16:43Yeah. Fast and neutral drop back rate. I should say highest and neutral.
16:47I never know how to do that when they're on the polarids.
16:51You know what I'm saying? Um, I just don't think he can repeat what he did last year.
16:56Now, with that said, in this format, it gets interesting, right?
16:59Like it's so difficult to rewire my brain where this scoring, despite being lower on him, how much does that matter in
17:06comparison to the Ken Walker, the third chase Brown, Amar and Hampton tier that I absolutely love.
17:11And then you get to like, I actually like Colson Loveland and more optimistic about him just overall when I get him in round three.
17:18But immediately taking the 204 and the 205, Matt, I would love your piece on this.
17:23Like, is that just, hey, I'm scared, terrified to leave without a tight end?
17:27Or is it warranted that these three guys should be ahead of legit options that might score 20 or 21 fancy points
17:34per game at the running back position? Well, I'll tell you just from the perspective of taking Trey McBride, it was a
17:40little bit of that fear based, uh, like not wanting to be caught up in the run here because I actually am okay.
17:47Just from a redraft standpoint, I have Colson Loveland in the same tier as Trey McBride and Brock Bowers.
17:53I mean, I think he absolutely. So I was, you know, it's aggressive to go right away into that and, and, you
17:59know, not wanting to miss out on it. The Warren pick was the one where I kind of was scratching my head
18:06a little bit because I think that's, there's a teardrop between, uh, Loveland Warren and all of those other guys.
18:12Uh, I still am pretty high on Tyler Warren overall.
18:15I have him 46th overall, which is just right in line with his overall Yahoo ADP 47th in a traditional format.
18:21So I'm, I'm in line with ADP. I'm just kind of ahead of ADP on Colson Loveland essentially, who is a 40th
18:28overall player in Yahoo ADP this week. Um, I, I think that the, I think the Trey McBride thing is like, there is regression baked into it overall.
18:36Like even where he goes in a typical league, Josh, like 26 overall, there's some regression already baked into that cost, but maybe not enough.
18:43But in this, in this format in particular, I think he's going to rack up receptions.
18:48I'm okay with taking him in this spot. And I think it just ultimately, I, yeah, clearly.
18:53I mean, listen, bud, just because I did something doesn't mean I'm okay with it.
18:58That is a theme in these mock drafts here overall, but I'm, I'm good with him here at this spot.
19:04The other two guys, I'm probably more partial to Colson Loveland as a second round pick as opposed to Tyler Warren.
19:10So here's my thing. I truly do believe. And even if I'm not drafting a ton of Ashton Gentry this season for
19:16what I previously mentioned, because he typically goes in round one, I'm not ending up with him.
19:21I still think that like Gentry, Ken Walker, Amarin Hampton, Chase Brown have like league winning upside.
19:27Again, when you get to like wins above replacement and all this type of stuff, it's all the backs that get 20
19:33or 21 half EPR points per game. Chris McCaffrey did it last year and he was like three wins above replacement.
19:39I mean, that takes you what to a nine and five season versus a, you know, five and or six and whatever season.
19:46Right. It gives you three extra wins. So my point in that is I just don't know how I can take these
19:53tight ends ahead of those guys when I feel like they have that potential.
19:57I hear you on Trey McBride and how he's so much of a figurehead in this offense.
20:02I will add, I am nervous going from Drew Petsing, who is from the Kevin Stefanski and Norv Turner tree to now Michael Thor, who is good.
20:10Like I know you are Cardinals curious, maybe to your detriment.
20:13Um, and I love Colson Loveland. I can easily make the case that Colson Loveland is going to out produce Trey McBride this year.
20:20I mean, Colson Loveland moves like a wide receiver, how he got, you know, 10 plus targets in like the final four games.
20:27They can build the passing game around him. And I actually love Tyler Warren.
20:31I was hoping to get Tyler Warren in round three in this format.
20:35And him going at 205, uh, blew my brain.
20:38Let's put it that way. Yeah. I mean, this, again, this is kind of breaking my brain because in no other circumstance,
20:44am I clicking Trey McBride in the second round?
20:47That that's my, that's my thing here. So it's a little bit tough to, to, to defend it.
20:53Generally. I think ultimately just, again, if I, in the tight end premium format where you're getting the extra bonus at, at
20:59the tight end spot and, and for any tight ends overall, I'm just really not trying to get into my third tier of tight ends.
21:06Which for me is, you know, Harold fan and Kyle pits.
21:10They're fine, but I, I'm more comfortable taking Trey McBride in round two and sacrificing at the running back for me to
21:16spot and maybe some early round receivers as opposed to what I'm sacrificing later on.
21:21Um, I will get to where these other tight ends go.
21:24I just felt the bonus there boosted it for the tight ends, but make no mistake.
21:29I am nervous about McBride. Like I am much more in a traditional league, much more willing to take both of the
21:35Cardinals receivers at, or for Michael Wilson, even above his ADP, as opposed to taking Trey McBride where he goes.
21:41Um, so any, any kind of go ahead. Final point on this.
21:45You and I are both in on Trey McBride as a round two pick and tight end premium.
21:50Like how early if you were at the turn, let's say you were at one 12, two Oh one.
21:56Would you have taken Trey McBride ahead of Drake London or Justin Jefferson?
22:00Uh, no, probably not. So this is kind of the tier break for you.
22:04It was between Jefferson and like this glut of running backs.
22:07Okay. And then I guess my next point is Colson Loveland should also be around to pick, but maybe for me, it
22:14would have been after these running backs. Or do you think it should have been right next to Trey McBride?
22:20I think I would have taken Ashton Gentry and Kenneth Walker, who I have as my running back seven and eight.
22:26I think I would have had them ahead. Actually, I think I would have also, by the way, this is where I wanted to talk about Kenneth Walker.
22:34I think I might've taken Derek Henry ahead of Colson.
22:37Okay. And I think I, I think I probably would, I still have Derek Henry ranked as my running back.
22:43Excuse me. I have Walker nine and Derek Henry running back eight.
22:47I just see no reason why like Derek Henry, other than his age is going to fall off.
22:52Like there's no indication that the team is expecting it, that there's no indication statistically last year.
22:57I think he is my favorite second round pick this year because it's just, he fits every format.
23:03If you went receiver in the first round, you can get a guy that, I mean, again, other than I really, I
23:09realized like the slow wheels of time stopped for no one.
23:12And yet this guy is built different, you know, than every other human being that's played his position in NFL history.
23:19And the team, I like the way the offense sets up again.
23:22I think he didn't show any signs of decline last year.
23:25So to me, he's a guy that I would have maybe taken above Colson Loveland as well.
23:30Can I give you one crazy stat? It's obviously from the great retreat bar.
23:35For Derek Henry, only nine other players in NFL history have as many seasons with double digit touchdowns.
23:40And here's the nuttiest part. If he does it again, which by the way, what he had 16 touchdowns last year, so
23:47he should get double digit ones again if he stays healthy.
23:50He joins a group of only Jerry Rice, LaDainian Tomlinson, Emmett Smith, and Randy Moss to do it that many times.
23:56I mean, that's some of the Mount Rushmore players in NFL history.
24:00And then we add Derek Henry onto that group.
24:02I mean, the only reason I have Ken Walker ahead is I actually think K9 is going to be used more in the passing game this year.
24:10And Derek Henry is still, despite as much as I love him, kind of a slow zero in that area.
24:16Yeah, I mean, I have him, Henry 13th overall and Walker 14th overall.
24:20So it is splitting hairs to me. And I buy the narrative on the passing game usage as well for Kenneth Walker,
24:27which is a big reason why he's been like a guy that I'm in line with him as a second round pick here.
24:34Anything else in the second round stand out to you or should we hit the third round?
24:39Yeah, I mean, if we both believe that Trey McBride and Colson Loveland should be round two players, does that mean Tyler
24:45Warren, who I actually think is going to inherit a lot of the Michael Pittman stuff that is gone?
24:51If we talk about RPOs and glance routes and all that type of stuff, when you go back and watch this Colts
24:57offense, when they need an easy button, when they need the split flow action or off play action or any of that
25:04stuff, Tyler Warren, and he also might be like their best screen receiver.
25:08Like I think Shane Sikin loves dialing up specific plays to Tyler Warren.
25:12And I am extremely optimistic about Tyler Warren this year.
25:15But I think even in Titan premium, the earliest I would probably take him is like the 301, like the 25th overall player.
25:21So this was a bit of a reach. But at the same time, you can talk me into Alec Pierce missing time,
25:28Josh Downs not being a great outside wide receiver.
25:31Maybe if they sign Keenan Allen or not, and like Tyler Warren is the number one pass catcher for this team on
25:37a team that, you know, I trust Shane Sikin and him putting up yards and points out there on any given week.
25:44I'm with you on Tyler Warren and his usage.
25:46Again, stat from yesterday's show with Nate, he had 406 yards on play action last year to Tyler Warren, which is number one among all tight ends.
25:54There is definitely an argument that they're going to be.
25:57I think it's almost certain they're going to be a worse offense than what they were.
26:02They were number one with Daniel Jones. Exactly. They were on a historic pace.
26:06So things might not just be running as pure with the Colts this year, which, again, can impact a guy like Tyler Warren in that play action usage.
26:15But I think you're kind of too far in the weeds if you're docking Warren at all because of that.
26:21He's an ascendant young player. A lot of easy button touches.
26:24I think you could honestly make an argument, Josh, in the full point PPR for the tight ends, and they're the only ones getting it.
26:31He could scam his way to a lot of usage there as well and be a pretty good pick.
26:37Apparently, a lot of the YouTube comments are saying we are sleeping on Devon Achan.
26:41I mean, I'm kind of just fine with where Achan goes.
26:45He is the 18th overall player in Yahoo Drafts this week.
26:48Excuse me, 18th overall in my rankings, 17th in Yahoo Drafts this week.
26:52So I'm kind of fine where he goes. I'm not saying fade him in the second round.
26:57He's just somebody more like, I'll let the board dictate it to me as opposed to going over the skis for him.
27:04Yeah, so last year, Devon Achan was my favorite round two pick.
27:07I loved him, relentlessly drafting him. So it hurts for me to have him 18th overall, even if it's right in line
27:14with ADP, because I actually think he is one of the more unheralded superstars in the league.
27:19People view him as maybe just an out-in-space speedback, but you watch the Dolphins, and he is breaking and running between the tackles at a high, high rate.
27:27My thing comes down to Malik Willis. Like, Malik Willis had the highest scramble rate in the league when he was with the Green Bay Packers.
27:35He only targeted running backs 10% of the time with the Green Bay Packers.
27:39We know Devon Achan was fourth in targets per game last year and fourth in receiving yards per game.
27:45And a Mike McDaniel offense, a Mike McDaniel offense that has done fantastic work with running backs over the last three or four years.
27:52So as much as I love Achan as an individual talent, I do think that this environment is different.
27:57Even if the offensive line has improved, I think being attached to, you know, Bobby Slowick and Malik Willis, who I like as a fantasy pick.
28:05But I just don't know from a receiving standpoint if he's going to be friendly here to Devon Achan because that is a significant part of Achan's value.
28:13Yeah. And just the Tua part of this can't be – he's going from the polar extreme here of a guy that
28:20was so check down sensitive and so check down heavy to Malik Willis, who likely when they get into those fourth quarter
28:27trailing situations is just going to take off running.
28:29Now, again, I think there's a lot of appeal to Achan overall in this offensive line if it comes together, especially that
28:36left side could really be pretty formidable. And Bobby Slowick was on staff last year, so hopefully he's not just going to
28:42come in here and think, well, the one thing we got to do is really remake this run game completely after we
28:49were doing some pretty good stuff at the end of last year.
28:52So, again, I think we're in line with ADP on Achan as kind of a second round pick, but someone that we're
28:59going to kind of let the board fall to us here.
29:02And by the way, when you're taking three tight ends in the second round, which is abnormal, I understand it's just the difference between the two formats here.
29:11You got to kind of remember that as you're looking at the overall board here.
29:15All right, let's take our first quick break. When we come back on the other side, we continue to go round by
29:22round here through our most recent mock draft. We'll get into that right after this.
29:26All right, we're back. Josh, let's get into the third round here.
29:30Spoiler alert, folks. I think this is a pretty inoffensive round to me.
29:33Yeah. Not a lot of nits to pick. On this one, it goes Brees Hall at the first pick.
29:39AJ Brown, Kyron Williams, Nico Collins, Jeremiah Love, Malik Neighbors, Devontae Smith, Chris Olave, Josh Allen, T.
29:44Higgins, Zay Flowers, Javante Williams. Not a lot to get offended by here.
29:48As I mentioned, a lot of good football players here in the third round, Josh.
29:52Okay. Can I pick one net then? In? Pick it.
29:55Your usual redraft league. You never, ever, ever, despite how good Josh Allen is in one quarterback leagues, want to be like the first quarterback off the board.
30:04Because your team just like feel worse about it.
30:06Right? Yeah. Especially when you draft with like, you know, these are the writers because they just like push and push and push quarterbacks down.
30:14So for producer Colin to select Josh Allen, 33rd overall here and also a tight end premium when we also are going
30:20to value that position probably more than quarterback two.
30:23That's some early stuff. Yeah. Here's the thing. Two things, actually.
30:26One, welcome to Yahoo, Josh. It's kind of a tradition here on the Yahoo fantasy forecast.
30:31Pretty much if you're going to do a mock draft recap and you're not going to take a couple shots at producer Colin's team.
30:38He deserves it. Yeah. He deserves it. You're really not doing it right.
30:42Secondly, I've said this a lot during the course of the show so far.
30:46The worst thing that you can do this year is take two onesie positions early.
30:51And he obviously took Colson Loveland, even in a tight end premium.
30:54It's fine. Second round. Colson Loveland. Okay. Then following up with the third round, Josh Allen, you're going to pay for it later.
31:01Okay. And guess what? Producer Colin is going to pay for it later.
31:05I'll give him credit. I'll give him credit. Rounds out his, you know, receiver room pretty nicely.
31:10We'll get into that. But the running back two spot is beyond problematic.
31:14So you're going to pay for it. It would not shock me at all, Matt, if producer Colin has his own full
31:21screen graphic of his team that we'll probably look at a bit later on.
31:25Wouldn't shock me at all. But yeah, you pay for it when you take a, and I like Colson Loveland and I like Josh Allen.
31:32It's just, you can't do both in back to back rounds and feel great about your roster at this point.
31:38Because like you and I both took quarterbacks a bit later on and we can paint a pathway and, you know, paint
31:45a picture of, oh yeah, that guy's going to be a top five quarterback on top of this too.
31:50So yeah, tough, tough scene for Colin, but you know, he'll get him next time.
31:55Maybe. All right. The other intriguing pick Josh in the third round though, is you with Malik neighbors at wide receiver 11.
32:01Um, it feels like it just a weekly kind of, maybe not even weekly, like bi-weekly, tri-weekly update about like as neighbors
32:08turns, you know, he didn't, he didn't participate today, but today, August 13th, he's out with the non-contact Jersey in team drills.
32:14Yep. So Josh Malik neighbors wide receiver 11 over, you know, some pretty good players here.
32:19Thoughts on taking neighbors in the third round. And where are you at?
32:23Well, it's been an odyssey, uh, with my Malik neighbors opinion this summer.
32:27I mean, he started off not good reading the tea leaves where, you know, you have the surgery last year, then you
32:33have the cleanup surgery because rehab was not going great.
32:36Uh, every beat writer was using the shredded three letters of the PUP, the pup list.
32:41Uh, and then, you know, in late July, we get one weekend where all the beats say, well, actually he's going to
32:48avoid the PUP list and actually he's going to be out there in the first day of practice.
32:53So it's one of those things, Matt, that, you know, you and I create too much content.
32:58And so I, I, I feel for the people that tuned into some episodes in late June where I was like, Hey, it's bad for Malik neighbors.
33:06And then tuned in in early August where I was like, actually it's great for Malik neighbors.
33:11Cause it sounds like I'm talking out of two sides of my mouth.
33:15When in reality, I'm just, you know, catching up to new information and then interpreting that new information and how I really take and draft these players.
33:23So now with Malik neighbors, I am all the way up at like 24th overall or close to it.
33:29Um, if not even higher than that. And so he's just more talented than a lot of these round three picks of
33:35where he's going on Yahoo right now. Hard to disagree.
33:38He's another guy for me where I just keep on, he keeps on going higher and higher.
33:43I've got him at 27th overall right now can make a strong argument.
33:47I'm 22nd overall. 22nd. Wow. Yeah. Listen, I get it though.
33:51Um, and it is a little difficult. It's like I said yesterday, the headline was, well, he didn't participate.
33:56And it's like, well, my God, did we get a setback?
33:59You know, something like that. It's just going to be a bumpy ride with the neighbors rankings.
34:04It already has been, but yeah, again, I'm looking at him 27th right now.
34:09He is in my second tier of receivers. I can make a very strong argument that he checks a lot more boxes
34:15than a Chris Olave, a Jalen Waddle, a Devante Smith.
34:18Now, the one thing that I also can't get out of my head though, can we get one positive update about the
34:25giants offense besides like neighbors is running? I mean, there has been nothing, but you know, even Matt Nagy's like, well, you
34:31know, Jackson darts got to play more on time in the systems.
34:35Like everybody else is just, you know, pushing sunshines and Ray bones here, uh, in the middle of August, except the giants.
34:41But, but I will say Matt, doesn't that probably affect everyone other than Malik neighbors?
34:46Like shouldn't that affect people's Isaiah likely bags or like the cam scatterboo versus Tyrone Tracy style.
34:51We'll get to scatterboo. Yeah. Yeah. Versus Malik neighbors.
34:54Uh, and I actually think, you know, the offensive line has been invested into, so maybe it gives them like a platform
35:00to have some success every single week. I mean, you, you had to have the football go in this direction, eight, nine, 10 times per game, you know?
35:08So, uh, you'd think, but, but that doesn't always happen that way.
35:12My friend, uh, especially in these like pretty static offenses, like which is what the chiefs looked like the last few years with Matt Nagy.
35:19I just think it's important whenever we do these.
35:22Okay. Well, if he's 90% of himself, you know, then that's cool with me to take him in the third round.
35:28And, and, but, and like I said, I'm totally in on him as a third round pick 27th overall.
35:34So I'm playing a little bit of devil's advocate here, but sometimes that 90% of himself, we're doing it from like the
35:41best possible outcome when there already might be some dampening going on with that anyways.
35:45So I don't know. He's just a tough player to calibrate to because of the injury and because of the changing variables.
35:52And I don't have a strong feeling on where I am with Jackson dart either, which is again, it's, it's a little difficult in that regard.
35:59Fair. All right. That's it for the third round for me.
36:03I'm done. That's it for the first, that's it.
36:05Same again. Rest of it. Pretty unoffensive here. Fourth round gets a little bit more interesting here in the fourth round.
36:12It begins with Emeka Ibuka, Josh Jacobs, Jalen Waddle, Ladd McConkie, Rasheed Rice, Tucker Kraft, Garrett Wilson, Harold Fannin.
36:17We got some more tight ends here coming in.
36:20We're back on tight end row. Travis, A-chan, Terry McLaurin, Sam Laporta, and DeAndre Swift.
36:24Josh, we got three tight ends back here in the mix.
36:28It just felt like to me, all the tight ends are basically two rounds more expensive than they probably are in a standard draft.
36:35So if you're doing tight end premium this year, I think that's how to calibrate to it.
36:40Yeah. I mean, this is notable that, you know, the entire third round was skipped over with tight ends.
36:45And then it's then the next person to, you know, pull the lever first.
36:50And there it was at 42nd overall with Boone himself with taking Tucker Kraft in this, you know, glut of tight ends
36:56that I would say is Tucker Kraft and Sam Laporta and Harold Fannin and even Kyle Pitts.
37:01We'll talk about pretty soon here too. So, uh, you know, round four this year, no matter what the format is, Matt,
37:08I absolutely love it because it's a, Hey, choose your favorite player.
37:11You know, it can be Ibuka. It can be Jalen Waddle.
37:15It can be Ladd. It can be Garrett Wilson, but then when you throw tight end premium on it, then you open
37:21it up to again, this group of mid round tight ends.
37:24That is, Hey, I can make a case for Tucker Kraft being the best yards after catch shot in the league.
37:31And if he's healthy out there in week one, you're getting a steal here in round four.
37:36Hey, Harold Fannin. He might be, you know, the number one pass catcher in a Todd Monken offense.
37:41Uh, that's pretty sweet. And then actually I would say my favorite mid round tight end this year is Sam Laporta.
37:47And that might be controversial. No, I'm actually with you on that.
37:51I have, uh, my tight end tears are my, my second tier of tight ends is Tyler Warren, Tucker Kraft, Sam Laporta.
37:57And I basically kind of flip flop craft and Laporta pending, depending on the day of the week.
38:03Uh, I really liked Sam Laporta 20% targets per route before he got hurt.
38:07Uh, he was averaging like second most yards per game on the team.
38:11He was the second pass catcher ahead of Jamison Williams.
38:14Jamison Williams only broke out in the second half of the season because Sam Laporta got hurt.
38:19To me, that is the variable that, that cleared the way for him.
38:23And now he's getting drew pets. And I, I think Sam Laporta here at 4.11, uh, it was a great pick, great pick, uh, here by Scott Pianowski.
38:31And, uh, yeah, as you mentioned, Kyle pits is going to be the first pick of the fifth round.
38:37So how do you, so you kind of stack these guys up Laporta craft fan in, or what's your order generally for
38:43these and throw copies in here too. Like generally, what is your order?
38:47Premium regular league, whatever. Well, I don't want to reveal too much.
38:51I've craft in Laporta back to back in tight ends and back to back overall.
38:55And actually I have a guy that I took a little bit later on right after them ahead of Harold fan and ahead of Kyle pit.
39:03So maybe we'll save that name until we get to that.
39:06Okay, great. We will save it. Uh, they're one of the really intriguing picks to me that I think is an awesome fourth round pick generally.
39:14And I was kind of happy to see him go in the fourth round is Deandre Swift here.
39:19I think Swift is in such a great position this year.
39:23Um, I just took him in the fourth, uh, fifth round of a different league where there it's like a full wide receiver sicko league.
39:30So felt pretty good about getting him there. Um, Swift is nobody's like favorite player in the NFL, but Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson really likes him.
39:38The offense is going to be good this year.
39:40He's a passing down back. Uh, to me, I think he's somebody that gets overthought when we're looking at that.
39:46Like, I got to grab a running back to zone here.
39:50So I like the, uh, Deandre Swift here by, uh, by your boy weaves actually on this one, my guy producer weaves,
39:56you know, if we stack the producers, uh, in mock drafts, uh, I know I'm taking weaves over Colin every single day of the week.
40:04No offense. Yeah. Colin embarrassed. Colin embarrassed the Yahoo fantasy forecast in this draft and the Josh and Hayden show showing out pretty well.
40:11So we'll see. We'll, maybe we'll have to, we might have to relegate Colin and promote JB or Jung, uh, on the next one.
40:18We'll talk about that. I thought you might say an all producers league to see who the number one fantasy footballer is of all the producers at Yahoo.
40:26That might be something that we can make. Yeah.
40:29Colin invites me to be in a league. I don't know.
40:32Every week. And I keep saying no. So, uh, we'll see about that.
40:36All right. But on a serious note, fourth round, really good.
40:39Let me just talk about. Yeah. Okay. Can I just talk about stuff?
40:43Sorry to derail us. Um, I think we have a running joke of, you know, every single Sunday when you're watching football
40:50and you're on Twitter, when, you know, Colson Loveland goes off, everyone in all caps says Loveland or, you know, they sure might be Luther burden.
40:57No one ever goes with a swift because no one cares about Deandre's when really, when really they should like, I've never
41:04been a D I'd never been a down your swift guy prior to last season, but cuz like every team he was
41:11on got rid of him and improved at that position, you know, Eagles lions.
41:15But then like when we got to the bi-week, it was week six and on, you can tell that the bears like
41:21went in the lab and watched, okay, our best run concepts with Deandre swift are this and it was a lot of
41:28stuff to the outside, a lot of pitches, tosses, everything.
41:31They even had like Ben a debt playing left tackle.
41:34Who's a freak athlete and they would just get swift in space and immediately it went to the moon.
41:39It was really great. And I would also say like the more traditional inside runs, he was probably his best in his
41:46NFL career last season than he's ever been. I mean, he produced a run of 10 or more yards on 13 and a half percent of his runs.
41:54That was six in the league. So you also have the, you know, upside of okay, what happens if common on guy does miss time?
42:02What are we gonna get out of Deandre swift after that?
42:05It could be one of the top 12 scoring running backs.
42:08Cuz I highly doubt they give Roshon Johnson all of common on guys work if that happens.
42:13So if everything stays the same as it was last year, swift is a good pick here.
42:18And then if he goes on to have like a truly back stuff, then again, you're getting massive, massive value on him.
42:25Massive value. I'm well ahead of consensus on Deandre swift from an overall perspective and a guy I'm really low on relative to overall ADP is Josh Jacobs.
42:33The other running back who went in this round just, just to be fair to Colin here who, who we've trashed on
42:40the show, Josh Jacobs was the pick in the fourth round by our boss.
42:44My longtime boss, Jason Klobaka and sorry, boss man.
42:47I thought that was a terrible pick. You can't, you can't pay me to pay to take Josh Jacobs in the fourth
42:53round literally has like every red flag that you possibly could ask for, for a running back.
42:58So I don't care if, Oh no, don't be scared.
43:01Don't be scared. Don't dress. Um, no, thanks. I'll find another player to take in fantasy football this year.
43:07And if that comes back to bite me, so be it.
43:10I think I'm gonna be fine. Matt, I will be honest.
43:13Uh, I am the loser maybe that is taking a lot of at this point with information that we know like Josh
43:20Jacobs and even some like Rashi rice right now.
43:23But I, I, that is, that is subject to change and per Kablaka, we update our rankings like every single day.
43:29So Jason, you might have a, uh, rankings update in your mailbox right after this.
43:33Great. Okay. Well, um, I guess you're, you're the CLV guy.
43:37That's what you're looking for. Is that what the kids say?
43:40You're looking for your CLV. But Josh Jacobs, I mean, I will say yes, it is all opportunity and volume based.
43:46Um, it's not like there's a beacon of health of running back two behind him.
43:51And I mean, there's not a beacon of health and running back one.
43:54Josh Jacobs is currently injured. Well, he is currently injured.
43:57Uh, he has also previously been injured in seasons and still ranks as a top eight to 10 score, even in those situations, because guess what?
44:05When they're inside the 10 yard line and they're running the football, who's getting the rock?
44:10It is Josh Jacobs. The dude scores a lot of touchdowns.
44:13You're probably right. Uh, I, I just, no, thanks.
44:16I'll, I'll look at the other players on the board for me, but you know, you could be right, Josh.
44:22So that's why I like these different perspectives here on the show.
44:25Let's get into the fifth round here, which again, starts off with Kyle Pitts, Tedrow McMillan, Christian Watson, Cam Scadaboo, Luther Burden, Quinchan Judkins to you, Josh Norris.
44:34I like that pick there. David Montgomery, Basial Tootin, DJ Moore, Bucky Irving to me, Travion Henderson and Judarian Price.
44:40Big running back round here, which again, started off with Kyle Pitts.
44:43Um, one, one pick I did think was interesting just to actually go to wide receivers here.
44:48Christian Watson, wide receiver 23, definitely ahead of his overall ranking, um, ahead of some other really interesting names.
44:54Christian Watson's probably a guy I haven't talked about enough recently.
44:57Uh, where are you at with Christian Watson this year, Josh?
45:00I mean, I have him ranked as wide receiver 24.
45:03So if he wasn't selected at this 503 spot, if I can remember back to when we did this draft, I think
45:10I was hoping to draft Christian Watson as like my flex spot here, uh, after, you know, wide receivers earlier.
45:16I am in love with Christian Watson. I think people still perceive him as this high variance downfield threat and that's it.
45:23And you know that his game transformed last year.
45:25He, he evolved. Like you can look at it from his routes.
45:29I think he ran for the first few years of his career, 7% out routes.
45:33And that jumped up to like 35% last year.
45:36He was their go-to player on like second and eight and third and six.
45:40Uh, you know, we, we fantasize about, Hey, these big play downfield catch explosive wide receivers.
45:45These big plays you know, came out Bakers when in reality we want the gimme guys too, you know?
45:50And Christian Watson last year became much more. Movie guy.
45:53And now we get a Packers wide receiver trio instead of a quartet or quintuple or wherever else you go with those numbers.
46:00that also him playing the Z where he's going to get free releases and some movement pre-snap like Christian Watson is one
46:07of my favorite wide receiver picks according to their value in all of fantasy football this season yeah just to put into
46:13context some of that improvement that Josh is talking about here 2023 season Christian Watson 70.6 success rate versus zone coverage this
46:20last year 79.1 success rate versus press in 23 60 just shy of 70 this last year so it was the best
46:26season of his career as an individual player and he came off an ACL in the same calendar season and your point
46:33there about him sticking at Z is so critical to me you know Matthew Golden probably going to be not a pure
46:40sacrificial ex but he'll do some sacrificial things to allow Christian Watson to do all the fun move around stuff so and
46:46I actually think Matthew Golden is a fine late round pick I'm really in on all three of these Packers receivers this
46:53year it's a group that I really want to target Watson in this range I probably will just have a couple of
46:59guys ranked you know a little bit ahead of him but same tier totally fine with where Christian Watson goes so I
47:06thought he was an interesting pick to highlight because we just haven't talked about him enough on the show I took Bucky
47:12Irving in the fifth round here uh Josh how do you feel I I feel good I'm like I'm back on Bucky
47:19at this point um I think that a lot of the news that we're getting out of Bucks training camp is that
47:25yes Kenny Gainwell is going to be the passing down like back he'll be the preferred pass catcher but they haven't really
47:32started to mix him in much as a rusher I think Sean Tucker is a little bit more of like a fantasy
47:38Twitter obsession than a real threat in in in the rushing department and I just look at this right now where Bucky
47:45and this is why I had to bump him up a tier in my rankings where I look at Bucky right now
47:52is just okay we know there's a good player in there somewhere we saw it not even just a good player a
47:58great player in his rookie season and this is an offense Josh that I want to be in on this year this
48:05offensive line is probably a top five unit in the NFL it's healthier this year going than going than it was going
48:11into last year Bucky's healthier than he was last season again I realize that Kenny Gainwell is a threat to the passing
48:18game work but I can also tell myself a story that Kenny Gainwell is a little overrated right now as a pass
48:24catcher because he's coming off the Aaron Rodgers check down um bonanza so I don't know I Bucky is a fifth round
48:31pick I've actually kind of really warmed up to him as that running back too when I don't get running back too
48:37early which is what I'd prefer to do he's one of these that I I get hot and cold on every single
48:44rankings update like I look at it and I think back to that rookie season where he is so good at breaking
48:50tackles I mean despite his size he really is like a between the tackles runner that if you give him the second
48:57level then he forces you know defenders in the opposite direction for a step then cuts off of him and then hey
49:04if you're reaching for a tackle he's just breaking it and then he gets the second and third level at the same
49:10time that was a Liam Cohen rushing game versus now a Zach Robinson one uh and we have seen that Liam Cohen
49:17rushing attacks are fantasy darlings and yep with Zach Robinson he had Bajon Robinson and even some of that was hit or
49:23miss some weeks right yep um because of like the tight end to tight end blocking so yeah I really like Bucky
49:30and I am totally with you that this Bucks offensive line has a chance of being a top five unit it's just
49:36this high variance-ness I get with the Bucks right now where it's like a hot and cold we're gonna go in these
49:43streaks where you know Baker and company plays like maybe a top five unit and then when it's bad it's like real
49:49rough but at the same time we're not talking about your running back one we're talking about your running back two and
49:56uh this is a whole round of running back twos yeah a lot of running back twos I mean Basial Tootin, Jadarian
50:02Price, very interesting players here, Trevion Henderson, anything just real quick before we go to break anyone here that you look at
50:09from a running back standpoint you're just kind of eh on the whole thing?
50:13No I mean I can make a case on literally all of them it's weird I'm a big Trevion Henderson guy and
50:20we have a show coming out tonight talking about the you know players that Hayden and I just compiled together are most
50:26different at running back than where they're being drafted and and Hindo is where we're most negative and it's just because he's
50:33drafted as the Patriot starter and he's not the Patriot starter yeah you know it's like it really is that simple and
50:39no doubt when he is the starter for the team if something happens to Ramondre he is fast enough and that offense
50:46is good enough for him to have and like scores the one of the top running backs in a six seven eight
50:52week span like he did last year but uh just simply put going into the season he's probably not going to be
50:59the one that touches the ball first or starts in that first series and so it's kind of odd to me that
51:06he is being the first one selected of that group yeah Stevenson should be ranked and drafted ahead of Trevion Henderson but
51:12he probably won't be he probably won't be so I think that's a good place to profit if people agree with that
51:19all right we are going to take another quick break we come back we get into the sixth round seventh round the
51:25eighth round we'll get into that right after this all right we're back let's get into the sixth round here uh general
51:32take as we look at this round the wide receivers are way better than the running backs in this round other than
51:38Ramondre Stevenson who we just talked about you know yeah this is when you're getting into like it's Tony Pollard and Jalen
51:45Warren o'clock which you better not be uh you know you better not be taking your running back to in this round
51:51but here's how it goes Jamison Williams Lamar Jackson Roma Dunze Parker Washington Devante Adams Mike Evans George Kittle Carnell Tate Jaden
51:58Daniels Tony Pollard Remindry Stevenson Jalen Warren this was uh the guy you were hinting at earlier Josh you took George Kittle
52:04at the 6.06 the 6-7 pick talk us through George Kittle where you at I think George Kittle as soon as he
52:11has cleared which it sounds like for Matt Zenitz and a few other people he is on track to do he's immediately
52:18going to climb a full round and I get it I mean he's coming off an Achilles he's over 30 years of
52:24age Matt I would say he kind of fits in that Derek Henry freak profile of oh yeah this is like a
52:31one-of-one specimen who is now on an offense that there are a lot of question marks around like we know Mike Evans
52:37is going to miss four games because of hamstring I don't want to be that flipping about it but that's just where
52:44he's at at this age uh they've lost Ricky Pearsall and now have Debo who will be a declining player as the
52:50season goes along and then while I am optimistic in comparison to market on John Stripling what if George Kittle is the
52:57most dependable pass catcher out there for a number of games and he's not being selected as that on many many platforms
53:03again he's going after Harold Fannin and Kyle Pitts who are going to be in worse offenses than the San Francisco 49ers
53:10so I am loving that I was able to scoop to me value in Titan premium in the sixth round here yeah
53:16it's just tough obviously he's a older player with an Achilles injury uh allegedly the good kind of Achilles uh tear which
53:23I didn't realize was a thing but we'll see how it goes man he's a freak athlete uh that's what freak athletes
53:30do they buck trends so I'm totally fine with you kind of grouping him in here a real value in the sixth
53:36round for sure I have him in the same tier as Fannin and Pitts so uh I'm with you on that one
53:43from just a draft value perspective the other pick I think that's interesting in the sixth round here Jaden Daniels are we
53:49still taking Jaden Daniels this high after the Laramie Tunsil injury he was a very popular submission for our fantasy hotline segment
53:56uh later on which we which we are going to get into at the end of the show yeah I don't know
54:02if you care um you know he's kind of being grouped in what in that quarterback three range uh quarterback four with
54:09Joe Burrow then you get into another tier after that um I mean there we times was big like well not just
54:15physically but also big for this offense in that you could just keep him on an island and then ask your four
54:22other offensive linemen to block three other pass rushers and that's it life's easy for you protection packages are easy for you
54:28uh that's not necessarily the case anymore like I mean are they moving Brandon Coleman to left tackle are they moving Josh
54:35Connolly over to left tackle I'm sure that they have figured it out I haven't yet it's just a downgrade no matter
54:42what you know so uh like Laramie Tunsil during his final year of Houston I was a bit concerned by and so
54:48were they but this past season he was freaking excellent so uh we know that underperforming teams based on expectation almost always
54:55it's because offensive line injuries or just poor talent and you hate to see your best offensive lineman go down before week
55:01one and that is what happened here with the commanders moving into round seven for us here begins with DK Metcalf Brian
55:08Thomas Jr Joe Burrow Jordan Tyson who picked up a little bit of a hamstring injury today never loved to see that
55:14what you want to hear not what you want to hear with Jordan Tyson uh Chuba Hubbard another guy that picked up
55:21a hamstring injury here which we'll talk about more of that in just a moment because it went Chuba Hubbard Marvin Harrison
55:27Jr to yourself Josh Norris then Justin Boone puts his money where his mouth is earlier this week he says hey I'm
55:34going ahead and moved Jonathan Brooks ahead of Chuba Hubbard in my rankings he takes Chuba Hubbard at the seventh pick in
55:40the seventh round that's going to go ahead and be consensus from now on at this point Chris Godwin goes off the
55:47board JK Dobbins Rico Dowdle Stefan Diggs Michael Wilson so we see the uh Jonathan Brooks pick here after Chuba Hubbard uh
55:54that will not be for much longer Josh Norris that Jonathan Brooks goes behind Chuba Hubbard no not at all and you
56:00know this is one where we've had people like Cam Wolf who are close to the Panthers organization say hey word behind
56:07the scenes is if Jonathan Brooks stays healthy then they expect him to basically take over that running back one job like
56:13he is the most talented back in that room um has that just been fast tracked now you know like if he
56:20is the one that is healthy heading into week one and while Chuba Hubbard according to Dave Canales is going to play
56:26in week one we know these things don't always go correctly um and Jonathan Brooks is he the one who's going to
56:33touch the football first and if he does does that just mean a much larger workload like is he the player and
56:39we hey and I just talked about this for our show tonight on an offense that when they're good at rushing the
56:46ball which they have been at times over the last few years and even when they're not they're still just going to
56:52run the football like they will run into walls over and over and over again and he's a really really fun talent
56:59so I guess my question to you Matt to put you on the spot if you said to yourself no matter what
57:06I want to exit my draft with Jonathan Brooks where would you take him well uh I can just tell you from
57:12an ADP perspective I have been like 20 plus spots ahead of overall ADP on Jonathan Brooks for all for a while
57:19now uh I am ranked I still haven't like fully adjusted to this whole news just yet I've had him as like
57:25my 79th overall player last week I had him as my 86 so I did bump him up a little bit in
57:32uh after the after the injury news today I mean yeah I think you have to take him like in the early
57:38seventh round which feels super uncomfortable because I mean when he was around 10 pick I was like oh yeah baby sign
57:45yourself up for that every single day I felt comfortable before this taking him in the eighth round because you just look
57:51at the rest of the running back board Josh it's like we're taking JK Dobbins here uh Rico Dowdle is the guy
57:58that I took in this round okay like I got that's a it's like a floor bet maybe there just aren't that
58:04many other ceiling bets available at the running back position totally and I get the obviously the risk for Jonathan Brooks is
58:11like he doesn't play it like he doesn't play a single snap he's what he has 12 rush attempts in his entire
58:18career I get the risk on that but you know here in the seventh round if you are looking for running backs
58:24I think it's I think it's a team sensitive build Josh is is kind of the thing Josh is like I'm just
58:31kidding but yeah I'm comfortable taking him in the seventh round so on July 6th Hayden and I did our running back
58:37sleeper show and for us that is always hey you have to be pick 120 and later Jonathan Brooks at that time
58:44on Yahoo was pick 124 and so that shows you you know yesterday's price is not today's price and even like recently
58:50he's been going around 103 overall on Yahoo in the ninth round I think his ADP just flat out flips Juba Hubbard
58:57where yep Juba would now be a ninth round pick Jonathan Brooks would now be a six seven turn player but again
59:03for you people at home if you want to exit your draft with him no matter what I mean Matt is the
59:10absolute highest you would go like where you took Bucky Irving you know I don't know if anyone's going to feel that
59:16positive about Jonathan Brooks there's going to be someone out there saying hey I want to get my guy but that would
59:23then be ahead of you know Trevion Romandre and even like moving up the board like could you even consider him in
59:30the Dave Montgomery territory is that just like way too rich I think that might be too rich just because Chuba is
59:36still going to play a role yeah I think that I think that's too rich for me um by the way it's
59:43so funny you mentioned like flipping the ADPs I'm looking at my last week ranking for Chuba Hubbard was 79th my this
59:49week ranking for Jonathan Brooks is 79th and my current ranking for Chuba Hubbard is 103rd my last week uh or the
59:56last week's ADP uh for uh Jonathan Brooks 104th so yeah I'm in I'm in on that just flip it just flip
60:02it I think that's the right way to go but I have a feeling it's going to get more expensive than that
60:09which is where it'll get a little bit hairy when we're talking about him versus some of those other running back two
60:15candidates but we're going to take another quick break we come back we're going to speed through some of the later rounds
60:22before we get into your questions for the fantasy hotline we will get into that right after this all right we're back
60:28we get into round eight here starts off with Kyle Monungay Blake Corum Drake May RJ Harvey Dalton Kincaid Jalen Hurts Justin
60:35Herbert Alec Pierce Isaiah Likely Josh Downs Travis Kelsey and rounds out with Dak Prescott uh we continue to see just quarterback
60:42value in these next two rounds is going to be great some of that's you know the just pushing down because of
60:48the tight ends and everything but just man try to wait on quarterback this year you might get surprised and you might
60:55get Drake May in the eighth round like I did here um before I throw it to you Josh for your reaction
61:01I want to note this is where Colin paid for the sins of his onesie positions earlier because in the last round
61:08I mentioned that JK Dobbins someone took him at 7.9 that someone was producer Colin who also took RJ Harvey at 8.4
61:14he has double Broncos backfield yeah uh it's just Matt I don't know bro when Colin produces these shows does he just
61:21mute you like does he does he listen like he probably consumes more fantasy football content than 99.9 percent of people out
61:27there and yet he just took double Broncos backfield you know before we were doing these shows live every day he would
61:34have to listen to the pod and then edit it afterwards you know like you basically have to listen to it probably
61:40about three times you know just an editing process maybe we need to get him back to that so that he can
61:47really get back on the horse here yeah I think we might need to have he also needs those three times maybe
61:54he's a physical learner where he needs to transcribe the entire episode by hand to like really have it register maybe that's
62:00how this works yeah we're losing recipes man it's a shame okay all right anything else about the eighth round stand out
62:07to you here I actually would say Dalton Kincaid eighth round pick I dig the eighth round Dalton Kincaid I'm kind of
62:13in on Dalton Kincaid this year yeah I mean look when you're talking Kincaid versus Kelsey and Isaiah Likely like Kincaid to
62:20me has a higher ceiling than than all of those you know uh now he hasn't been able to stay on the
62:26field because of health and then he also hasn't been able to stay on the field because he can't block uh you
62:33know there's Dawson Knox and Jackson Halls ahead of him in that department but at the same time as you know the
62:39uh underlying metrics are extremely kind to Dalton Kincaid in terms of the targets and yards per route run and uh that's
62:46you know that's even more important to people than actual fantasy points I've heard uh yeah if you can win your yards
62:52per route run league if you can win your yards per route run and your reception perception green charts league what is
62:59does he do you even really need to win the actual fantasy league uh apparently that's what producer Colin is trying to
63:06do with the uh Ladd McConkie you know uh DJ Moore Parker Washington run there so uh we'll see the yards per
63:12route run from week 15 on uh that's looking pretty good for the Parker Washington uh six round pick which I did
63:19like Colin by the way you know just just so we don't I love this year yeah just so we're not accused
63:25of cyber bullying uh of producer Colin I like the six the receivers were good but come on both Broncos running backs
63:32be serious here what is this 2005 okay round nine doesn't even want both uh Broncos running backs no he looked at
63:38that RJ Harvey pick I don't know about that Colin yikes anyways okay round nine here begins with Quentin Johnson Trevor Lawrence
63:45Jordan Mason Dallas Goddard Caleb Williams Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt to you Makai Lemon yep Jackson Dart Jaden Reed Chris Rodriguez Mark Andrews
63:51and Jake Ferguson Josh what are your takeaways from this round so when we get to this territory um you know I
63:58would actually consider if I already had my tight end one to maybe take some of these tight ends and throw them
64:04in my flex for tight end premium because I think there's a chance that those guys outscore some of the wide receivers
64:11just straight up with this with this format and you know Mark Andrews Jake Ferguson and Dallas Goddard like all the chance
64:18of doing that like Mark Andrews has a clear pathway of being the you know second target funnel in his offense behind
64:24Zay Flowers Dallas Goddard has that chance you know behind Devante Smith with you know the Dontaven Wicks Makai Lemons of the
64:31world uh and like the counter they had to the tush push last year was let's just shovel it to Dallas Goddard
64:37near the goal line and have him score touchdowns and then you know Jake Ferguson while he's the third third and sometimes
64:44fourth because our guy Ryan Flournoy plays football uh down the scene he's an awesome target and a very very high scoring
64:50in Nate Tyson's number one projected offense for the Cowboys so I think that's something a strategy component to consider here for
64:57tight end premium yeah no I think it totally makes sense there yeah the Dallas Goddard stuff maybe Kevin Petulo you know
65:03kind of didn't do such a great job with everything else because he was so busy designing up uh plays for Dallas
65:10Goddard because those plays were cooking everything else for the Eagles last year maybe not so much so yeah Dallas Goddard uh
65:16I like that pick there I wish the vibes were better on Mark Andrews I mean he did a great video announcing
65:23our tight end premium you know how dare you that was awesome you I mean that was awesome but I just I
65:30wish I was getting like man it looks like it's Andrews season again from training camp but I guess maybe everybody who
65:36other season can it be for that tight end room you know they're all gone like no not only Matthew Hibner season
65:43yeah Kolar Isaiah likely and even Patrick Ricard are all gone so we can't do this funny business of Hayes to Mark
65:49Andrews week it just better be a Mark Andrews week or the the Ravens are struggling this year uh yeah last note
65:56on this uh round two those running backs to Corey Crossy Merritt who you took uh Jordan Mason those are guys I've
66:02bumped up my rankings to just try to get them inside the top 100 if you're looking for those running backs at
66:09this point in the draft I like both of those guys here Chris Rodriguez too I have he's actually one of the
66:15guys when I filter like who am I highest on relative to ADP is Chris Rodriguez which is weird because I'm actually
66:22as I'll talk about in the mailbag segment I'm also kind of a Basial Tootin guy but it's just one of those
66:28hey try to get an ambiguous backfield and Rodriguez is many many many rounds cheaper uh than than Basial Tootin but we'll
66:35talk more about that when we get into the hotline segment let's just quickly look through rounds 10 to 15 one notable
66:42thing here in round 10 was just like this is wide receiver sleeper season here in the 10th round and I'm kind
66:48of curious if any of these guys stand out to you Jaden Higgins Rashad White Michael Pittman Jalen Coker Kenny Gainwell Jonah
66:55Coleman Jordan Addison Chigra Conquo Matthew Golden Cortland Sutton Wandale Robinson Romeo Dobbs so it's a mix of like interesting young sleepers
67:01boring hope you get some value veteran picks anyone here you really want to make a case for I mean to be
67:08honest a lot of them but the wide receiver show that we did comparing our rankings to ADP there's two of them
67:14in this group and that's Jalen Coker and Jordan Addison um really like them and I'm the opposite and it's Cortland Sutton
67:21we're kind of negative the inverse we're much lower on him compared to where he's going um Addison I think is a
67:27big one because I think people just are underestimating how much of a bounce back this Vikings offense can have where because
67:34you know it was what 26th in scoring last year uh I mean the year before that they were ninth you know
67:40with KOC calling plays in 2022 that they were eighth and so while Jordan Addison has always been that bit of a
67:47roller coaster wide receiver two or wide receiver three you're not drafting him anywhere close to that in fact you're drafting him
67:53in like deep wide receiver four territory as wide receiver 45 and uh I love that here you know this is an
68:00offensive scoring a bunch of points he was the wide receiver 28 in points per game in 2023 with Kirk Cousins Nick
68:07Mullins and Josh Dobbs and then was the wide receiver 21 in points per game with Sam Darwin in 2024 so I
68:13expect him to be back in like that wide receiver 35 ish range and that can only climb with you know other
68:20wide receivers getting injured yeah I'm skeptical on Jordan Addison as a player and skeptical on the Kyler Murray experience so I'm
68:26just kind of in line with ADP on Jordan well actually I'm in I'm in line with him positionally why do you
68:33see I am wide receiver 45 but I also have him from an overall ADP perspective like 14 spots higher than that
68:39because I think this is a good range to be taking all of these receivers I got listen I love Jalen Coker
68:46which credit to producer column that was his pick uh he's clearly trying to get in the good graces here with only
68:52watches the Coker segments that's it clearly he actually went to high school with Jalen Coker so he he knew Jalen Coker
68:59existed before uh I did so you know there you go but look at that yeah so it's a good it's a
69:05good round to be taking these sleepers I like Jaden Higgins as well I mean he's another guy I'm higher on relative
69:12to ADP uh so yeah it's just a good spot to be taking these younger guys as opposed to yeah for me
69:19Cortland Sutton, Mondale Robinson like you know what you're getting there I took Michael Pittman so I'm kind of being a hypocrite
69:25here on this one um so what does Kenny Gainwell bring you in this round you know like Kenny Gainwell is just
69:32gonna be a pass catcher and that's it you're trying to do the PPR scam and a half PPR league like he's
69:38a guy that I've bumped down my rankings uh especially because I'm getting higher on on Bucky Irving because it sounds like
69:45he's just going to be like kind of a role play like a role player as a passing down guy so yeah
69:51to me Gainwell um not somebody I'm super super thrilled about unless it's full PPR you're starting multiple flexes and you're just
69:58kind of looking to fill one of those spots but let's take our last break here I don't there's any reason to
70:04do a big breakdown on the round 12 picks um when people start getting into you know it is what it is
70:11because we have a really good bunch of discussions to have in our fantasy hotline segment we will get into that right
70:17after this all right we are back and welcome to the fantasy hotline presented by Toyota the official automotive partner of the
70:24NFL every Thursday we are taking your most pressing questions for the fantasy hotline and today we asked you all I asked
70:31you all on social media okay for who are the players that you have dropped the most in your fantasy rankings based
70:37on what you've seen or heard out of training camp the last couple of weeks and why some really good submissions here
70:44I do want to try to hit all of them uh we'll see Josh and I are um you know talkers so
70:50we'll see if we can get it done here first one comes in from at NFL underscore T Strack Tom Strachan Strachan
70:57our guy T Strachan our guy yeah T Strachan baby let's go okay here we go Basial Tootin is willing to be
71:03wrong on him but the cost doesn't math with the reports Josh based on the training camp reports Basial Tootin never going
71:10to catch a pass because LaQuint Allen is the pass catching back and Chris and he's never going to score a touchdown
71:16because Chris Rodriguez is the goal linebacker so uh no catches no touchdowns for Basial Tootin are you knocking him in your
71:23rankings no I I'm still like running back 25 ish with Basial Tootin um I still see like a pathway map for
71:29him to be a league winner you know what if he is the guy like what if Chris Rodriguez if he's the
71:36one standing in your way to being the top runner in a Liam Cohen offense like I kind of want to take
71:43that bet every single time you know and so yeah like I understand some of the negatives here with Basial Tootin and
71:49I understand when Liam Cohen gets on a mic and the dude loves to talk now he and James Gladstone loves a
71:56podcast interview um and he and he says like what what we're what we're hunting up now is four or six eight
72:02ten yard gains like to me that's something a bit short and like all we want is efficiency and Chris Rodriguez brings
72:09that well every metric that you look at where C-rod is efficient about five spots behind right there is Basial Tootin so
72:15I know it's a small sample that we're talking about here and he didn't play for Liam Cohen at Kentucky but again
72:22if Christopher Rodriguez is the thing that's standing in my way from Basial Tootin being like this year's Travis HN or this
72:28year's Bucky Irving that Liam Cohen coached I want to take that wager every single time of where he's going in drafts
72:35right now I want to take it ahead of where he's going in drafts right now uh I have him ranked ahead
72:41of ADP and it's so funny like he's the first Jacksonville Jaguar off the board in the sixth round of Yahoo drafts
72:48and this is an offense we all expect to be good it's just the ambiguity in the receiver room and in the
72:55backfield is combining to by the way I think just kind of lead you back to Trevor Lawrence I wrote about that
73:01in my draft day blueprint piece which is going to come out I think early next week where it's just it's why
73:08I keep drafting Trevor because he's the one who's going to be distributing the football to all these pass catchers but yeah
73:14I mean I'm ahead of consensus on a lot of these Jags guys including Basial Tootin and to your point Josh like
73:21what if Chris Rodriguez misses time like then Basial Tootin turns into like a turbo smash because when you look at just
73:27where he like the backs that he goes around it's the players we talk about like the Quinchan Judkins the Cam Scadaboos
73:34and all that it's like I have much more faith in the Jacksonville Jaguars ecosystem so it's not a perfect run out
73:40for sure but I also kind of think we're overthinking the LaQuinn Allen passing down back of this all too like yeah
73:47he's he's a long down and distance guy not a screen catch a screen pass catcher and stuff like that this is
73:53something where you know the report came out with Alvin Camaro that he's going to own third and fourth downs and Travis
74:00H is going to own first and second downs and people freaked out as if then a chain is not going to
74:07you know catch any passes when in reality when you look back at it last year 35 of the 36 receptions that
74:13Travis H and had were on first and second down you know like that's when the vast majority of these receptions do
74:20happen for these running backs so yeah I misspoke I'm well ahead of market I'm Basial Tootin I have a miss running
74:26back 22 right now all right next one comes in from uh Ames Clarkson Rasheed Rice this is definitely a quote watch
74:33the tape take but every camp clip I see out of him looks brutal no separation no juice nothing that makes me
74:39feel good about paying his price meanwhile Cyrus Allen is out there gliding I've moved rice down maybe camp clips burn me
74:46but my eyes are screaming at me right now um yeah not really a watch the tape take like a watch the
74:52twitter clips take here uh from Clarkson how are you feeling uh about your boy Rasheed Rice you're you're a guy whoa
74:59whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa I mean first first show you and I did together as Yahoo colleagues you're telling me I'm
75:05I'm just I want to draft all the Rasheed Rice I've drafted a bunch of Rasheed Rice my have fun with that
75:12pal I believe is what I said to you are you having fun never ever do I want to be known as
75:19the Rasheed Rice guy just in life and maybe this year on the NFL field um look I think we do have
75:25to caveat this as saying that it seems like Rasheed Rice is rehabbing his injury on the fly versus you know a
75:32lot of these people in the last month at the facility doing it with professionals he was in jail he was in
75:38jail so are we seeing that yeah in front of our eyes and playing out 100% now also I think a lot
75:45of the training can't flips and there's one that stands out to me where you know it's seven on seven in the
75:51red zone extended play he's locked up in man coverage and then Cyrus Allen peels off on a string and catches it
75:58in the corner of the end zone for a score yeah baby Rasheed Rice has never been good against man coverage at
76:04the same time when he plays Rasheed Rice has averaged over 15 fancy points or 17 depending on your platform uh per
76:11game he is clearly their number one wide receiver when on the field and that has been from year one until this
76:17past season and when healthy so it's tough for me to overlook how productive he's been and unless they like totally changing
76:24and reworking his passing attack I still am wondering where the football is going to like is it going to go to
76:31Xavier worthy Matt who I think is who he is in the league now is it going to declining Travis Kelsey and
76:37if not is that the boom case for Cyrus Allen because if it if those three things aren't working then Rasheed Rice
76:44is still going to score fancy points this season yeah I I get it um I think the problem there is though
76:50the Chiefs have a real incentive to rework that passing game based on the results from last season and I think the
76:57I totally hear your point about the man coverage stuff like that's never what Rice was doing I would actually argue that
77:03he was worse against man coverage last year than he was in the brief moments he had in 2024 which is fair
77:10because I mean he was coming off an injury you get that he's coming off of an injury once again uh and
77:16I think that I actually think Josh if you are going to be optimistic about Kenneth Walker which I am being like
77:23and you are too you took him in his draft being like a change force for this team as a pass catcher
77:29uh as like a a steady efficient rusher I actually do think that comes at the expense of Rasheed Rice who out
77:36of 112 receivers who have run 600 or more routes since Rasheed Rice entered the league he is 112th in air yards
77:43per target like that's gotta be it's gotta get way more real at some point and yeah you'd certainly like to see
77:49him you know looking better in training camp if it was gonna get more real but yeah I I think it's fair
77:56to dock him but not because of the training camp clips just because of some of the things that are surrounding Rasheed
78:02Rice and some of those variables there is kind of the way I would look at it I would be nice if
78:09Xavier Worthy was healthy that that would be nice but he's not either so we'll see what happens there uh okay next
78:15one coming in from Evan Michael 1990 Justin Jefferson because where's the Kyler Murray hype from Vikings camp uh I I did
78:22I mentioned this I actually did move Justin Jefferson out of the first round for me he's a second I think he's
78:28a second round pick this year I mean I get it like we are we're just really baking in like a lot
78:35of optimism here he was wide receiver 37 in points per game last year I get it that was with JJ McCarthy
78:41but do you think this team was like done yeah no no no I I get it but do you think this
78:48team is done done with McCarthy like don't you think there's a chance with just the way that this went you think
78:55there's that they are so done with JJ McCarthy I don't think JJ McCarthy is like on this roster in week one
79:01well I think that'd be fair that'd be fair I I don't know man I think with the Kyler Murray part of
79:08it all too like good quarterback it will be better than last year and I still have Jefferson as my wide receiver
79:14six I would just much rather take a shot on some of those running backs that we were talking about earlier over
79:21Justin Jefferson if we're looking at that like round one round two turn yeah we disagree here I have Justin Jefferson as
79:27my ninth overall player um it kind of goes back to what I was talking about with Jordan Addison where I I
79:34do believe that we are getting a discount on this offense because they were 26 and scoring last year and this offense
79:40that you know Justin Jefferson was still wide receiver four across the league in terms of team target percentage and wide receiver
79:47five in terms of air yards percentage so it's not like the usage or the opportunity change at all it was just
79:53the person throwing him the football and in literally every other instance that we've had another non-JJ McCarthy or Brosmer quarterback throw
80:00him the football Justin Jefferson has been incredible I mean he was the wide receiver three in points per game with Sam
80:07Darnold and the wide receiver five with Kirk Cousins and Nick Mullins throwing him the football so I you know I am
80:13not as high on Kyler Murray over the last two seasons as other people have been because he abandons plays a bit
80:20too often and he goes a bit maverick and doesn't necessarily read it out and once we get to the red zone
80:26you know he just turns down wide open Trey McBride throws at the same time I would like to think that KOC
80:33is a good enough coach that he can say hey trust me man trust the environment hit your back foot in the
80:39face of pressure and throw it where you need to throw it to because if that happens we have seen far less
80:46talented quarterbacks raise this offense to top 10 in scoring and I still think there's a pathway for them to do that
80:52this year 100 percent yeah I think Kirk Cousins at his best is a better quarterback than Kyler Murray we've seen so
80:59far I think Sam Darnold his best is probably better than what we've seen out of Kyler Murray lately and so I
81:05think we're getting like a slight we are getting a slight discount on some of these guys potentially but it's also a
81:12high wire act offense to a very boomer bust offense and Kyler Murray is a very boomer bust quarterback so I think
81:19it will look better I mean look I'm already pricing in a lot of improvement off of last year having him as
81:25the wide receiver six but I get it a lot of optimism here on Justin Jefferson so I actually think you probably
81:32are feeling better right now that Kyler Murray has been named the starter than you were a week ago so I'm not
81:38sure he's somebody you should necessarily be dropping based on the camp reports but all right so that's it that's all we
81:45got time for this week if you got a lineup question trade debate or league controversy the fantasy hotline here is open
81:51all season long so send us your toughest questions we might just feature them in an upcoming episode Josh appreciate you buddy
81:58this was an electric show I tight end premium we've solved it for the people out there yeah don't draft Josh Allen
82:04and a tight end back to back just be different than producer Colin and you're going to win your tight end premium
82:11league yeah I mean pretty much don't do that and definitely under no circumstances take both Broncos backs as Josh put it
82:17very well even Sean Payton doesn't want to have both of those guys on his roster okay great show today and great
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83:10know what I'm obsessed about Sunday shows preseason action as Josh mentioned he's so excited about it that not just Josh Hayden
83:16also going to join me to recap week one of the preseason on Sunday live at 4 p.m.
83:22Eastern here on this YouTube channel until then we are out