0:00Big show for you here today. It is a massive preseason Week 1 recap with both Josh Norris and Hayden Winks joining me.
0:07We go game by game and give you the things you need to know from each contest in order to really readjust
0:13your fantasy rankings, crush your drafts at the end of the month, the things that actually matter here.
0:18Okay? Honestly, there's some games where it's just...eh...not a lot.
0:21Not a lot to say. So we'll see about that.
0:24But tons of other good information in this game.
0:26Some real needle movers across the board. All that more coming up on today's show.
0:30Let's get into it. What's going on everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
0:33Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast and it is a hell of a day to talk ball because for the first time
0:40in months, we actually have some sort of real football to recap and to talk about and go through because preseason Week
0:461 is officially in the books and joining me today to talk about it is our guys Hayden Winks and Josh Norris.
0:52Hayden, I'm going to start with you, pal, because you've been doing real work.
0:56You've been writing words on the website. I don't know what Josh has been doing the last, you know, 48, 72 hours,
1:02whatever, but you have been doing some real work, pal.
1:05So you've got some takes to get off here.
1:08Got lots of takes. I did a lot of it after, you know, the kid goes to bed and there's nothing else
1:14to do on a Saturday night when we got actual ball.
1:17So I got run blocking takes for the folks.
1:20Oh, that's a lot to compete with Josh run blocking takes.
1:23Yeah, I went to a zoo on Saturday. So, you know, I saw a giraffe running around in the Africa section of this, you know, pseudo safari.
1:30And I enjoyed that a lot more than watching some of these guys in preseason football.
1:35So I can't wait to go through all this.
1:37There's, you know, 16 games to hit on. Like you said, Matt, it's months and months of repeating the same stats over and over.
1:44And now we get more information to read into way too much, way too much.
1:49That is exactly what we're going to do here today.
1:51Yeah. I spent my Saturday night with my entire family at a minor league baseball game.
1:56And that was much more clean than what I watched on some of this preseason film.
2:00Always a good reminder of what the NFL preseason is good, bad and the ugly.
2:05But we're going to try to sort through all of that and the things that actually mattered and things that you can
2:11take away for your fantasy football drafts here in week one in the preseason.
2:15But before we get to that, a little bit of exciting news for the people out there for both Bills fans and
2:21members of the Boone Brigade in the Buffalo area.
2:24Yahoo Fantasy Draft Weekend presented by Verse is coming to Dick's House of Sport in the Buffalo area on Saturday, August 29th, 3 to 7 p.m.
2:31I'm going to be there. The aforementioned Justin Boone is going to be there.
2:35Josh Norris is going to be there for a special live edition of the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast.
2:40We're going to break down everything you need to know before your fantasy draft, answer your questions during a live Q&A, and
2:46we're going to be giving away tons of prizes throughout the day.
2:49So pretty exciting stuff there. If you're ready for your draft, you're trying to get ready for it.
2:55This is the place to be. Bring your league mates, your friends.
2:58Come hang out with us. We're going to see you in Amherst, New York on Saturday, August 29th at 3 p.m.
3:04If you live anywhere near there and you listen to this show, you watch this show and you don't come, I'm going
3:10to take it as a personal insult. Josh will definitely take it as a personal insult since this is his first year with Yahoo as well.
3:17So please don't break our hearts. Come hang out with us at Dick's House of Sports.
3:22Okay, first game up. We're going to talk about here.
3:25Cardinals 27, Raiders 14. This one leads off the show.
3:28We're going to kind of go in descending order of things that may have actually mattered to stuff.
3:33We learned nothing in terms of the games here.
3:35I think we learned a lot from this preseason contest here.
3:38Let's start on the Cardinals side. Hayden, big story in this one.
3:42Jeremiah loves performance and injury coming out of this game.
3:45So good and bad news with him. I thought one, the good news was the role.
3:49He out snapped Tyler Algier 16 to 6. He was out there for like eight snaps on the first drive, eight snaps
3:55a second drive, and then Algier was mixing in just a little bit.
3:59I did not know if that was for sure going to be the case right away.
4:04Now I feel confident that will be the case earlier on.
4:07So I would draft him definitely in the second round at this point, assuming his ankle checks out.
4:12And that's the concern on the very last rep of his when we get into the reason why he's playing so many snaps is like beyond me.
4:20They lose Chase Besantis, their second round pick for the season in the third quarter of a game.
4:25That's also ridiculous to me. So as long as Jeremiah loves ankle checks out, I feel even better about him as a
4:31fantasy asset going into his rookie year. This was idiotic usage by the Arizona Cardinals.
4:35I mean, it really is that simple that that's the statement here.
4:39How do you take a running back that early in the draft and then really in his first preseason action?
4:44He gets 14 touches and 24 snaps in the first half.
4:47What are we doing? Like this is already a player that you should know exactly how you're going to use.
4:53And so when you remove Jacob Brissett and other starters, why not remove Jeremiah Love?
4:57I understand that James Conner and Trey Benson are out with injuries, but this is pointless.
5:02And I understand you probably want to get a two minute drill with him.
5:06But that last hit, I understand that Mike LaFleur has said, well, he has a sore ankle.
5:11He showed up with it and we're already going to keep him out for the next week.
5:15But Matt, we know that sometimes these ankle injuries aren't exactly reported as such an aspect immediately.
5:20So this is on my radar. I really hope, really hope it is just a minor ankle sprain because if anything else
5:26happens and the floor has already been cagey about week one, then this changes the entire landscape of where to draft Jeremiah Love if he misses extended time.
5:34Yeah, and teams have zero incentive to be truthful with injuries generally and even less incentive to be truthful with injuries in the preseason.
5:41So, yeah, I don't think we're going to get a ton of clear like what is this injury?
5:46Anything like that? It definitely clouds this. I saw Robert Mays and some other Cardinals reporters as well kind of saying that
5:52Mike LaFleur had thought that and the whole coaches have a thought that there was, you know, some idea that rookie running
5:59backs, they don't have the speed of the game quite down early on in the season.
6:03And that's why they had two other weeks to do that.
6:06I know they had two other weeks to do that, man.
6:09It just seems so reckless at the time, which is unfortunate because, I mean, when he was out there, he looked great, right?
6:16Awesome. I'm with you, Hayden, that this was one of those performances where I'm sitting here saying like, yeah, maybe I need
6:22to move him up from, you know, kind of just a few spots in the overall rankings, especially because I am pretty
6:28weirdly optimistic about what this Cardinals offense can be.
6:31And I think we've seen some of like the good of that in the preseason, like in the passing game, Marvin Harrison Jr.
6:37runs a crossing route into the end zone, scores a touchdown on a tight coverage look.
6:42You know, he was in the slot a little bit getting some downfield usage.
6:46Like I like the way the receivers rolled out.
6:49But yeah, the Jeremiah Love injury and guard Chase Besantis that you mentioned, Hayden, that just kind of clouds what could be an optimistic picture right now.
6:56Yeah. Yeah. Marvin Harrison, obviously the touchdown is what went viral, but I appreciated that he had that slot fade drew deep as a pass interference for him.
7:04And then Michael Wilson had an awesome out route as well.
7:07I'm agreeing with you guys in that like the skill group is way too good to be projected for the fewest points in the league.
7:14I would not be surprised if the Cardinals are better than that.
7:18Obviously, the offensive line quarterback play matters just as much as the skill guys, if not, definitely more than that.
7:23But there's a lot of good football players on this team, especially Jeremiah Love.
7:27I thought he immediately looked like one of the best running backs in the league.
7:32The comparison I always made with him was a bigger Reggie Bush, and he even looked bigger on the NFL field surrounded
7:38by teammates than I was expecting than peers. And he was already showing off the spins, the hurdles, all that type of
7:44stuff to create extra yards at his own. Hey, I want to ask you this, because right now, Jeremiah Love is going
7:5026th overall on Yahoo over the last few days.
7:53And we know, and we've talked about all summer long, the Cardinals are projected for the fewest amount of points in the NFL this season.
8:00I'm not saying they even have to get like to 20th in projected points.
8:04What they need to escape is being bottom five, because that's how it kind of limits you in terms of having just one or two fancy assets.
8:12So if you're saying he is locked into round two now, are you then drafting him over A.J.
8:17Brown, Trey McBride, George Pickens, Nico Collins? Like, cut me off when I've hit someone that you're going to take ahead of Jeremiah Love still.
8:24I like him over all of those receivers. It's obviously assuming that the ankle does check out.
8:29And I think I was really going back and forth, him and Ashton Gentry.
8:33Like, really, which one do I actually want more?
8:35And we're going to get to him. But, like, I like Jeremiah Love's tape a lot more than Ashton Gentry's.
8:41I like him as a prospect more. I'm not that convinced that the Raiders situation is that much better than the Cardinals situation.
8:47So I think that's a real debate, and those guys aren't being drafted next to each other at all.
8:53I would definitely take him ahead of Trey McBride.
8:55I would take him ahead of A.J. Brown. And, I mean, I already have him ranked ahead of A.J.
9:01Brown, do I, with Jeremiah Love. But, yeah, I mean, some of these guys, like, Nico Collins is a tough one for me because I like Nico Collins.
9:09But I think, again, if the ankle checks out, I'm with you, Hayden, that I'm pushing Love up the rankings.
9:14And just last note on the receivers here before we move off of this offense, because I've already spent way too much time talking about the Cardinals.
9:22I did just give a shout-out to Stan Boston, one of my Sicko subscribers in Discord, charted the alignment for the receivers in this game.
9:29So, you know, really spreading the gospel here of what matters at the wide receiver position.
9:33He had Marv at a 69% rate of snaps on the ball, which is well below his career rate so far.
9:39And I think you just do see some of the dynamism that LaFleur is going to bring to this offense.
9:45Let's just hope this was a rookie mistake for first-year head coach Mike LaFleur with this Jeremiah Love thing, and we can move forward and move beyond it.
9:53Let's talk Raiders here because a lot of other interesting things to take away from this team as well, especially Josh.
9:59I mean, this is our first look at Kubiak, Fernando Mendoza, and I would say Mendoza, you know, a lot of other
10:05things to take away here from the Raiders, but first and foremost, I mean, he looked good out there, especially ripping the
10:11ball over the middle of the field. Yeah, looks super sharp.
10:15And what we always knew about Fernando Mendoza at Indiana was these big outside patterns along the sideline, outside the numbers.
10:20He just rips it with ease. He's like very Sam Darnold-ish, excuse me, Sam Bradford-ish with those.
10:25That's the comparison I keep coming back to, albeit Mendoza's a bit more mobile.
10:29But what I love the most was, you know, he took a first down sack once they got into the red zone,
10:35and that made it about second and goal from the 12-yard line.
10:39And he went full field progression, one, two, three, to this backside return to Ian Thomas to set them up then at
10:45the six-yard line for a third and goal. And then he fires it in there to our guy Jack Besch for the
10:51touchdown in like this really, really tight window. And so it shows you that, hey, even when a negative play can happen
10:58on first down, that we're already seeing a comfort level in a Kubiak offense to go first, second, third, full field read.
11:04And I guess the question coming out of this, and we're going to get two more weeks of it, is all offseason,
11:10all of the Raiders brass from Tom Brady to Spytek to whoever else is saying, well, Kirk Cousins is going to start
11:16for a very long time, and we don't need Fernando Mendoza.
11:19Hayden, where are you at? Do you think that's going to change at all from here?
11:24I mean, objectively, Fernando Mendoza is ready to go like right away.
11:27Like I thought that he did awesome going through his reads.
11:30I thought that they missed a touchdown opportunity. That was not his fault, and that was a really good readout by him.
11:37That out route that he talked about to Jack Besch was really clean.
11:40He was not playing much under center in college, and then he did that in his preseason debut.
11:45I thought he handled it well. I thought Kirk Cousins also played pretty well as well.
11:50The other big note that I saw with the Raiders is just a diversity in the personnel groupings.
11:55Their first drive is a long drive. They had 11, 12, 21, and 22 personnel.
11:59There was under center. There was motion. There was play action reps.
12:03This looked like a complicated offense, and the fact that Fernando Mendoza right away was able to execute it, I think it's
12:09like, what are we wasting our time for? Kirk Cousins, I think that he would do just fine in this offense as
12:15well, but I think he's ready to go right now.
12:18The veteran's going to start half the season stuff.
12:21Almost always you can bet against that. That's an offseason thing.
12:24That's what we talk about when there aren't real games happening.
12:27I think there's a chance that Kirk starts week one.
12:30I'd probably say it's still the favorite of the outcomes here, but I think we see Mendoza sooner than later.
12:35Any notes on just some of the role players on this Raiders squad?
12:39Because I think we saw a lot. I'm not sure that's a ton of guys that are going to help us in
12:45fantasy football this year, but kind of brings the whole offense together around two players that we are drafting very highly in Ashton Gentile and Brock Bowers.
12:53Either you guys have notes on just some of the reserve players here.
12:57I'll add something on Mike Washington Jr. Like we on our show always talk about the best handcuffs in fantasy football.
13:03I would rank it Tank Bigsby, Marshawn Lynch, excuse me, Marshawn Lloyd, and then Mike Washington Jr.
13:07as the third best handcuff in all of fantasy football right now.
13:11And if you give him a crease, if you give him a lane, if you give him some space, he is going to rip long runs.
13:18He is so big and so athletic and how they got him to the second level, really the third level on that
13:24long run that he had where 29, a filling defensive back, like dives at his ankles.
13:29He hurdles that and then attacks 36 through contact, attempted upper body tackle, and then runs an extra 30 yards.
13:35Mike Washington Jr. is so much fun and who knows how much he's going to see the field.
13:40But if ever Ashton Gentile goes down, Mike Washington Jr.
13:42is going to be a top 15 ranked running back every single week.
13:46Yeah, I'm not sure if they got him to the third level or if he just got himself to the third level.
13:52I thought that was one of the most impressive runs that we'll see of the entire season.
13:57He was absolutely flying in the field and top of the broken tackles.
14:01I don't think that Ashton Gentile would be able to run like that.
14:05Obviously, there's a long way to go for Mike Washington to carve into that.
14:09But that was like freakazoid athlete stuff from him.
14:11My other notes real quick, Matt. Trey Tucker played the first wide receiver or one wide receiver set snap ahead of Jalen Naylor.
14:18I thought that was kind of interesting. And then Jack Besh, he was a slot wide receiver in three wide receiver sets.
14:24Michael Mayer scores a touchdown. So like that Tucker Naylor-Besch-Mayer combination.
14:27I think one guy's got a chance to emerge from that group in the deepest of leagues.
14:32But really, it's just going to be Brock Bowers who's out there for like, I think, a half second.
14:37Ashton Gentile. And I agree with Josh. I'm going to keep moving up Mike Washington.
14:41Yeah, that's definitely a good call on Mike Washington.
14:44I'll just say for the Jack Besh bros out there, I thought he looked good.
14:48I thought they had the right role for him, which obviously the previous staff did not.
14:53So had good catches from both quarterbacks as well.
14:55So yeah, I did think it was a nice.
14:58It's just one of those things, too, when you're looking at a new staff.
15:02Do they know what they're doing with their players?
15:04I think it was very early, like very apparent very early on that the last Raiders staff did not.
15:10With, you know, not just Besh, but kind of the entire roster.
15:13Again, it's one preseason game. Don't want to overreact.
15:16But I'm a Kubiak fan. And I think they kind of got the right roles for a lot of these guys.
15:22But yeah, probably not a massive hit in fantasy with the ancillary players for the Las Vegas Raiders.
15:27But let's move to the next game here. Titans 19, 49ers 13.
15:30Let's start on the Tennessee Titans side. And Hayden, I gather from the social media streets, you weren't a big fan of
15:36what you saw from the 2025 number one overall pick in this preseason game.
15:40Yeah, I see that the looked awful quote graphic made it onto X.
15:44Well, let's just be honest. He did look really awful.
15:47Didn't look good. There was a really bad retreating intentional grounding that was nearly a fumble.
15:51And this is exactly what would happen like once every week last year.
15:55There were so many fumbles and near fumbles. And the fact that like immediately we had that, that was concerning to me.
16:01I thought he missed a couple underneath throws with just like really poor accuracy.
16:05And it was also the loose mechanics. It wasn't like, oh, that was perfect in rhythm.
16:10And he just missed it. It was like, no, like his front foot is flying all over the place.
16:15They were doing a lot of the RPO play action stuff where it's trickier footwork, but it did not look a little clean after the game.
16:23Even Robert Sala had to say that like this, the mechanics, he just looked really rushed out there.
16:28So that's not what I like to see because those are the two negatives that you saw in Cam Ward's game the previous season.
16:34And then I think for fantasy purposes, if what happened in this game carries over to the regular season at all, we're
16:41in big trouble with all these guys. There was a full-blown rotation.
16:44We can get into that in a second. But it was a combination of, oh no, Cam Ward looks exactly how he
16:50did as a rookie, which is almost like the worst starting quarterback in the league.
16:55Plus now we might have a rotation. Like how exactly are we going to get there in fantasy?
17:00Just quickly on that, you know, the 2024 season for Titans fans, they saw Will Levis have one like brain melting play every single week.
17:07And then when you watched Cam Ward at Miami, Hayden, I warned everyone, hey, you're going to see these again.
17:12And then it happened during his rookie season. And you would like to think going, he's played a lot of football, you
17:19know, and going into a second year too, that he wouldn't have one of these plays.
17:23And that play you're talking about, Hayden, it was a three levels concept to the left side.
17:28And instead of hitting any of it, he just then retreats to his own sideline.
17:32It's unbelievable. You can't do that at all. And then, as you said, there was RPO to the left, high throw to Wandale, just totally missed.
17:40Missed Cardinal Tate on a speed out as well.
17:42Didn't put on the body of Wandale on an RPO slant.
17:45And then missed Alec Aymanor on another slant. And nearly threw a pick on the next play.
17:50So the inaccuracy, like one thing that we talked about Cam Ward that we really liked was how quick his ball handling was.
17:57How he could get it out of his hand swiftly.
17:59But the inaccuracy popped here. And as much as we kind of gave credit to Brian Dayball for building an offense around
18:06Jackson Dart strengths last year, maybe we'll see more.
18:08And again, these are early reactions. But maybe the Cam Ward and Brian Dayball relationship isn't as good as the Jackson Dart
18:14and Brian Dayball one was last year. Yeah, I'm a Dayball skeptic.
18:18I think I'm a Cam Ward skeptic too. And so, you know, some of this is confirmation bias.
18:23But basically, nothing I saw in this game made me want to draft any Tennessee Titans players in fantasy football.
18:29Which I kind of already felt that way. I wasn't necessarily high on this offense overall.
18:33It's a... I don't know. To me, it's going to be very spread and shred.
18:37It's going to kind of lean into some of the worst instincts, really, for Cam Ward.
18:42I think there needs to be something that pushes him forward in his development.
18:46This is kind of just going to be that high wire act in general.
18:50And as we were talking about too, there was a rotation both at receiver and in the running back room.
18:56And by the way, this might also be the 31st ranked offensive line, 32nd ranked offensive line in the NFL.
19:01Yeah, it's just... To me, every now and again, there's a team that you can just kind of cross off.
19:07And to me, the Titans, some of these guys are just...
19:10They're going pretty aggressive relative to what I think this offense could look like.
19:14And just last point before I throw it to either of you guys to just close the loop here on the Titans.
19:20Hayden, you mentioned the rotation. I want to get your thoughts on that.
19:24Some of this is the stuff that's been reported from practice too.
19:27At least the unevenness of it all. This is a consistent drumbeat with just how this has gone for Cam Ward so far.
19:34Yeah. So to speak on the rotation at wide receiver, it was the same 11 personnel you'd expect.
19:39Calvin Ridley at X receiver. Cardinal Tate at Z.
19:41Wandale in the slot only. Wandale only in the slot.
19:44But then after Calvin Ridley kind of left, here comes Ellicke Ayuminor to the point that Cardinal Tate wasn't even on the field for all the snaps.
19:52And then Chimiri Dike played in the slot as well.
19:55It's like they were running five wide receivers in a rotation out there.
19:58Same thing with the tight end grouping with Bellinger and Gunnar Helms.
20:02That's really hard for Gunnar Helm to get home.
20:04And then even, I think maybe the most important for fantasy purposes, it was not like Tony Pollard, the clear-cut starter, Tyje Spears, a total afterthought.
20:12That was also a rotation. And stints about five plays on, five plays off for them.
20:16Spears had a really good run at one point.
20:19And then Pollard scored nearly untouched. So if this is just going to be a tryout season and it's a new scheme
20:25and all these guys are going to rotate, the offensive line stinks and Cam Ward as a boom-bust prospect is looking like the latter, I'm really nervous.
20:33And I would feel pretty comfortable walking away from zero exposure with all these Tennessee Titans.
20:37I do want to say just quickly, the Cam Ward stuff, I want to give him a little bit more time.
20:43I understand he's played a ton of football. I don't want to say that he is on the bust path at this point.
20:50Again, we barely played now. I kind of think maybe this year we have to consider it his rookie season.
20:55All over again, because they're reworking a whole bunch of stuff.
20:58Now the running back is the big conversation here.
21:01Like Tony Pollard going as the 82nd overall pick at the end of the seventh round right now on Yahoo, when he
21:07plays nine snaps and has five carries in the first 22.
21:10And then Tajay Spears, 13 snaps and four opportunities.
21:13Like that is the biggest change versus what people were expecting heading into this season.
21:17I've always been a Tajay Spears supporter and we saw it in this one.
21:21Like he creates yards on his own. He forces people to miss and phone boosts.
21:25And so maybe that's on me, Matt, for not being in tune with the reporting so far.
21:30But that was a shock when I went back and watched this because I that reporting was not on my timeline nearly
21:36enough that this was going to be a true 50-50 split.
21:40Yeah, that's definitely concerning. And again, especially within the context that we have questions about the overall offensive ecosystem here.
21:45One thing we don't have questions about on the other side of this game.
21:49I mean, Dazon Stribbling, when are we making this bust up for Canton, bro?
21:53I mean, this guy is the man. I'm kidding, of course.
21:56But Stribbling, according to Pro Football Focus, was in the slot on 14 plays, out wide on eight.
22:01I saw a lot of Z and big slot usage for him, which for me was very consistent with how I expected
22:08him to be used based on his reception, perception, prospect charting.
22:11I think maybe more importantly, guys, like it's tough to tell with like routes and separation.
22:15Like I'll never be charting routes from the preseason game.
22:18But I thought he looked comfortable out there and made a lot of catches away from his frame consistently, which is again,
22:24very, I know you guys studied him before the draft as well.
22:28That was again, very consistent with how I thought he would be used.
22:31So I'll just put it to you guys both this way.
22:35I'll let you go first, Josh. Like how high are we pushing Deshaun Stribbling up the board right now?
22:40So I had him prior to this as wide receiver 51.
22:43And that was for me right after names like Jacoby Myers and Jalen Coker ahead of Jane Higgins and Wondale Robinson and Rashid Shaheed.
22:50Like I want to push him even higher than that because there is a story you can tell that we look at
22:56the end of the season and Deshaun Stribbling is the number one scoring wide receiver on the San Francisco 49ers offense.
23:02And maybe two weeks ago, people would think you were insane for that.
23:06And Matt, I just love that. He looked like a legit NFL wide receiver and he was running from condensed splits.
23:12He was lining up outside inside. He got manufactured touches, quick patterns, downfield ones.
23:16So I don't know how much higher I can push him because there are some really good wide receiver names that have been producers in the past.
23:23But that's what I'm going to figure out this week is just how high I can suggest, hey, people draft Deshaun Stribbling right now.
23:30I got Stribbling as my wide receiver 40. I have him right next to Quinton Johnston and Carnell Tate.
23:35Let's go. I'm ready to go. I mean, the fact that he was like this productive is like one thing, but how
23:42he did it, I think really stood out to me.
23:45There's a quick out to start the game. He was wide open on the slant route, a really good route by him that they just didn't connect on.
23:52He had a jet sweep. He made a leaping grab at the sticks and then a whip route win for him.
23:58And then a sideline grab. This was my favorite moments.
24:01They were interviewing Trent Williams on the sideline, who for the entire drive was just talking about how awesome Deshaun Stribbling is
24:07and how smart he is, how tough he is, how fast he is, how much he's understanding the playbook.
24:13As he's literally talking about that, Stribbling goes up there and Moss is a guy on the sideline.
24:18So this is, I think, pretty textbook stuff for what a sleeper is supposed to look like early on.
24:23This has been the beat reporter talk of the town when we're talking about just the training camp performances as well.
24:29I think he might be the sleeper of 2026 and I want to be buying this.
24:34The 49ers always put up huge numbers and there's a lot of volatility with all the older guys around him.
24:39I think he's going to be in two wide receiver sets in week one.
24:43Yeah, I couldn't care less about names like Christian Kirk or Demarcus Robinson or anything like that anymore.
24:49I mean, there's just been such a clear drumbeat on Stribbling and, you know, I thought he was a good prospect.
24:54Okay, like I thought I had him ranked as a day two guy.
24:58So this was, of course, I wasn't sitting there saying he was going to be the 33rd overall pick.
25:04But to me, you know, not like I know the college production, red flag, all that type of stuff.
25:09But to me, it was a day two draft prospect and we drafted on day two and he's on a team that produces numbers.
25:16Like this, this looks like a guy that when I do my next rankings update, like I was already way ahead of the dynasty market on Stribbling.
25:23I'm going to probably have him as like pretty close to like a top 100 player right now at this point.
25:29Yeah, you know, it's easy to say that now after this preseason performance, but all three of us have been saying this for weeks.
25:36This is not new. Since Ricky. Yeah, right. Since Ricky Pearsall had to have surgery on his PCL.
25:41And to your point, Matt, I feel like some pre-draft opinions and we've repeated this a lot are anchoring to Sean Stribbling in the redraft market.
25:49And one that was probably wrong. I mean, I saw people saying you should shake Nick Singleton over to Sean Stribbling in dynasty drafts this year.
25:56I mean, just lose it. By the way, Nick Singleton got blown up.
26:00Yes, protection in this game. So I think that's enough for that.
26:03And I don't think that this is an overreaction to what Stribbling is doing right now because he is a competitive blocker
26:09and he's ferocious and you don't get, you know, fancy points for blocking, but you stay on a Kyle Shanahan offense and on the field for blocking.
26:17Hey, just quickly, you say you have him at wide receiver 40.
26:20What's a shocking name that you have him ranked ahead of right now?
26:24I want to sleep on this as I look at my rankings before I say those names.
26:29Well, we have a show tomorrow. Everything he says is trying to get you.
26:33It's written in pencil. This is written in pencil.
26:35He's going to have it in pen tomorrow. Come on.
26:38Josh trying to get him on another quote graphic here.
26:41But no, I'll tell you what. I'll probably have him in that tier of where I have my wide receiver 40.
26:47So we are in alignment on the Stribbling thing as we have been for months.
26:51But we're going to take our first quick break.
26:54We come back. We will get into that right after this.
26:57All right, we're back. We're continuing to recap everything that matters from week one of the NFL preseason.
27:02Next game up here, Broncos 27, Falcons 7. Because I am such a positive, rosy, bright person, we're going to start on the positive side here.
27:09We're going to talk to Denver Broncos. Let's talk about rookie running back Jonah Coleman, boys, who I thought looked excellent in
27:16his debut, played a little bit with the starters.
27:18Josh, what did you see from Jonah Coleman? Hayden, you take this one because, I mean, to me, he looked exactly how he looked at Washington.
27:26I think it's notable that we can probably make the conclusion that if something happens or eventually does happen to J.K.
27:31Dobbins, you know, R.J. Harvey might not see the exact same usage that he got last year that made him, you know,
27:38a fantasy almost superstar for those handful of weeks.
27:40And if Jonah Coleman slips into, you know, that lead back role, then, you know, again, that's a big departure from what R.J.
27:47Harvey got last year and I think a big detriment of where he's being selected right now.
27:52Yeah, Coleman had two really nice runs, just really strong patience, spun off a defender, I think finishes hard.
27:57Those are like the type of things that were all up and down his college tape as well.
28:02Harvey did start ahead of him. Harvey was vultured by Adam Prentice, their fullback, who not only had a goal line touchdown,
28:08but also had like a third and one carry as well.
28:11So that's another way of how Sean Payton can get really annoying here.
28:15I really struggle with all this entire backfield. I pretty much don't draft R.J.
28:19Harvey at all. I haven't really been mixing in Jonah Coleman all that much.
28:23Maybe move him up ahead of a couple guys at this point in my rankings, but it's hard to get there.
28:29We're going to be in a huge rotation plus a fullback.
28:32Pat Bryant had, he was in the starting lineups.
28:35Corlin Sutton was still dunking on guys. Jalen Waddle wasn't even out there.
28:38You still have Evan Ingram. So there's a lot of mouths to feed in this, in this offense.
28:43I haven't really been paying attention to the backfield all that much.
28:47Yeah, I think the backfield just, it is tough from a fantasy draft perspective with Jonah Coleman because there is a chance
28:53that he's, you draft him and he is easily one of the first two guys that you cut, you know, because J.K.
28:59Dobbins goes out there and he handles like 18 plus touches in the first three weeks of the season and Jonah Coleman
29:06gets, you know, three carries or something like that any given week.
29:09The thing is though, if, you know, and I don't want to say when, but you know, if J.K.
29:14Dobbins is to get hurt, literally every fantasy show is going to be talking about like, you guys don't know this Jonah Coleman, but like, he's really good.
29:22And so we're going to tell you right now, as we've been telling you on this show, I mean, shoot, he was
29:28on this show talking about how good he was and, you know, in the little things of the running back position, this
29:35is a name that you at least need to know file away.
29:38And if you can stash on your bench for the inevitable, you know, J.K.
29:42Dobbins injury, if it comes to pass, like, yeah, I think Coleman looks the part, you know, the coaches like him and this is an offense.
29:49It's tough to figure out the distribution between the non-Jalen Waddle players, like Quentin Sutton reminds people in this game, like he
29:56is still a very good player, Pat Bryant, with the starters, you know, it's tough to figure out the distribution with all
30:02those guys, but I do want pieces of this Denver Broncos offense and therefore I do want exposure to the backfield in some way.
30:09Josh, just because we talked about Mike Washington, if let's say Gentie and Dobbins goes down, I think I would for sure
30:15be ranking Washington the highest out of Coleman and then slash Harvey.
30:18I think that Harvey and Coleman, I think those guys, I think that's, that would be a committee and I think that
30:25like someone like Mike Washington, Tank, Bigsby, like those guys, I think it'd be so far ahead of the backup that I
30:31would rather just, you know, play that insurance game rather than, you know, trying to get myself into a committee or trying
30:37to pretend that Jonah Coleman's going to steal J.K.
30:40Dobbins job, which I find pretty unrealistic. Yeah, and you know, Dylan Lowby's a little bit worse than R.J.
30:45Harvey is at his job, at least I believe so.
30:48So yeah, I think Mike Washington will have a bit more work.
30:51I think that actually does make a lot of it, a lot of sense when you put it that way.
30:57Let's go to the Falcons here, which wasn't great.
30:59Tua offers up some discouraging moments, but did land us a potentially season defining meme.
31:04So I would say that was probably the bright spot of what the Atlanta Falcons did on offense.
31:09But yeah, it's just so funny. If you guys haven't seen this yet, if you're listening to this show, you got to
31:15find the penics and point it to a meme if you haven't, I don't know.
31:19I mean, good for you if you haven't seen it.
31:22Is this not terrifying though? Like, we are drafting two of these players in the top 17.
31:27And to me, they have their eyes on 2027 already.
31:30And it's, hey, let's give all these young players a bunch of contract extensions, but don't look at the real thing of
31:36us looking horrible on the field with Tua Tangabalo, who's going to be our starting quarterback and his body has failed him
31:42and he just can't play the position anymore. It really is that simple.
31:46So, when we talk about, like, Kevin Sofancy, I think is a good coach and has shown that at times in his past.
31:52But I do wonder, like, I don't know how to drop Bijan or if you should Drake London at all in your
31:59rankings, but it gives you less hope that this team can escape the bottom three to five offenses this year after seeing
32:05what we saw from Tua last year and seeing this example here, Hayden.
32:09And from a season-long inconsistency standpoint, again, that has my spidey senses tingling with nervousness.
32:13I like the quote card, Josh Norris, Tua can't play the position anymore.
32:16Is it a pretty good one that we can throw out there?
32:20But I agree with it. It wasn't great out there.
32:23Now, we are bearing the lead. Jahan Dotson was out there in two wide receiver sets next to Drake London.
32:28Oh, yeah. Let's go. We could talk about that.
32:31I got Zachariah Branch notes out there after he ran the wrong route and completely botched a screenplay.
32:36But yeah, this is, there's no ancillary pieces in this offense.
32:39I think that Drake London and B.J. Robinson Well, are you talking about Kyle Pitts?
32:43I would not call him ancillary. I thought he was awesome in this game as well.
32:48I thought that his explosiveness really stood out. I think it's like those three and then we're not going to have to
32:54play the other guys or can touch the ball.
32:57But can three people get home when you are possibly a bottom three offense in the league?
33:02This is exactly why I haven't clicked a lot of pits.
33:05This is exactly why I haven't clicked a lot of pits and why I've got him a little bit below ADP because
33:11I think it's, I think it's a stretch to say that three guys can get home if it is going to be this bad.
33:18And look, that is an if. And, you know, I do still have the candle lit for Jahan Dotson.
33:23I was going to make a joke that this was a big win for your reception perception only, you know, leagues.
33:29This was a really good win for the Jahan Dotson bros.
33:32But I mean, pits, the usage is great. Four targets, five routes, continues to flash like what I thought we saw at the end of last season.
33:40But I'm just not sure that like can this offense, because you said Kevin's fancy is a good coach and I agree with you, Josh, he is.
33:47But like, is he a needle moving offensive coach at this point?
33:51You know, we're like, I'm not sure about that.
33:53Tommy Reese is calling plays. It's just, I think you can talk yourself out of pits, even if Hayden and I agree
34:00with you that he has is moving much better and looks like a fundamentally different player than he did in like his second and early third seasons.
34:07Yeah, this is going to be more of a PPR scammy offense, but I think that the defense is in pretty dire
34:13in a pretty dire position right now, especially rushing the passer that I would not be surprised if it's like, you know, it's like NFC South.
34:21These games are like complete slot fest, but to a drops back so many times that like these guys can kind of
34:27PPR scam themselves into not elite seasons, but like enough to kind of pay off these ADPs.
34:32I think like the Kyle Pitts thing is just, it's more of a, you know, it's a click on him just being
34:38this generational prospect that's moving really, really well again.
34:41But, you know, aside from that, I'm not expecting, you know, nine touchdowns out of Kyle Pitts this year.
34:46Well, but even the suggestion of not elite seasons, we're drafting Bijon number two overall.
34:50We're drafting Drake London 17th overall. We're drafting Kyle Pitts 71st overall.
34:54And I hear you on the defense being bad.
34:56And so they'll have to score more points. But guess what?
34:59That also means that your offense has probably stunk for the first three quarters and Jacoby Brissette's not back there ripping passes when you're down 21 points.
35:07It's to a tug of Iloa doing it, who cannot throw the ball downfield right now.
35:12So I am pretty terrified of Kyle Pitts at this moment, despite him visually looking so much better than he has over the last two years.
35:19Yeah. And even just the Drake London thing, too.
35:21You know, he's going 19th overall last week on Yahoo drafts.
35:25Nico Collins 22nd. George Pickens 22nd. It's like, am I taking am I taking somebody from the Falcons offense or I'm taking
35:31somebody from the Cowboys offense, you know, with George Pickens there.
35:34So I can see how you can talk yourself out of Drake London.
35:38It's really hard because I'm a big Drake London fan and I really wanted to get a sense of his usage in
35:44this game because there's another part of me that thinks like if it's John Dotson and like Zach Branch and Alameda Zaccheaus,
35:50are we going to get like another season of Drake London just stuck in the X receiver position because that makes me
35:56feel even worse, you know, about a guy like Tua being the quarterback, but we only got two snaps of him.
36:02So nothing really to say there. So there's your Falcons doom and gloom for this version of the show.
36:08Let's go to the next game here. Vikings 13, Giants 10.
36:11Not a lot to say about the Vikings. I would say maybe the most important thing to note is something I know
36:17Hayden, you've got some notes on the backfield reading your piece.
36:20I would just say that Ty Felton looks like he might be pushing Jawan Jennings for the wide receiver three spot and
36:26Jennings is I know this doesn't matter because it's so late, but every time I pull up like my rankings relative to
36:33ADP on Yahoo, it's like there's a massive gap between where people are drafting Jawan Jennings and where I have him ranked.
36:39So I know that you are aware of that human's name, but maybe don't be drafting Jawan Jennings as the 126 player
36:45off the board in your Yahoo drafts. Anyways, Hayden, what do you got on the backfield in this one?
36:50Yeah, Aaron Jones was starting over Jordan Mason. It was kind of a one-two punch, but there was at least some speculation
36:57that Jordan Mason was too good to ignore versus Aaron Jones.
37:00I think this is an in-the-season as it plays out.
37:03Jordan Mason kind of separates. I do think that Mason looked pretty solid.
37:06Aaron Jones had a couple solid runs as well.
37:09I thought the Ty Felton note was a big one and then also just divvying up the snaps between J.J.
37:15McCarthy and Carson Wentz I thought was interesting in that J.J.
37:18McCarthy only played a few snaps. He came in second and then Carson Wentz played a ton of snaps.
37:23I thought that J.J. McCarthy didn't do much out there, but it was notable that he was in and out so quickly
37:29to the point aren't you trying to develop this guy like you're going to develop him in a quarter of a preseason game.
37:36I thought that was kind of interesting. Just quickly in the backfield, this is the last backfield selected in fantasy football right now, at least on Yahoo.
37:43Jordan Mason is 117th overall and then Aaron Jones is going 120th overall.
37:47All camp reports have said that Jordan Mason has looked spectacular, that he fits this outside wide zone that Frank Smith is bringing from the Miami Dolphins.
37:55I understand on these first few touches if Aaron Jones maybe looks crisp and he looks good, but those same beat writers
38:01have relentlessly said that the Vikings have realized that after 150 touches, his body's done.
38:05It is over for him. He breaks down. So, one, I'm amazed that they gave him a few in preseason, but two,
38:11if you ask me at the end of the season who has more fantasy points, it will be Jordan Mason, but Matt,
38:18to your point, is the gap big enough for us to actually care or is this just going to be a muddied backfield where neither of them matter?
38:26And I guess the point is if Jordan Mason gets eight, nine rushing touchdowns, then it will matter.
38:31But if he gets four or five or six, then yeah, this was a wasted conversation that we had back in August.
38:37I think the move is just to take Jordan Mason and see what happens.
38:41But yeah, the most likely outcome is it's a little bit muddy there.
38:45On the Giants side of things, speaking of breaking down, Jackson Dart gets smoked on a blitz from Tyron Tracy messing up
38:51in pass protection it looked like to my eyeballs.
38:53And then he went into the blue tent and kind of talked about whether that was a conspiracy or not.
38:59So we'll save that for another podcast. But any thoughts on the Giants?
39:03He laid motionless for five seconds. Of course, you're going to get caught into the blue tent when that happens.
39:08I don't know what to say about that. But anyways, on the Giants offense, I think again, the Hayden, the Tyron Tracy
39:15pass protection with maybe doesn't speak so much to his odds to push Cam Scadaboo out of a role.
39:20This is my thing. Like, I don't really want to draft Cam Scadaboo at his super aggressive ADP on Yahoo whatsoever.
39:26But I do kind of wish that the second running back was someone who was a little bit more threatening to take those theoretical carries away.
39:33I think it was the little next snap. Devin Singletary catches a screen pass for like 30 yards and like breaking tackles
39:40to like that's not what exactly what you want to see if you're been drafting Tyron Tracy.
39:44I think like Tajay Spears versus Tyron Tracy after we see in the preseason like those guys should absolutely flip each other in ADP.
39:51But I think I'm just reading into this as like great news for Cam Scadaboo.
39:55He was in a rotation with these other guys but that was not the case this last regular season.
40:01I think that they were just like mixing everybody in no need to give Cam Scadaboo 90% of the touches in a
40:07preseason game when he's coming off that dislocated ankle.
40:10I thought Cam Scadaboo was actually making guys miss running through guys.
40:13I thought that he looked just how he did the last season like I wouldn't have been able to tell that he
40:19was coming off of a major injury if I had not known about it.
40:23So I think that I'm becoming a little bit more optimistic on on Cam Scadaboo.
40:27And I think the Tyron Tracy part of this is like I just don't understand what we're what we're getting here with with selecting him.
40:35Can I talk about the tight ends? Because look, we all love to read into usage and personnel groupings and all this type of stuff.
40:42I will add that the 106th pick overall right now is Isaiah likely.
40:45And in this preseason game with Jackson Dart, he played fewer snaps than Darius Layton, Darnell Mooney, Malachi Fields, Calvin Austin and
40:52Theo Johnson only played one more snap than Chris Mann Hurts and Patrick Picard.
40:56And then he was on the field for what six total snaps and all six were routes.
41:00So, yeah, we love a high route participation rate when you're on the field.
41:04But as we know, unless you're out there basically all the time when it comes to tight fire act to score fancy points.
41:11And so if this is any indication and this is the first example that we have and Isaiah likely is a 50,
41:1755% snap player, that's just not good enough. Like I will not be drafting him a single time if that's the case.
41:23Yeah. Likely is one of those guys, Josh, I think we talked about this last time you were on the show where
41:30if people listen to the show in June, you're like, oh, Harmon really likes Isaiah likely.
41:34But if you listen to the show in August, like he's a guy pushing down the rankings basically every single time, not
41:40just because of everything that you highlighted there, which I think matters a lot for a guy who is kind of as
41:47Nate would say a Tino, like a tight end in name only.
41:50And they've got all these big bodies and they want to be run focused, but he's just not going to dominate the
41:56targets in a way that he would have if Malik neighbors was going to miss a month of the season.
42:02And by the way, like not for nothing, it was kind of a rotation in the receiver room between all these guys.
42:08I did like Malachi Fields second reaction touchdown. They're kind of in a scramble moment from Jackson Darden goes up and mosses someone.
42:15So I think Fields can, you know, it's probably still likely he's the favorite to be the second most targeted player on
42:21the team, but I think Fields could, you know, at least push that a little bit in my mind.
42:26Just quickly on that, Matt, there was even one play when Isaiah likely was off the field and Malachi Fields motion in and insert blocks.
42:33Yeah. And they use them as like a pseudo tight end in that situation.
42:37And he's massive. He's bigger than Isaiah likely it looks like on the field.
42:41So if, if they like, I understand they just gave this contract to Isaiah likely, but there are so many other layers
42:47on this now that I would have loved to see 80% snaps for him instead of six of 16.
42:53Basically, this is where I think like reading into the preseason stuff.
42:56I think like we should be doing that. I think it's likely that Isaiah likely still does finish second and all the
43:02receiving categories, but still on the margins like this was like not exactly how you draw it up.
43:08And I think maybe like the forgotten man in this is definitely Patrick Ricard.
43:12Like if they were using, you know, 21 personnel out there and not 12 personnel, like that's directly impacting the Isaiah likely snaps.
43:18I watched every single one of his snaps. He did not have his hand in the dirt a single time.
43:24He was closer to, you know, a Wandale Robinson than he was Theo Johnson.
43:28And if you look at Theo Johnson, just standing next to Isaiah likely, you can understand why they would want him out there.
43:34Even just Chris Manhurts too. Like that's a guy that's made his living in the NFL is a true inline blocker.
43:40So yeah, it does make the Isaiah likely case pretty thin with guys like Pat Ricard and Chris Manhurts out there.
43:46All right, we're going to take another quick break.
43:49We come back. We're recapping more preseason games. We'll get into that right after this.
43:53All right, we're back. We're talking more preseason week one.
43:56We've been a little negative so far, maybe on the show.
43:59People people are saying negative. I don't know. Not us.
44:02Let's move into Panthers 14 bills 29. I got some nice things to say here.
44:06Josh, your Panthers very exciting stuff from your Panthers here in this game.
44:10Let's let's start out with them. Honestly, not a lot to say about the Carolina Panthers, but we did get clear wide
44:16receiver one wide receiver to T Mac Jalen Coker.
44:18And I thought it was notable that when they did go to 11 personnel, as promised, we did see some Tedaro McMillan in the slot.
44:25Yeah, I'll let Hayden handle the percent snap shares of the slot and all that type of stuff.
44:31I quickly just want to bring up the biggest Panthers news happened last week with Chuba Hubbard being week to week with
44:37his hamstring issue because not only is, you know, Chuba and John Brooks ADP is going to totally flip.
44:42I guess the question now, if we're eliminating a bunch of these, you know, other running backs, so he's going behind Tony Pollard right now behind R.J.
44:50Harvey, so on and so forth. Like I already had him right next to Ramondre Stevenson is running back 30.
44:55And I think with better, you know, backup guard play, John Brooks would have had a couple longer gains.
45:01The backup guards in the context of the Panthers were horrific and ruined drives.
45:05Then we would have gotten to see more and more, but I'm glad he started and finished at least his series three
45:11series because that's a big improvement on someone that we haven't seen in the field for quite some time.
45:16Hayden. Yeah, with John the Brooks, it was in my notes.
45:20I said it was great to see him out there.
45:22I didn't learn anything. There was like nothing that he was doing right or wrong.
45:27Just like, okay, that was a that was an NFL rep.
45:30He's out there and he's going to be out there for this next practice.
45:34That's encouraging to me. I thought that the biggest takeaway here is definitely the Ted Aroa McMillan stuff.
45:39Xavier Leggett, you are new Sacrificial X. Thank you for your services.
45:42We got T-Mac in the slot and that's going to be really big.
45:46I think there's a chance you can have a Drake London type of season.
45:50And I think that if you can get him in round four, that's awesome.
45:54I have moved T-Mac up to 29th overall. I know he's a really good football player and this is exactly how you want the usage to look like.
46:02Yeah, I wrote in Jalen Coker's reception perception profile about how he was so similar to Chris Godwin from the player comparison tool standpoint.
46:09And if you just look at some of Mike Evans's seasons when him and Chris Godwin really popping off, he's like a
46:1527 to 33 percent slot player, which that's all we're looking for with McMillan.
46:19I think we lose the plot sometimes with this stuff where it's like, is he going to become, you know, I'm on Ross St.
46:26No, no, no, no. Like the two totally different things.
46:28But if he just gets if he almost doubles because he was like 15 percent slot last year up to 30 percent,
46:35that would be massive for Ted Aroa McMillan. So he's in that range of the fourth round receivers where just there's going
46:41to be some massive, massive hits from there. And I realize there's the Bryce Young variable hanging over Ted Aroa McMillan, but
46:47a good variable from the preseason usage standpoint, what they've been talking about all offseason.
46:51Let's let's go to the Bills side of things here because Hayden, this was something you highlighted in your piece for Yahoo
46:58DJ Moore's usage performance and then unfortunately did pick up an injury in the game.
47:02Yeah, lots going on here. First of all, I thought that DJ Moore looked pretty solid.
47:06He got a little underneath shallow cross yards after catch.
47:09He did wave over the safety who just immediately just tackled him, which was pretty funny, but he was running.
47:15Got all the confidence. Yes, that's never been like an issue with with DJ Moore, maybe too much confidence at sometimes.
47:21But there was there was 10 dropbacks with Josh Allen, who I thought played really well.
47:25It was a rotation. DJ Moore had seven routes on them.
47:28He would have missed a route because of the injury.
47:31Keyon Coleman, he had seven routes. Shakir, seven routes.
47:34Dalton Kincaid, seven routes. James Cook, six. Dawson Knox, five.
47:37He started in 11 personnel ahead of Dalton Kincaid.
47:39Not a big surprise there. Josh Palmer was out there often, especially in two wide receiver sets.
47:44They might be using the two wide receiver sets as a way to get Josh Palmer on the field a little bit.
47:50And then Ray Davis was out there in the complimentary role.
47:53This is a big rotation is the same one that they were pretty much trying out this last season.
47:59The big news here, though, was DJ Moore got rolled up on.
48:02It was kind of like that, you know, the Jeremiah loved one where you're like, that didn't look that great.
48:08He seems like he was they gave a big thumbs up, but you can sometimes give a big thumbs up after ankle sprain like right away.
48:15And then the next day it's a big thumbs down.
48:18So we'll see about this one. But it's pretty obvious that, you know, the focal point of this was DJ Moore.
48:24I thought they used him properly. Yeah, Matt, we've been talking all summer about Jalen Waddle, you know, former first round wide
48:30receiver gets traded for a high draft pick and now is going to be the figurehead of their passing attack.
48:36Are we in the wrong of not using that same logic with DJ Moore, who on Yahoo is going almost two full
48:42rounds later than Jalen Waddle right now? I don't know.
48:45I mean, I moved him up between two weeks ago to last week.
48:49I moved him up nine spots. I'm about 20 spots ahead of his overall ADP right now, DJ Moore on Yahoo.
48:55So I'm buying more and I like the usage that we saw.
48:58I mean, the rotation, maybe that's a thing. I tend to think that might be a little more preseason ish than anything else.
49:05But yeah, I mean, Hayden, to your point, like they used him the right way.
49:09I think him getting plays in space like that, that just route over the middle of the field, you know, let him
49:15cook with the ball in his hands. That's something that we just never really got to see DJ Moore do in Chicago,
49:21even in the one big year that he had with Justin Fields.
49:25So yeah, Josh, I think that's a good point that it's probably just that more is like efficiency stats have really fallen off the last couple of years.
49:33But I think you can explain some of that away, which is how he didn't fit in Ben Johnson's offense and everything like that.
49:39Plus just different areas of their career. So I wouldn't say like the Jalen Waddle comparison is perfect, but you're the spirit of the point.
49:46I do think I agree with you there. Well, so one thing that kind of kept me from DJ Moore earlier this
49:53summer was just looking at, you know, the the bills pass rate stats over the last three seasons.
49:58I mean, they've been twenty fifth and thirtieth and drop back rate and then twenty second and thirtieth and percent of yards via passing.
50:05But what my brain probably wasn't wrapping itself around was the jump from getting rid of Sean McDermott as head coach.
50:11And now the offensive coordinator becomes that. And, you know, Sean McDermott basically fired the previous offensive coordinator because he wasn't running the football enough.
50:18So maybe his influence was still on Joe Brady.
50:20Hey, you got to run the ball. And then now that the shackles are off Joe Brady, he's just going to pass the ball a lot more.
50:28Right. And we saw that in this game, if that's any sample.
50:31So if they jump up to, I don't know, top 16 and drop back rate and DJ Moore is clear, the number
50:37one wide receiver for this team, albeit his 32 yard gain was on the one of the worst called coverages I've ever seen this preseason.
50:45I mean, it was stupid. They had an edge rusher bounce out to cover the slot receiver.
50:49And then on the snap, he blitzes from 15 yards and there's no one in that section of the field.
50:55But I can't believe that didn't work. I can't believe it.
50:58But yeah, I mean, this is for someone who is good after the catch and then also can win down the field.
51:04Most likely those are kind of like Matt, the only two sections that you really need for a Josh Allen pass catcher to really win with.
51:12And that's DJ Moore's best routes. Yeah. I mean, I'll take the over on basically all other than touchdowns, like the yards
51:18target and reception here that we're showing on the screen right now from the Yahoo projections.
51:22843 yards, 64 catches, 101 targets, especially the 101 targets, because I'm with you, Josh, that like the as Nate has called
51:29it, the substitute teacher effect, you know, Joe Brady taking this over and like it's just going to be more Josh Allen
51:35who sat in on the interviews for this head coaching spot.
51:38Like this is going to be more of what Josh wants to do.
51:42And I think that will be more footballs thrown through the air.
51:45Next game up here, Packers nine Steelers, 28 real quick on the Packers here.
51:49I think definitely some lessons at the wide receiver position.
51:52Not that it was unexpected. I think it kind of went as expected.
51:56If you've been reading the tea leaves, Matthew Golden played in 12 personnel over Jaden Reed, but the team used 11 personnel
52:02a good bit on the first drive snaps went golden nine Christian Watson eight.
52:06He rotated with Savion Williams there and then seven for Jaden Reed.
52:09So Hayden, this was expected from a personnel usage standpoint.
52:12What would you see when the Packers were on the field with the starters for one drive?
52:17Well, I think it's good news that Savion played just one snap.
52:20So I would just call this it was a three wide receiver rotation where in previous seasons that would be five or six.
52:27I think we've already chopped off that part. Savion Williams has not been, you know, lighting things up in training camp either.
52:33It's like it's just these three guys. They're so talented that these guys can get home.
52:38Even someone like Jaden Reed who mixed in only in the three wide receiver set stuff.
52:42But he had a nice catch here. What I noticed and this is something I've been paying attention to is in training camp.
52:49They've been talking about being up tempo and just getting the play calls in is playing faster.
52:53And that was notable to me because they've been literally dead last in neutral pace over the last four seasons with Jordan Love.
53:00The second snap of the game, it wasn't no huddle, but they broke the huddle and snap the ball immediately.
53:06And they did that another time in that drive.
53:08So that's like something that like if it's kind of matching what they're talking about and what the beat reporters have been
53:14writing about, that's at least pretty encouraging because I think part of the problems with, you know, the Jaden Reed type of
53:21profiles, the secondary wide receivers and whatnot. They just don't have enough plates.
53:24We're going to have more plates and there's going to be less rotation.
53:28That's how kind of everybody can get home. They're going to cannibalize each other.
53:32But that was notable that not no huddle, but like no huddle adjacent and just playing with tempo.
53:37I did think that was pretty interesting. And I know they played seven of nine snaps here in 11 personnel.
53:43I would not expect that to continue once we get to the regular season either because you have Luke Musgrave who's sidelined
53:49right now, but Chris Brooks is also sidelined who was their pseudo fullback last year.
53:53And then we all know about Tucker Craft who actually returned to practice today.
53:57Contact tackling practice. So that's like an insta click for me on the board where he's going on Yahoo right now.
54:03But yeah, Matt, we love reading the small samples.
54:06This is the smallest you could ever get that Matthew Golden is going to be out there in two wide receiver sets over Jaden Reed.
54:13But, you know, your assumptions and estimations can take you to the end with that because we all believe that's true.
54:19Yeah, I think that's what's coming here. But just to the point about pace as well, Packers last year, 24th in plays
54:25per game, 22nd in seconds per play. Like there is a chance that that's what changes about this offense.
54:30And that does allow for enough plays for Jane Reed to be a good pick at ADP and Matthew Golden still be a really good pick at ADP.
54:38I mean, Matthew Golden goes so late. It's like who cares?
54:41Even if you're skeptical about the talent profile, you better take them anyway.
54:45So I've been proactively drafting all of these Packers wide receivers because I think that pace report is real.
54:50And I think they're going to throw the football more this year anyways, because the defense isn't going to be as good Steelers side of things here.
54:58The biggest stories were just their rookies looked pretty good.
55:01Drew Aller obviously had himself a big night. Jeremy Bernard, four catches for 51 yards from run after catch skills.
55:07He is competing with Roman Wilson to be the wide receiver three behind a banged up Metcalf and Michael Pittman.
55:12But I mean, it does sound like it's a legit competition, which is kind of crazy to me because I like Jeremy
55:18Bernard way more than I ever liked Roman Wilson coming out of Michigan.
55:22I do wonder if a lot of this decision making comes down to who Aaron Rogers, you know, prefers.
55:28at the same time. It sounds like Jeremy Bernard hasn't been lining it up in camp.
55:32I could be wrong, but then once he gets in the field, Hayden, Jeremy Bernard is just a gamer.
55:37You can line him up anywhere and he'll be a seven and a half out of 10 and give you full effort
55:44and give you, you know, be in the right place at the right time and try to win after the catch.
55:50So I love seeing Jeremy Bernard do exactly what he did at Alabama here in the NFL in the preseason week one.
55:56Yeah, I had him with three broken tackles when I was watching and caught the ball cleanly quick separation on the slant
56:02route nearly scored a touchdown on a broken play guy kind of forced out of there.
56:07But I think he's the more promising starting option for for Roman Wilson.
56:10I think like it would I find him like it's gonna be hard for him to be, you know, fantasy relevant.
56:16Right. Could he be good enough where like Michael Pittman and DK Metcalf and like those guys like they don't pay off
56:23ADP because Jeremy Bernard's like coming on by the end of the season.
56:26I thought that was interesting. And then Caden Wetgen, the rookie returner caught a pass over the middle and was absolutely fly.
56:32Oh, yeah. I mean, he was absolutely flying. And you're like, OK, if that's what he looks like on returns, like maybe
56:39let's throw him the ball a couple more times in training camp.
56:42Just see what we have with him as well.
56:45Josh, I like that point about how a guy like Bernard is probably not a practice player.
56:49There are certain wide receivers like that. It's very obvious who the practice wide receivers are always the contested catch guys who
56:56can't separate or like the twitchy gadgety guys. And then you get into the end of the games like, you know, it's
57:02really helpful to have like a Jeremy Bernard type player who can actually get open and be in the right spots and stuff like that.
57:09I kind of think this is like why Raiders reporters are always like Jack Besch looks terrible in camp and then you
57:15throw him the football and it's like, oh, he looks pretty good out there.
57:19So some of these guys, they're just not practice players.
57:22One guy who might not be a practice player or a pro player.
57:26And I hate to be mean here right before we go to break.
57:29But Caleb Johnson, I just want to say like, if you took him in the first round of your is he the
57:36worst first round dynasty pick of all time? Like, I mean, I know my memory is really short here.
57:41I'm sure there's been worse, but my God, like he was a first he was like a consensus first round dynasty pick last year.
57:48Did not see a single snap until midway through the third quarter on this one.
57:52Not ideal. Yeah. I mean, played behind Travis Homer and Lou Nichols.
57:55And I was hoping for Caleb Johnson's sake that it was, it was one of those cases where he was just dressed,
58:02but wasn't actually going to play because you could see him on the sideline dressed in those shots.
58:07And then no, it was just because he didn't play until halfway through the third quarter.
58:11It is so over. It is so over for Caleb Johnson.
58:14There you go. There's another quote graphic for Josh Norris coming out of this show.
58:19All right. We're going to take a quick break.
58:21When we come back, we're going to rapid fire through some more of these games because some of these teams did not
58:27do anything of note in the preseason. We'll get into that right after this.
58:31All right. We're back. Next game up here. Browns 10 bears 34.
58:35Let's start with the Browns here because not too much to say on the Chicago side of things here.
58:40Josh, two important notes on this Browns team. One, the state of the quarterback competition and then maybe a little more exciting Browns rookie wide receivers.
58:48Much more exciting Browns rookie wide receivers. I'll go there because there was an early third and five.
58:53Casey Conception wins his slant in the slot. I mean, creates instant three yard separation.
58:57Meanwhile, at the bottom of the screen in isolation, Denzel Boston wins his curl beyond the sticks with hand use exactly how you hope Denzel Boston does it.
59:05So again, when Todd Munkin handpicked these two players, that's exactly what you want to see in preseason activity.
59:10And then to expand it with Casey Conception because he had a lot more touches in this one.
59:15Ton of slot work. He did have a couple 12 personnel snaps.
59:19We can get into that because that is intriguing how much they're rotating that versus how we kind of perceive to be rigid with all these other teams.
59:27But he was the easy button. You know, we got two manufacturer touches basically carries here.
59:31There was a rub wheel that he got open down the field.
59:35And so my overarching point is with Todd Munkin loving these wide receivers and with this quarterback situation being horrible and this offense being very much a concern.
59:43Hayden, that brings me to is Casey Conception now going to be Todd Munkin's easy button when they need yards, when they
59:49need a completion, when they need a first down versus what Harold Fannin was last year for Kevin Stefanski.
59:54And that would make me very nervous of hitting Harold Fannin's name right now in drafts.
59:59Yeah, with Tucker Kraft healthy, I thought that Pitts looked good and then you have obviously like Sam Laporta.
60:04I think that I would have Harold Fannin definitely last of that group and I think I would rank him like maybe comfortably last.
60:11Look, Casey Concepcion was an awesome prospect. I nearly had him inside my top 10 overall rankings.
60:16I know that both of you guys actually loved him as well.
60:19So none of this is surprising to me. I think one of the big things is he plays more physical and tough
60:25and maybe it's not those who maybe just density where you saw that on that touchdown where he was breaking off or
60:32breaking some tackles and then diving for the pylon there.
60:34Like that's like to me the difference between I think a lot of the comps that he kind of gets associated with
60:41where I think he's maybe a tier above that.
60:43I think like my upside comp was like closer to like Steph Diggs and we haven't even seen him like win all
60:49the way down the football field which I know he absolutely can out there.
60:53So I did really encouraging Josh to your point there.
60:56He didn't start in two wide receiver sets but they did use them in two wide receiver sets in the next drive
61:02or two and I thought that was important because this is not like a Jaden Reed situation where maybe he's not dense enough for two wide receiver sets.
61:10There's no rules here with Casey Concepcion as the season plays out.
61:14He's just going to kick Jerry Judy to the side and I would put him Casey Concepcion as my favorite for most
61:20receptions on this team even over Harold Fannin. I echo everything you guys just said there.
61:25I mean number one I already had Harold Fannin ranked kind of comfortably last of this group.
61:29I thought frankly I think that Pitts is in the same tier as Fannin though.
61:34So for me it's like get your tight end before these guys before you have to start messing around with guys who might not lead the team.
61:41They're bad offenses and targets like get Sam Laporta get Tucker Craft get Tyler Warren those guys you know obviously close and
61:47level than everybody else goes a little bit earlier.
61:50So to me I've liked shopping in that tier of tight ends just so you're not in this bucket and yeah man
61:56Casey Concepcion is so good him and Boston both of them were just like that's exactly what I thought they'd look like on the NFL field.
62:04I know this is preseason obviously but it was very much an actualization of what these guys were supposed to be as
62:10prospects and you guys know this has been so much hype for Boston on the Twitter streets like people have been Boston's having a great camp.
62:17I'm sure he is because I think Denzel Boston should have been drafted in the first round to me it feels like
62:23because this offense we don't even honestly we don't even need to talk about the quarterback situation.
62:28You guys can find it. It's not great. You want to talk about it?
62:32I don't know. Here's here's here's the take. It's not good.
62:35It's not going to be good but I think because of that Concepcion will get all these easy button touches like you're
62:42mentioning Josh and then the move will be by Denzel Boston in Dynasty because I wouldn't be surprised honestly if like Jerry
62:48Judy's not even on this roster by the end of the season like is he a midseason trade deadline candidate.
62:54I would think that actually would make some sense for some teams.
62:57And just to nerd out one final time on the two wide receiver stuff.
63:01Boston Judy Casey Concepcion and Isaiah Bond all got two wide receiver snaps.
63:05And apparently this is exactly how it's been going in training camp practices too.
63:09So that's good, right? We want these two wide receiver set players out there on the field.
63:13And yeah, just to reiterate the point, this team is going to go through some long bad spots in games for multiple weeks.
63:20And so Todd Munkin, it's very clear he's going to go into certain matchups and say, OK, when we need a first
63:26down at some point after going three and out three straight times, I'm going to call this play, this play in this
63:32play to Casey Concepcion to hopefully get us at least an extra set of downs.
63:37We saw it with, you know, under these stuff, we saw it with the manufactured rushes and that's awesome.
63:42And hey, now I'll say it for you. The consistent comparison for him was, you know, Zay Flowers and what he did
63:48as a tackle breaker inside of the five yard line to score that touchdown.
63:52He actually matched what Zay Flowers did last year in terms of scoring, you know, inside the 20 yard line touchdowns last year already.
63:59So we were this close, by the way, for Concepcion to rip off a punt return touchdown.
64:04He picked up a bunch of yards. He almost broke it off.
64:07He's a little shoestring tackle on him. And I obviously would have been leading the show as well.
64:12I'm fired up for Casey in conception. I'm not fired up for some goofball on the Internet to call him like a
64:18PPR scam at some point this year just because of the usage and the way the Browns offense is going to go.
64:25So I'm going to I'm going to preemptively not get mad about that by just getting it off my chest.
64:30Now Bears really nothing to say about this team because they didn't play their starters, whatever.
64:35But one important note, we found this out as we were recording the show.
64:39Ozzy Trapillo left tackle who ruptured his patella tendon in the playoffs in January was activated off the PUP list.
64:45So keep an eye on that because that's been one of the questions.
64:48Very few questions about the Bears offense overall. But let's go to another game here.
64:52Dolphins seven commanders 20. Dolphins first drive Hayden with Malik Willis, Caleb Douglas big catch here on this one.
64:58What'd you think? First of all, Devon HM played all 14 snaps on the first drive, had a goal line touchdown.
65:04You know what they're saying in training camp is he's not coming off the field.
65:08They're going to give him the ball a bunch of times.
65:11He got seven carries on that drive. It looked awesome.
65:14Like, I mean, this team has to be really bad for Devon HM to not be a good pick where he's being drafted, in my opinion.
65:21Uh, and, uh, I felt good about how the offensive line looked, which I think I seen the consensus rankings of a bottom five offensive line.
65:29I just, I just don't believe that that's going to be the case this year.
65:33But, um, Caleb Douglas, Malik Washington, those were near full-time players.
65:36Lots of two wide receiver sets, uh, which I think is smart usage for the Dolphins based off their personnel.
65:42Yeah. I have Devon HM ahead of Ashton Chinty right now.
65:45I'll be at the 11th running back. I mean, this whole glut of running backs is so difficult for me to rank,
65:51but this Dolphins rushing scheme, as we saw with the opening 14 plays and him playing every single snap, uh, Bobby Sloan
65:57went back to, you know, his Houston Texans, I guess roots during CJ Strauss rookie year.
66:02And they just ran a whole bunch of heavy personnel looks.
66:05I mean, you had Kazmarek Dulcich, a fullback in there with DJ Herman.
66:09And that's pretty good for a rushing attack. And then that's also good for whatever two wide receivers were on the field, Matt.
66:15And that Caleb Douglas was the only other skill player not named Devon HM to stay on the field for every single one of Malik Willis's snaps.
66:23Uh, it's enticing. I mean, he did have that big catch and then earlier he should have had what a 32 yarder
66:29as well, but he stepped out and missed the sideline.
66:32So it's like by reading the training camp reports, it's these small little mistakes that he has either a drop or the
66:38sideline awareness and those types of things. But if you can get them ironed out and we know the drops aren't sticky,
66:44then you're looking at another exciting rookie that has clear areas that he wins and hopefully like some areas of development that
66:51he includes once the season goes along too. Yeah, I think just because like no one cared about him as a prospect,
66:57nobody is really paying attention to the buzz that he's been getting from the Miami Dolphins training camp.
67:02And this has been what it was like. It's him and Malik Washington are the one and two and Washington had like a four air yards per target.
67:10I think Washington could be an interesting player. But to me, if you're drafting one of these guys, it is it is Caleb Douglas for sure right now.
67:18And yeah, A-chan, I think we've gone far enough, you know, 17th overall player like any sort of concern I think has
67:24been priced in to the ADP here. And I did think the formations and stuff really interesting on that team there.
67:30So I don't want to like I've already gone down the Cardinals curious path far enough.
67:35I don't know if I can get like Miami metal some or something here, but I think this offense could be at least like interesting for fantasy.
67:42Like and I think we can just kind of leave it there.
67:46And go ahead. Just real quick on that, Matt.
67:48I think a lot of people view, you know, Malik Willis as the shotgun quarterback that runs around.
67:53Go watch him with the Packers and like last year against the Ravens and go watch him just in this preseason.
67:59And you'll see a guy from under center play action, stay in the pocket.
68:03Oh, yeah. These throws and like work in a confined space.
68:06So if he has that plus then the scrambling that is ridiculous, then again, he is on my radar, especially in these super flex leagues.
68:13And at some point, I think in single quarterback leagues, he's going to be a pickup for someone out there and is
68:20going to start some games for you. A hundred percent.
68:22Commander is not much here, honestly, on this one.
68:25Katron Allen had a big night. Robert Henry Jr.
68:28I'd love your scouting report on Robert Henry Jr.
68:30Josh Norris. But yeah, I don't think we got much from the command unless unless any of you guys have something I think we can move on.
68:38Go ahead. I do just quickly. We opened after the NFL draft thinking, wow, this team has no wide receivers.
68:43We can draft Antonio Williams because he's the surefire slot guy that maybe can jump in there.
68:48I don't think it's a great sign that Hayden Antonio Williams played so deep into this that he's going to like cut
68:54into any of the you know, the real wide receiver snaps here right now.
68:58Well, it's quite the list of names. He came in after Traylon Burks, Luke McCaffrey, Diami Brown, Van Jefferson and Jalen Lane.
69:05Then he came in after that. Not a good sign.
69:07Yeah, not a good sign. Okay. Next game up here.
69:10Eagles seven Ravens 24. Let's start on the Eagle side.
69:13My only note from this one was that Dontavian Rick's Dontavian Wicks rested with the starters.
69:18So we're so back on the Dontavian Wicks stuff.
69:20But Hayden, any other notes on the Eagles offense out of this one?
69:24Andy Dalton was playing ahead of Tanner McKee, which is a little bit notable to me.
69:28I like surprised that they're like trying to replace Tanner McKee, but a good problem to have your the Eagles bad problem to have Eli Stowers blocking.
69:36I mean, he went over to in two different ways.
69:39He was blocking a corner and got called for a holding.
69:42And then he had a split block where he pulled up like pretty early before an offensive or before an outside linebacker
69:48to the point like that's a slot wide receiver and he has not been lighting it up in training camp.
69:54No, I would not be surprised if he plays like almost like zero snaps this season.
69:58And I think they should consider a positional change.
70:01He's not done anything in camp. And for the reasons I was nervous about him, I mean, he was a complete no show.
70:08And on top of that, speaking of zero snaps, we have seen zero snaps from Makai Lemon so far and we're seeing these other rookie wide receivers flash.
70:15We talked about the Browns. I mean, Hayden, are we at the point where we were ranking Deshaun Stripling ahead of Makai Lemon for this entire season?
70:23This is the second time you're trying to bait me into this.
70:27I'm sleeping on this. I will see you. We have a show on this on Tuesday.
70:31Wide receiver rankings changes. Let's talk about it then after I've had like a couple nights of good sleep.
70:36I'll just say yes. Josh, I don't need any nights of sleep.
70:40I'll say yes. You should be drafting Stripling ahead of Makai Lemon right now.
70:44I'm ranking him higher too. Right now here on August 16th.
70:47You're the only one who's tentative on this and shy.
70:50Well, you can see the hat. Fair point. Well, hey, this perfect transition there, USC, USC's own Jacoby Lane.
70:55We're talking Ravens here on the other side of it.
70:58Very impressive night for some of the Ravens rookies.
71:01Jacoby Lane, 15 of 15 snaps with Tyler Huntley caught a touchdown on in breaker.
71:05I mean, at this point, he's the wide receiver three at worst on this team.
71:09I think he can be the designated X, which is my new little X receiver archetype that I'm workshopping here on this one.
71:16Elijah Serrat, who is like more of a backup.
71:18Also, I think is playing in the correct role.
71:21And Adam Randall, I think might be like a sneaky running back insurance policy that is going under the radar right now.
71:27But Hayden, talk about Jacoby Lane here, your boy.
71:29I really liked Jacoby Lane at USC. Yeah, I mean, the designated X stuff, it's pretty nice.
71:34I actually like this one. I'm gonna give it a big thumbs up for you, Matt.
71:39There we go. Let's go. Jacoby Lane obviously scored the touchdown on a crossing route.
71:43Two of the first first downs, you got a third and one hitch route, a smooth adjustment to his back shoulder.
71:49I think like I always kept going back to his tape at USC and like, is he being smooth and slow and
71:55methodical on purpose or is this like all he has?
71:58But he tested really well and he's got the biggest hands in the NFL.
72:02He's really interesting to watch because he has tractor beam hands.
72:05It's wild. Totally wild. It's he's an interesting guy in the route because he's got those hands like moving all up and down.
72:12He's like not a like very crisp route runner.
72:14It is yet to matter to this point. I think it's he's going to push Rashad Bateman in two wide receiver sets as this continues.
72:21I think there's a lot of development that still needs to happen with Jacoby Lane.
72:26But if you're going to be a one trick pony like going up and catching the ball routinely like that's a pretty, pretty good trick.
72:33Yeah, I mean, if you put together his 10 best catches as an NFL draft prospect, he probably had the 10 best highlight reel grabs of anyone.
72:40It was it was that absurd. Now, almost all of those were their end zone grabs or sideline grabs.
72:46And what I really liked here is we got some real middle of the field catches, you know, some of them are
72:52on second phase and some things like that. But just his willingness to work over the middle where at USC it felt
72:58like he didn't at all was intriguing. He's a fascinating personality on top of it, Matt.
73:03So, yeah, Jacoby Lane is again, one of these players that might have some anchoring because of pre-draft opinions.
73:08He was drafted well ahead of Elijah Surratt, who, you know, people had ranked much higher than him as a prospect.
73:14And Surratt played very deep into this game. And Jacoby Lane, albeit without, you know, Zay Flowers and Rashad Bateman, basically left
73:20once, you know, the real players left here too.
73:23Yeah. Listen, Lane is not a separator and I don't think he ever will be.
73:27I mean, maybe that changes, but there's a lot of things that he brings to the table that will make that not
73:33be like if we're talking about him being a high volume player, he will have to get better as a separator.
73:39Just every nobody that's not a separator doesn't get a lot of targets like it just doesn't happen.
73:44But he can be a really helpful player to the Ravens, make the offense better and allow these guys to all move
73:51around more like Zay Flowers, like Rashad Bateman as that designated X, like come in in 11 personnel, be the X receiver
73:57while Bateman is you'll get with it. Don't worry when you see this because it hasn't happened yet, Josh, but this is the situation where it will happen.
74:05So trust me, we'll put it. We'll put a pin in this storyline and we'll get you on board here.
74:10Hayden's giving it two thumbs up to the designated X receiver.
74:13But yeah, I mean, tractor beam hands, infectious ability on the football field.
74:17That is what Jacoby Lane does. And I think that does matter for the overall Ravens offensive ecosystem.
74:22OK, we are going to take our final quick break.
74:25When we come back, we got seven more games to rapid fire through.
74:29Luckily, not a lot happened in those games. We'll get into that right after this.
74:33All right, we're back. We are rounding out our preseason week one recap with seven games in seven minutes.
74:38So we got to be efficient here with these ones.
74:41Lions, 14. Bengals, 16. You know what? Not sure we learned anything about the Lions.
74:45Nothing to really say there. But Josh, you've got something, Josh.
74:49All right, you're already derailing the show. Good. Quick thing.
74:51Go ahead. Isaac Tesla apparently has not taken the second year leap.
74:55He had a drop that led to an interception in this one.
74:58So there is no wide receiver three on the Lions right now.
75:02So I was hoping more from my guy Tesla, but apparently we don't get it.
75:06That is a good note. He did have a highlight catch in practice, though, as we are taping this.
75:11But he's kind of aggressively drafted in Yahoo leagues.
75:14He's like the 126th overall player off the board.
75:16I'm wide receiver 49, by the way, last week in ADP.
75:19So yeah, I think that can drop a little bit on the Isaac Tesla stuff.
75:24So good note, Josh, on that one. Bengals, Hayden, pretty much consistent with the camp reports.
75:28They're trying to do some more under center stuff and the results were mixed.
75:32Yeah, first four plays were under center. I don't really care about it that much.
75:36They said they wanted to like in the four minute drills be able to like run the ball a little bit better.
75:43I think they'll end up figuring this out or if it's not working, they'll just abandon it.
75:48Next game up here, Rams 20 Chiefs 12 on the Rams side of things.
75:51The the victory laps were out in full. I saw when I checked on social media for time for time.
75:57Do either do either one of you want to apologize to the backup quarterback brigade?
76:01Either one of you two. No, I think Ty Simpson got great protection and then they rolled him out quite a bit.
76:08I'm excited to watch him for for two more preseason games.
76:11Hayden. Yeah, he executed what he was supposed to do, but it was like a Mickey Mouse offense.
76:16So like, yeah, it was cool, but not moved.
76:18I wish I could give credit to who said it, but I saw it while scrolling.
76:23So I forgot. But somebody was like, I know the Jimmy Garoppolo offense when I see it.
76:28And that is how I felt about Ty Simpson in the preseason last night.
76:32Chiefs rookies, though, didn't see much from any, you know, big chiefs player, but we did get a Cyrus Allen couple moments there.
76:38So that was cool for your boy personally. And Emmett Johnson played pretty well in his case to be Kenneth Walker's direct backup.
76:45I think this is a big deal for Emmett Johnson.
76:48I mean, he lined up behind Brashard Smith, I think, in the playing order, but then he was clearly the better player
76:54once entering in the second quarter to the point where I think we can immediately call Emmett Johnson like the handcuff in this offense.
77:01And, you know, that that was kind of up in the air with Imari Demarcato's name also being mentioned prior to this to Hayden.
77:07Yeah, with Johnson spin move touchdown called back by a hold, but that was a great rep for him.
77:13And then the TV TV booth, they spent time with all these players pregame.
77:17They absolutely love their time with them and Johnson, the coaching staff absolutely loves them.
77:21And then Imari Demarcato, I thought he was like not playing.
77:24And then at the very end of the game went in there.
77:28So I thought it was Demarcato versus Johnson. I for sure would be ranking Johnson ahead at this point.
77:33Next game up Colts 13 Patriots 13. Yes, a disgusting tie here in the preseason.
77:37Ashton Juleen rested with the starters with Josh Downs and the rest of the guys there.
77:42But Anthony Richardson got to play a little bit.
77:44Aiden, what'd you see? A little bit of good, a little bit of bad.
77:48He was kind of all over the place. The interception wasn't his fault, but you know, the fumble was playing ahead of Riley Leonard for now.
77:56Yeah, we'll see. Matt, I'm screwing up this order.
77:58How do we do this entire show and give you not even 30 seconds to talk about Cyrus Allen?
78:04My question to you, okay? When you watch Cyrus Allen this weekend, what wide receiver does he move like that you've gone back through in like your Rolodex?
78:11I mean, I don't know if I do want me to make this proclamation off the off the preseason stuff or like the actual charting.
78:19You love Cyrus Allen. You've been curious. And now everyone's seen him and he loves him.
78:23Yeah, no. Listen, when Cyrus Allen is the next Stefan Diggs, you just remember who said it first.
78:28It wasn't the Chiefs. Okay, it was me. So that's how I feel.
78:32It was me. All right. I want that. I want that in the history books.
78:36Okay, yeah. No, Cyrus Allen. I don't know if he's like draftable and redraft leagues, but we definitely don't need, you know,
78:42we need way fewer than one beer. We need like negative two beers to tell the truth on Cyrus Allen on the main channel here.
78:49Just one final point on that. If we think Patrick Mahomes in this offense is going to be good this year and
78:56we don't like drafting Rashi Rice and I don't by the way and right.
79:00And then Travis Kelsey, we don't want to draft and all these other players.
79:04We don't want to draft and are we just drafting Cyrus Allen?
79:07Like, is he the one that we're underrating at this point other than can walk to the third that we love drafting in round two?
79:14I mean, listen, I'm just not drafting a lot of Patrick Mahomes or I'm not that interested in passing offense this year,
79:20but I do think Cyrus Allen is a legit player.
79:23Not much on the New England Patriots. Demario Douglas looks like he's the starting slot and Kyle Williams had a couple of cool moments here.
79:30So next game Buccaneers 24 Jets 16. Nothing to say on the Bucs here other than Ted Hurst had a couple of cool moments.
79:37You know, nothing really important. They're coolish. Some not so cool moments as well.
79:41Jets though. Brees Hall looks like a feature player and I wanted to touch quickly on the Omar Cooper Jr.
79:47Like no longer the starting slot. Isaiah Williams has leapfrogged him.
79:50Apparently I wasn't really drafting Omar Cooper Jr. I don't think he's somebody that really should be draftable and redraft leagues even
79:56before this, but I wouldn't freak out about this long term.
79:59I actually think Cooper actually looked pretty good on his touches in the preseason.
80:03I was listening to Connor Rogers talk about this that they just wanted to like reward Isaiah Williams who's had a really
80:09strong camp, but the fantasy takeaway here boys and I'll let you either one of you take this.
80:14The real fantasy takeaway is that if you're drafting a hate yourself jet sleeper late, it's it's 80 Mitchell.
80:20It's not Omar Cooper Jr. Yeah, two wide receiver sets snaps in this one.
80:24It's like no question to be at an I Mitchell to me.
80:27I know the biggest takeaway aside from from the Omar stuff was Brees Hall played 10 of 11 snaps for Braylon Allen came in there.
80:34Like we haven't seen that in a long time.
80:37If Brees Hall on the field for that much behind that offensive line, I think that we could have a career year for Brees Hall.
80:44He's been my favorite pick in the third round since Malik neighbors has gone into round two.
80:49These last three games here, Jags 24 Saints 20 Chargers 27 Texans 7 Cowboys 17 Seahawks 7.
80:54I honestly don't really have any functional critical notes on any of these.
80:57So I'll let you guys Hayden. You've got one on anything here.
81:01Go for it. The fact that Keaton Mitchell didn't play was interesting to me because he rested with the starters and then
81:07Kimani Vidal was out there for a lot and then a Rondi Gadsden was out there while Charlie Kohler and David Njoku rested.
81:13So I think, you know, we can read into this Gadsden.
81:16You can't draft. And I think that Keaton Mitchell like the sleeper buzz.
81:20It's not quieting. Yeah. Gadsden's been one of the worst picks on the board all summer long.
81:25I mean, in ultra, I wrote him up as like the worst Titan pick out there.
81:29I mean, he could not block last year and then you bring in Mike McDaniel and you bring in fullbacks and Titans
81:36and then he gets his opportunity to show you can block and it was a very mixed bag of it.
81:41So he's still going as the hundred and thirty sixth overall player.
81:45Can't do it. And then just like Keaton Mitchell sat Hayden, Woody Marks also sat with Dave Montgomery.
81:50And that's notable too, that it's those guys. And then even in practices, you're seeing not a 75% workload here for Dave Montgomery.
81:56It's closer to about 60 or 55%. So that's on my radar.
82:00All I'll say to that is that Josh, if what you're saying and I believe you, by the way, about the Arande Gadsden stuff.
82:07I mean, the fantasy receipts account is going to be able to pay the mortgage off on just like November or mid-October
82:13to mid-November ish tweets on Arande Gadsden on the internet last year because there was quite a firestorm.
82:18And yeah, I don't even know how much he's going to play this year, much less impact your fantasy football teams.
82:24Boys, appreciate you for doing this. You guys, what are you doing this like all again tomorrow, right?
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