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0:04I'm Ryan Warmly, joined by Andrew Erickson. We are talking wide receivers and tight ends to BUY and or SELL.
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1:06Erickson, we have a couple of big names in our wide receivers to BUY segments.
1:10Let's start with yours. Parker Washington, by the Jaguars' number one wide receiver.
1:14I mentioned this last week about Trevor Lawrence and how he has the number one scheduled rest of season for fantasy quarterbacks.
1:21Who is that going to benefit the most? Probably his number one wide receiver in Parker Washington.
1:25So I know that Washington has kind of been up and down a little bit to start the season.
1:31He's had some big games. He's had some games where he left a little bit of production on the table.
1:37I know in the last game that he played, he played 11 targets.
1:40However, it was not a monster performance in terms of the receptions, the yardage and the touchdowns.
1:45But on the year, Parker Washington still 10th in target share, 25%, 10th in air yard share, wide receiver 11 in rest of season rankings.
1:52He's a top 10 receiver rest of season for me.
1:55So I think that you are getting some value on him here.
1:59Just not coming off the greatest game coming off a bye week, but the schedule man is just so good.
2:05Colts, Ravens, Titans. Like this is exactly what you want the recipe for success for a fantasy wide receiver.
2:10Just go on absolute tear. We saw him go on a tear last year in the second half of the season.
2:16We saw Trevor Lawrence take off in the second half of last season.
2:20I think you're going to see more of the same here with his Jacks passing game that they could trade away.
2:26Brian Thomas, Jr. Just further cementing Parker Washington as the guy in this offense.
2:30And I think when it comes to names that you could potentially trade for Washington, I mean, some of these wide receiver
2:36ones that have kind of been disappointed in the last couple of games.
2:40Justin Jefferson, Nico Collins. I know I talk about Christian Watson as a sell high.
2:44I would rather Parker Washington than Christian Watson straight up.
2:47Watson has more competition than Parker Washington does. And if you're looking for a running back wide receiver type of flip, I think Chase Brown.
2:54Again, he's a player I like as a bye.
2:57But if you need receiver help more and you have Chase Brown, I think that's a deal that could get done.
3:03Same thing with Josh Jacobs. Right. I know you mentioned him as your running back to sell.
3:08If you hurt that wide receiver, I think you could trade Jacobs to get Parker Washington.
3:12Parker Washington is so interesting to me because I feel like we have talked about him so much this season as, hey,
3:19we were really hyped about this in draft season and it worked out.
3:22We're all really excited. But then you look like you look at the game logs, you know, obviously he had the bye week last week.
3:30Prior to that, his last four games, wide receiver 28, wide receiver 94, wide receiver three, the big game and the wide receiver 37.
3:37So three of the last four games, he has not even been inside the top 24.
3:41And yet I still feel very confident about him as a wide receiver one going forward.
3:46I think most analysts do. I mean, again, the consensus ranking the rest of season is that he's wide receiver 11 going
3:52forward, but the production hasn't been there. So I think if you're in the right league where somebody isn't maybe paying as
3:58close attention to rankings like ours or to some of the usage stats or to the schedule and they're just strictly looking
4:05at the production, they might say, well, listen, three of the last four games, he had 47 and 64 yards respectively.
4:11Why is this guy being valued as a wide receiver one?
4:14Sure, I'll go trade him if you're going to give me an RB one like a Josh Jacobs or again, whoever the
4:20example is that you want to use. So, but I think if you're in the wrong league or, you know, in a
4:27league where somebody is paying attention to that sort of thing and is kind of aware of the schedule coming forward, then
4:33maybe it wouldn't be so easy to go acquire him.
4:36So I think it's pretty league dependent whether or not he becomes somebody you have to really pay up for or somebody
4:42that you can maybe get, I don't want to say buy low, but buy at a bit of a discount relative to
4:48what we expect him to be rest of season.
4:51Cause like I, I'm in total agreement that rest of season, he is a top 10 receiver locked and loaded for me, like no question about it.
4:59Um, and I think there are probably a lot of Parker Washington managers who agree with that already.
5:04And therefore you're going to have to really pay up to get them.
5:08But I bet you, there are some managers that aren't seeing the same thing and are just looking at the production in
5:14three of the last four games and aren't quite there yet.
5:17So I, I'm not entirely sure what the true market value is, even if the rankings from the analysts, right, this is
5:23an expert driven rankings that we have are still quite high on him.
5:27I think it's the receiver for receiver type of trade where you, you sell off the bigger name, but also a player
5:34that maybe has been kind of equally disappointing to Parker Washington over the last couple of weeks.
5:38Nico Collins, right? What has he done lately? Not much.
5:41Justin Jefferson. Is this ever going to get figured out with Kyler Murray?
5:45Those are two way bigger names in Parker Washington that I don't think that another manager would scoff at that deal and
5:51be like, Oh, I get Nico Collins. Like sick.
5:54Like I'll just take Nico or I'll take Justin Jefferson.
5:57Top five wide receiver in the NFL. Like Parker Washington.
6:00Sure. Let's see if that deal happens. So I think those are the names, even Olave, right?
6:05He's kind of, I was just going to say Olave has not been a wide receiver one since week two.
6:10Now he's been a wide receiver two, four of those five weeks.
6:14It's not like he's been bad, but like that high, high end ceiling has not actually been there since week two.
6:20Yeah. And if you look at the Saints remaining schedule, talked about it when we were discussing Travis H in as a
6:26running back to buy the schedule sets up much better for the running backs for the Saints and the ground game to
6:33get going versus the receivers and the passing game to continue their success.
6:36It's funny. If you look at Olave's player page on fantasy pros, weeks one through six, it's all green matchups.
6:42And then we look at week nine through 18.
6:45It's basically just like a sea of red with like a couple of green matchups in between.
6:49And the other part too, with Olave is what if Jordan Tyson comes back and is like a dude and a baller?
6:56So that's also something to consider. I just, I don't have any question marks about Parker Washington.
7:01He's the number one guy. The schedule is great.
7:03And I believe in Trevor Lawrence. Let me throw one more at you.
7:07You had last week Christian Watson as a sell.
7:10They are back to back in ECR. Who do you prefer?
7:13Would you rather have, would you sell Christian Watson for Parker Washington?
7:16Yep. I think I would too. It's close. Yeah.
7:19Let's go to my wide receiver to buy. And this is definitely a buy high.
7:23It's coming off of a good game. And yet I still think you are buying at a bit of a discount.
7:29It's kind of similar to Parker Washington. Although again, unlike Parker Washington, this guy's actually coming off the big game.
7:35We talked about him at the tailgate yesterday. We've talked about him a lot.
7:39This, this on the show this year, it's Zay Flowers.
7:42And I know what everybody's going to think is like, of course you would want to go buy Zay Flowers.
7:48He's been awesome. I just want to kind of highlight that as awesome as he has been, there is still room for
7:54even more improvement in terms of the fantasy production right now.
7:57Once Lamar gets back healthy. Zay Flowers Erickson has only played in four halves of football with Lamar Jackson this season due to each of their respective injuries.
8:05And by the way, of those four halves of football, only two of them were they both healthy in because one of
8:11those was that game in Rio where Zay was clearly very limited still coming off of his hamstring injury, playing limited snaps.
8:18Wasn't the same. So it's only really been two halves of football with two of them fully healthy and only four they've
8:24even been on the field together this season. And he has three halves of football with at least 119 yards and a touchdown.
8:31Three halves. That would be a great game for any wide receiver one.
8:34And he has three halves of that, including the only two healthy halves with the healthy Lamar Jackson.
8:40His first half of week one, they were both healthy.
8:42First half of week four, they were both healthy.
8:45And in those two games, he had a combined in those two halves, 11 catches, 269 yards and two touchdowns in essentially
8:51the one full game of healthy Zay Flowers and Lamar we've seen this season.
8:55And of course, he had his really big first half this week against the Bengals without Lamar Jackson even on the field
9:02with Tyler Huntley, six catches, 120 yards and a touchdown first half of week seven.
9:06It is astonishing how efficient he has been this season.
9:09He's the number two receiver in football in yards per route run behind only JSN.
9:13Omar Cooper is also ahead, but that's on a way fewer snaps.
9:17But of the guys who have played the full allotment of snaps, it's JSN and then Zay.
9:22And that's with Zay dealing with his own injury and the quarterback injury and all that stuff.
9:26Lamar is expected to be back this week. I am really hopeful as a Ravens fan that they waited the extra week
9:33to make sure he was coming back fully healthy, unlike last year where he came back too soon and it clearly impacted his play.
9:40Because if he's back to the Lamar we saw in the first four weeks of the season, he looked like an MVP paired with Zay who looks unbelievable.
9:48And even setting aside all those stats, Erickson, that we talked about on the tailgate yesterday and I wanted to run back.
9:54We were kind of joking about it like, you know what?
9:57This is Zay Flowers week. We're going to talk about him at every show.
10:01Let's just keep running him back and sort of steering into this kid.
10:05Even aside from the stats, just watching him, he's unbelievable with the ball in his hands.
10:10The long touchdown he had, you know, really it was a short pass that he turned into a long touchdown for Tyler
10:16Huntley on that first drive against the Bengals this week.
10:19I couldn't believe the players he was running by and the angles he was taking and just getting past everybody.
10:25I was like, he just looks like he's playing a different sport on the field right now.
10:29I can't believe the step he has taken. I truly believe if Zay and Lamar had been healthy all season, that this
10:36would be a 2025 JSN level breakout. I don't think he's as good of a receiver as JSN to be clear.
10:42JSN is one of the handful of guys that I do think is a better NFL receiver than Zay Flowers.
10:48But it would be that sort of statistical breakout that we just saw a year ago from JSN, I believe, because the efficiency numbers are astonishing.
10:55And again, you look at these numbers when they're on the field together, he's on pace to basically shatter the receiving record.
11:01It's unbelievable what he's doing, Erickson. So I'm here to say, even ranked as highly as he is in the rest of
11:08season rankings and as valuable as he is to fantasy managers right now, I think there is even more that you can
11:14get out of this guy and that you will get out of this guy if he and Lamar can both stay healthy the rest of the season.
11:22So even already ranked inside the top six rest of season rankings amongst receivers, that's not high enough.
11:27I would move heaven and earth to get him because I think he's a top three receiver rest of the season and
11:33that might even end up being low if they are both healthy.
11:37Yeah, it's a matter of what you trade for him because I do think that the receiver for receiver doesn't really work
11:43with Zay Flowers because I think that he is in the right spot when it comes to the rest of season rankings.
11:49Like if you want to trade, I'm on Ross St.
11:52Brown for Zay Flowers. Okay. I'm not sure. Maybe you're right in the end, but maybe you're not.
11:57Again, I don't like making trades that I feel like are lateral trades.
12:01Now, maybe you feel different if you're like, nope, Flowers, that's top three rest of season.
12:06Okay. Then you've got to sell one of your elite receivers, CeeDee Lamb, after catching two touchdowns.
12:11You've got to sell him to get Zay Flowers.
12:13If you really believe. Malik Neighbors. Yeah. How much do you trust JJ McCarthy long term this season?
12:18That would be another one. Drake London. You're worried if Penix gets hurt again.
12:22He has long injury history. Like if you could do those, I would.
12:26If you can't, then I agree. I think you need to look at like a running back.
12:31Yeah. A running back because teams are always going to need running backs.
12:35So, I mean, Jonathan Taylor. Let me ask you actually quickly.
12:38We can get to Taylor in a second. Let me quickly ask you one more receiver.
12:43Would you trade, just given all of the combined off-field stuff and injury stuff, would you trade Puka for Zay and then
12:49maybe say like, hey, throw in like some lottery ticket handcuff somebody.
12:52Like throw in like a Brian Robinson Jr. or something as like a handcuff lottery ticket.
12:57Would you downgrade from Puka to Zay? Because I would be open to it.
13:01Puka with Devontae out is going to get a billion targets.
13:04But Puka does not have an easy schedule the second half of the season.
13:08And neither does Zay, but the Ravens schedule, because it is so challenging, it is the hardest schedule rest of season right now.
13:15Okay. They're going to have to throw then to keep up in these games because the defense hasn't been as elite as I expected it to be.
13:23And I do think once Lamar is back, they are going to have to throw a lot.
13:27So we might get to see more volume and not have to rely on the efficiency as much.
13:33So I say all that to say, I would at least be open to it with Puka.
13:37Puka is the better player. I rank him higher rest of season, but I would consider that given the injury stuff he's dealing with and the off-field stuff.
13:46But as we just talked about and as you outlined, really there is no one catching Zay Flowers attached to Lamar Jackson besides JSN.
13:52So wouldn't that mean that Zay Flowers arguably should be wide receiver two rest of season?
13:57And there is basically, you trade any receiver not named JSN to get Zay Flowers.
14:01Because like you just said, Puka, you want to trade him to get Zay Flowers?
14:06That's getting done. You can trade any receiver, all those top receivers that are ahead of Zay Flowers in the ranking, except for JSN and get him.
14:13Adding to your point about how effective he's been with Lamar Jackson, they've played 67 snaps together.
14:18This is according to Ryan Mink, who covers the Ravens.
14:21Over those 67 snaps, the Ravens have averaged 5.3 yards per play.
14:25Flowers has caught 16 passes for 353 yards. Unbelievable.
14:27Dude, it's- Just simply ludicrous numbers. And the fact they're playing the- Like, actually, I'm really glad you brought this up because
14:34I think this is actually the move you got to make.
14:37It's buying Ollie Gordon for the running backs and it's trading any receiver not named JSN to get Zay Flowers on your team and just do it, right?
14:45Because if this does sustain and this is legit and real in this Declan Doyle offense and Zay Flowers is healthy and
14:51Lamar Jackson is healthy, then he will be the wide receiver too for the rest of season.
14:56So, again, I didn't expect to make this conclusion coming into this show.
15:00Again, you saw Zay Flowers on the show sheet, or I did.
15:03I'm thinking, oh yeah, of course. Like, I want to get Zay, but like, oh, well, I don't want to pay like
15:10a top-high receiver for it, but it's like- The point is that you should.
15:14You should pay up to get him. Yeah, I think that's kind of like the conclusion I'm kind of coming to in
15:20the grips with reality The receiver is like, I think it's an interesting debate between like him or Jamar Chase or you know, Puka or whatever.
15:27I think those are interesting. I'll say at running back, Gibbs, Bijon, Kenneth Walker, the only three names I would not trade to get Zay Flowers.
15:35Now, there might be other factors at play in terms of like, if you only have one good running back and you're
15:41pretty stacked at receiver, maybe you can't do that.
15:44But in a vacuum, those are the only three running backs I would not trade straight up for Zay Flowers.
15:49Yeah, so again, if we're playing devil's advocate or poking holes, you said Puka, the schedule's not great for him and he
15:56has a lot of off-field baggage when it comes to injuries, etc.
15:59So, okay, you could see Zay doing it. Chase has been disappointing this year.
16:03I don't think that's breaking any type of news, but I mean, dude, T.
16:07Higgins has been better than Chase so far a lot of this season.
16:11So that's something he has to compete with. Whereas Zay Flowers is the only show in town, dude.
16:16Like, I know, dude, Mark Andrews, man. Dude, he is so, so cooked.
16:20Like, all those touchdowns are going to Zay Flowers.
16:23He has no competition. He has an elite quarterback.
16:25You won that bet for sure. I mean, and then again, I don't know why Amon Ra is the guy I'm getting
16:31hung out with the most because I just think Amon Ra is so consistent.
16:35He's so consistent. He's going through receiver every year.
16:38So, like, I feel like he doesn't have a lot of, and I don't want to say, oh, he doesn't have upside.
16:44Of course, he's got upside. So, and he also plays for the Lions.
16:48So. I think Amon Ra is a fine guy to say I prefer just because I know what I'm getting.
16:54Like, whereas Zay has missed time and so has Lamar this year.
16:57And, like, I'm okay saying I'm not going to make that trade just because, like, again, the certainty, even if you think
17:04the ceiling is maybe a touch higher with Zay because of how ludicrous these numbers are, the floor is so incredible with
17:10Amon Ra that, yeah, like, I'm totally fine. Also, Amon Ra's schedule is amazing the rest of the season.
17:15Yeah. So he is a guy you got to hold on to your Lions.
17:19They're just too fun. Yeah, I would not be trading Amon Ra straight up for Zay.
17:24They only play in Domes because, to your point, and I know that we're talking kind of like the best case scenario,
17:30we still need Lamar healthy, which is still not a fact.
17:34So I know we poke some holes in Chase and JSN, or excuse me, in Puka about their performances so far this
17:40year and the risk that maybe they're attached to.
17:42But just going back to, if you're right about Zay Flowers, and we're right about Zay Flowers, like, he could win you your league.
17:49He will be one of those guys where at the end of the season, all that mattered was, did you have Zay Flowers on your team or not?
17:57He can be in that very small group of players the way he's playing this season.
18:02Yeah. Speaking of trades, Erickson, just a quick note here.
18:05The Colts have traded Quentin Nelson. Ooh. Two? I want to see if you can guess where he went.
18:10Oh, wait. Where do you think he's going? Can I get a hint?
18:14Can you say AFC or NFC at least? NFC.
18:17Ooh, NFC team. Okay. Who needs an offensive lineman really badly?
18:20Who's trying to run the ball better? Man, nothing is coming to mind for me.
18:24Who's a team that wants to run better who just lost an offensive lineman this weekend?
18:29Oh, Green Bay? No, although that could be – those hints could definitely have led you to Green Bay.
18:34So that's valid. Was that a terrible answer? No, it's not a terrible answer.
18:38It's just I led you astray there. How about a team that we know is in their win-now window because they just won the Super Bowl?
18:46Oh, Seattle. Just lost Charles Cross. They traded a third and a fifth to get Quentin Nelson.
18:51Which, by the way, I wish the Ravens did.
18:53I would have given up that – Quentin Nelson's still really good even though he's in his 30s now.
18:59And the Ravens just lost Vengo Ioane for a couple of weeks and struggling with that interior offensive line.
19:04There are other teams that could have used him too.
19:07I just – from the Ravens fan perspective, I would have liked – I would have given – I wouldn't have given
19:13up like a first or a second. But man, a third and a fifth to get a guy like Quentin Nelson when you're trying to win now?
19:21I think that's a really good move for the Seahawks.
19:24Yeah. That's a great move. Man, Nelson and Gray Zabel as their guards is pretty great.
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21:45Erickson, who is your wide receiver to sell? And by your, I mean mine that you stole from me.
21:51Yes, full disclosure. Worm put Stefan Diggs in the show sheet first, and I said, no, no, no.
21:56I'm the analyst here, so I want to talk about Stefan Diggs.
21:59So I pulled my analyst card out just when I needed to here in week eight because I was struggling, everybody, to
22:06come up with a good wide receiver sell that I really liked because I just couldn't really find anybody.
22:11But Diggs was the one guy that stood out to me the most as a confident play of a player that you should sell.
22:18And I think there's a lot of reasons why he makes a lot of sense as a sell high.
22:23So anytime you can sell high on a player, I think when they're doing non-football things, when it's based on, okay, now
22:30with Terry McLaurin on injured reserve, Stefan Diggs is going to see more opportunities in the offense, which actually was not the
22:36case when Dan Quinn was asked about Stefan Diggs.
22:39He specifically said that Diggs would not sell a large role.
22:42No, Diggs' role is not going to change in the offense.
22:45Yeah. Like, it's going to be more of Antonio Williams, the rookie that we drafted.
22:49It's going to be more Chica Conqua, which I think makes a lot of sense to me.
22:54We haven't seen this commander's offense under David Blount really funnel through one player, even though David Blount talked about, I'm going
23:01to feed Terry McLaurin 10 targets per game. That ended up not really being the case now.
23:05Now, this doesn't mean that Diggs can't still be a productive fantasy wide receiver three, but I think that's really where he
23:12should be appropriately ranked and not being boosted up because of the absence of Terry McLaurin.
23:16Diggs is not a full-time player in this offense.
23:19Diggs, 62.5% route participation. That ranks 61st among all wide receivers this season.
23:23Now, he has been hyper-targeted at a really high rate when he is on the field running routes, which is good, but
23:29it still caps his ceiling because he's only running a limited amount of routes in the offense.
23:34He's also averaging a career low in yards per route run at 1.6.
23:38He's going to be 33 in November. So, I'm just expecting more of these other pass catchers to stay involved in the
23:44commander's offense and not really to funnel. I think if the commander's offense is funneling through a 33-year-old Stephon Diggs, I think
23:50that's a problem for the offense like rest of season as we saw with the Patriots when they moved on from Stephon
23:57Diggs last year because he is a nice player at this stage in his career, but he is not nearly the same
24:03guy that he was a couple years ago with all the injuries he's also dealt with.
24:08So, I just think that based on the anticipation of him getting more involved, you can get a strong return for a player like Stephon Diggs.
24:15He's a guy that I'd be looking to buy one of these injured running backs with.
24:20If I'm hurting at running back and Diggs has been kind of like my wide receiver four on my team, I would
24:26flip him for Kyle Monongai, Jordan Mason, Blake Corum.
24:29You could flip him for a younger receiver. His rest of season ranking is kind of bunched together with players like Emeka Egbuka, Carnell Tate, Denzel Boston.
24:36You want to bet on these young talents taking over in the second half of the season, not a 33-year-old Stephon Diggs.
24:43So, that's kind of the angle I'm looking at when it comes to selling on Stephon Diggs.
24:47Again, not to say he won't be productive, but if you look at what he's actually done production-wise this year, it's really been touchdown dependent.
24:55He doesn't have a game with more than 55 yards, which I thought was actually kind of crazy to look at because
25:01I felt like he's been high in the fantasy standings a lot of the weeks, but it's really been did he catch a touchdown or not that week.
25:09So, he only has five end zone targets on the year, and he's converted four of them into touchdowns.
25:15So, he's been highly efficient in the red zone.
25:17If that doesn't sustain, then I think that he's going to be more of a low-end fantasy wide receiver three, and right
25:23now he's creeping up into fantasy wide receiver two territory in the rest of the season ranks.
25:28Yeah, I mean you said a lot of the stuff that I was going to say when I picked him, so I don't have a ton to add.
25:36It's really – I'm a big fan of taking advantage of when I think there's too much hype about a new opportunity,
25:43like you said, when you're being boosted up by something that's not related to what you're doing on the field.
25:48In this case, the opportunity with Terry McLaurin going down.
25:51I was a big fan of Antonio Williams coming out of Clemson.
25:55I was a big fan of him in rookie drafts this year.
25:58And before they signed Stephon Diggs, I was a big fan of him as being the number two receiver in this offense.
26:05I think he can step into Terry McLaurin's shoes.
26:07He's not going to be as good as Terry McLaurin, but I think he can fill that role and allow Diggs to
26:13stay in the same role he's been in, which to me is not worth bumping him up in these rankings as much as he is.
26:21He's gone up a handful of spots in this last week despite being on by again with this opportunity and everything.
26:27And I agree with you. These young names around him, I'd much rather have than the guy who's almost 33 and who
26:33I'm not sure about what the role is going to look like.
26:36And also an offense that I'm not convinced is going to be really good the rest of season.
26:42Like it takes one bad tackle for Jaden Daniels to get hurt again.
26:45Or even if Jaden Daniels is in there and he's great.
26:49Like I think Dan Quinn could easily be fired in the next week or two.
26:53And if that happens, then well, you know, what if they lose in embarrassing fashion on Sunday night football to a hapless Eagles team?
27:00I think Dan Quinn's probably getting fired. And now you don't know who the coach is.
27:04You don't know what the stability in the organization is going to look like in that scenario.
27:09I could see this thing really falling off the rails.
27:12And even if it doesn't, I'm not convinced that this is going to be a great role for Stephon Diggs for fantasy purposes.
27:19So, yeah, I mean he doesn't even have 60 yards in a game this season.
27:23He hasn't gotten over 50 since week one. He needs the touchdowns.
27:26And maybe they'll come, maybe they won't. But I think it's going to be unreliable.
27:31And I think you can sell on the enthusiasm for him right now, which is really the big part of this.
27:37Agreed. Great pick by me. Yeah. Nicely done. Well, I was forced to pivot, which I didn't mind doing because I did
27:43have another name I was looking at here. And that's Omar Cooper Jr.
27:47Coming off of a couple of great games for the Jets, a player I liked coming out of Indiana.
27:52You know, rookie wide receivers tend to be good bets in the second halves of season.
27:57Obviously, he missed some time with injury in the first five weeks.
28:00But wide receiver six in week six, wide receiver seven in week seven.
28:04Touchdown in each game, over 100 yards in each game.
28:07Making big plays really looks quite good. I just think it's a little too much too soon in terms of some of the hype.
28:14I think that Garrett Wilson is still long-term going to have, obviously, a very significant role in this offense, even though his
28:20value has been a little bit nuked by Omar Cooper.
28:23However, I think that even if you are not buying in, even if you think that Cooper is maybe going to usurp
28:29Garrett Wilson in terms of the target share at some point in this offense, which I don't agree with.
28:35But if you feel that way, you know, this is still the Jets offense.
28:39It's still Geno Smith. There's still concerns about it.
28:42And then Erickson, it's not a great schedule. There are some games in there that are pretty good, right?
28:47He has the Raiders this week. Bills in week 10.
28:50Chargers week 11. That's all well and dandy. Some of these other games in here, though, the Chiefs in week 9 is a tough matchup.
28:57There's a bye week still to come, which not everybody has.
29:00We are at the point in the year where some players have had them and some haven't.
29:05You do have to start considering that in terms of value and how you're ranking players.
29:10The Broncos in week 14. And then week 16 is the Patriots who he did just – I think are good defense
29:16and can be a good defense against him. He did just have a really good game against him week 6, which I recognize.
29:23But then the fantasy championships against the Vikings and their defense, which is brutal, right?
29:27That's the one defense I most want to not be facing in my fantasy championship.
29:31So it's not a friendly schedule. It's a particularly tough schedule in the fantasy playoffs.
29:36And I think that the really remarkable production the last two weeks is going to boost his value in the eyes of
29:42managers enough that you can get something real bad.
29:45He's wide receiver 36 right now. That's, of course, a huge jump from where it was a week ago.
29:50And I think he might even be valued even higher in trades because everybody knows about rookie receivers in the second half
29:56of the season and because everybody's really excited about what they've seen.
30:00He's ranked around – he's sandwiched between Roma Dunze and Lad McConkie who, again, have been very disappointing this year.
30:06But I'm like, is he really there yet in terms of rest of season rankings?
30:10I'm just – I'm not convinced he should be inside the top 36, and I think you can value him even higher in a trade.
30:17And I'd be looking to sell high on the strength of these last two games.
30:21What do you think, Erickson? Am I crazy? Am I selling out too soon on a guy who's going to really break
30:28out in the second half of the season? What do you think?
30:31Yeah, Cooper is tough because you just look at what he's done, even dating back to his first game with the Jets.
30:37He had one target, and he ripped off a massive big play, and then he got injured on it, and we hadn't
30:44seen him since these last two games. Total rookie year numbers for Omar Cooper.
30:4812 catches for 248 yards and two touchdowns on 13 targets.
30:51Basically perfect whenever he's gotten the ball, and the expulsiveness has really been his biggest strength.
30:56So he leads all players minimum 45 routes run with 0.35 EPA per route, 12.2 explosive catch rate according to next-gen stats.
31:0219.1 yards per target also leads all receivers to at least 10 targets this year.
31:06So obviously some regression is going to kick in.
31:09You're not going to be able to average that 19.1 yards per target – not yards per catch, yards per target.
31:1519.1, which is just absolutely ludicrous. Because Juno Smith's your quarterback, I think that that won't sustain.
31:20There's also a chance, too, that the Jets – do they blow up?
31:23They fire Aaron Glenn. They go to – oh my god, his name is escaping me.
31:28The rookie quarterback they drafted this year that's also on the Jets roster.
31:32I don't know why I can't remember his name.
31:34Yeah, Club Nick. Thank you. From Club Nick. And that obviously is not ideal for any of the pass catchers on the New York Jets.
31:42So I do think that Cooper right now works better as a sweetener with a deal where, hey, I have this piece.
31:48You have a piece I'm trying to upgrade. Let me throw Cooper in a deal and use it to get a better one-for-two type of deal.
31:55Because you're getting Cooper for free because he was on waivers across the board.
31:59But he's had two monster games. And I think that just makes sense to sell high on a player again.
32:05Garrett Wilson's not going to be this less involved.
32:08Or the lack of involvement for Garrett Wilson is not going to sustain over the next couple of games.
32:13Aaron Glenn has been really vocal about, dude, we've got to get Garrett Wilson the ball.
32:18Like, this is my priority or my job's on the line.
32:21I've got to get Garrett Wilson more involved. So, again, not trying to discredit Amon Cooper for what he's been doing.
32:27Again, first-round rookie wide receiver that hits instantly. Unfortunately, this is something that you usually want to buy in.
32:32But to your point, it's about the price. And if you can get a really, really strong return.
32:38Now, what's a deal we can kind of come up with here, Worm, when it comes to a two-for-one, where you're combining
32:44Omar Cooper with another piece to get something that you...
32:47Or one of our buys. Whether it's one of the running backs we talked about, one of the receivers that we talked about.
32:53Do you pair... I mean, that probably... I'm trying to think, like, what is a good deal?
32:58I feel like from what you're describing, and I would agree with this, that probably the best path to a deal is
33:05Omar Cooper and a running back for a better running back.
33:08That's kind of where my mind first goes. Like, could you do something along the lines of Omar Cooper and Josh Jacobs to go get Bashul Tootin?
33:16Could you do Omar Cooper and Quinshon Judkins to go get Chase Brown?
33:19Something like that, if a team is willing to do that and has the need at receiver, I think sounds interesting.
33:25Going up to get a receiver. Yeah, like, I don't think there's a real one-for-one trade here that stands out to me.
33:32I think maybe if it's, like, maybe it's sort of the reverse and you're using him with a receiver to go up
33:38and get a better receiver and just doing a two-for-one but strictly staying at the position.
33:43Maybe it's something like Omar Cooper and Stephon Diggs to go get, like, oh, let me buy low on DJ Moore or
33:49Devontae Smith because we're worried about this offense or something like that.
33:52I think that's probably a path that I would look into trying.
33:56Do those sound reasonable to you? Yeah, those sound reasonable.
33:59I know to make reference to one of the running backs I wanted to buy, Travis Achan, you could probably trade Omar
34:05Cooper to get Achan straight up if you are hurting at the running back position.
34:09I think that would potentially work. Another deal, you could pair Omar Cooper with Tony Pollard.
34:14You could probably get Ashton Gentry, Chase Brown, that type of deal where I think that pairing Cooper with another piece, I think you can get an upgrade.
34:22Let's go to your tight end to either buy or sell.
34:25What direction are you going this week? I'm going with Travis Kelsey as my tight end to sell for the Kansas City Chiefs.
34:32So Kelsey has been a little bit, I mean, actually a lot of bit, underwhelming over his last three games.
34:38In half PPR, he's been actually outside the top 18 in weekly finishes.
34:41So we've kind of seen Mahomes come back down to earth after coming out of the gates red hot over the first two weeks of the season.
34:49And that's obviously had a trickle down effect on Travis Kelsey, who only has two top eight finishes so far this season.
34:55So he is standing as the tight end seven in points per game.
34:59He's a top 10 tight end in rest of season rankings.
35:02He was eight when I did my notes. I think he's at nine right now.
35:07He's actually dropped down to 10. Okay. So let's see the market's catching up on Travis Kelsey, where I think that when
35:13I saw him at eight, I was like, this is really aggressive for rest of season when he's already been tight end seven points per game.
35:20But the Chiefs had had no other receivers in the offense.
35:24Roxy Rice is still banged up. And the hot rumor is that the Chiefs are going to be making a play for a wide receiver.
35:31So I don't think that necessarily helps Kelsey because he's really been more of a floor play this year, right?
35:36He's putting up modest production where if you're starting Travis Kelsey in your fantasy lineup, you don't feel terrible about it.
35:43You're like, okay, like he's getting me some points.
35:45Like, I don't hate this. But I think there are way bigger upside swings that you could make.
35:50And two of the guys that were right around him in the rest of season rankings, they were behind him.
35:56Maybe now the market's adjusted. But Bretton Strange, Dalton Kincaid.
35:59Like, those are two guys I'm looking to make a move on with Travis Kelsey as part of a two-for-two deal or something along those lines.
36:06Kincaid's been really up and down, but I think his upside is so much higher than Travis Kelsey.
36:12And Bretton Strange, man, this dude is just underrated.
36:14Again, going back to the Jaguars having a great schedule rest of season, it would not surprise me whatsoever.
36:20Bretton Strange is like a top five tight end rest of season because being attached to Trevor Lawrence.
36:25If Lawrence is throwing four touchdowns every single week, Bretton Strange is going to be heavily involved.
36:30Great matchup this week against Indianapolis Colts, who we know have been just an absolute sieve against tight ends.
36:35So for me, tough schedule rest of season for Travis Kelsey.
36:38He's going to be 37 years old. He's had the opportunity to see the most targets over the last couple games.
36:44And he has been disappointing. And again, you're not expecting maximum efficiency from Kelsey at his age, but I think that his ceiling is so capped.
36:52And I think that you can profit off of what he's done so far this year and get a strong return and
36:58get someone more upside the rest of the way.
37:01It's a wide gap in the rankings and this other guy is still hurt.
37:05But who's more likely to win you your fantasy league this season?
37:08Travis Kelsey or Terrence Ferguson? Yeah, it's Ferguson. Terrence Ferguson.
37:11He was my tight end to buy last week.
37:14And of course, we got crappy news after the show released.
37:17I came onto the show and I was like, dude, I was like bowing down to you.
37:22I said, this is going to be your single best player to buy of the entire season.
37:27I was so on board with it. I thought it was an unbelievably good call.
37:31And then like two hours later, they were like, he's not going to come off IR as soon as he's ready.
37:37I just like, I knew that was going to happen too, right?
37:40Because you had just been giving me all my flowers.
37:43Dude, I was like, we're going to clip this.
37:46We're going to drop it four weeks from now and he looks like a league winner.
37:50It's going to be awesome. And it didn't happen.
37:53But I still would say like, I would trade Kelsey.
37:56I mean, if you could, I don't know. But like, I would trade Kelsey straight up for Ferguson and say, I'll just
38:02go find somebody to have to waiver wire until Ferguson is back and take that upside swing.
38:07Travis Kelsey is not going to win you your fantasy league this year.
38:11Terrence Ferguson could. I'm not trying to finish in seventh.
38:14Like I'm trying to win. So yeah, to me, that's an interesting name there.
38:18I think Chigakonkwo is an interesting name because we really liked him before they signed Stefan Diggs.
38:23And he hasn't really done much because they'd signed Diggs.
38:26Now that McLaurin's out, it's sort of the same scenario of there's one proven receiver here and maybe now an opportunity for Chigakonkwo.
38:32He's ranked right in that same range as well in the rest of season rankings.
38:36So I would maybe be thinking about him. I like the Brenton Strange call a lot.
38:41Like there's a lot of these names I would just rather take the upside swing on than Travis Kelsey.
38:47Great. Let's do some buy, sell, or hold at wide receiver.
38:50How about AJ Brown, Jameson Williams, DJ Moore? AJ Brown, Jameson Williams, DJ Moore, buy, sell, hold.
38:55So Jameson Williams probably might sell high just because he's coming off another big game with another two touchdowns.
39:00We know that the target share is going to fluctuate a little bit.
39:04I don't think that we're going to see that lack of involvement from Sam Laporta every single week.
39:09So look, this is the JMO experience, right? We all know how it works.
39:13You buy him when he puts up a goose egg and then you sell high after he has a three touchdown or two touchdown performance.
39:20Back to back two touchdown games, by the way.
39:23This has a bye week in between. So he's definitely not a player that's consistent.
39:27I think that we all can kind of agree with that.
39:30And that's not to say that he's not useful in fantasy because he can help you win your week just like he's done the last couple games.
39:38But it's going to fluctuate. And if you can't deal with the inconsistencies, then you're going to get the most for Jameson
39:44Williams right now, in my opinion, out of these three players.
39:47DJ Moore will be my hold because I want to see him just healthy.
39:52And to his credit, when he was healthy earlier in the year, it looked like, man, DJ Moore was a smash pick this season in fantasy.
39:59He looked like he was going to be on his way to being a league winner.
40:04Obviously, he dealt with the shoulder injury. But coming off the bye week, I think that he'll probably be in better shape.
40:10And it's hard to sell players when they're injured to get the maximum return.
40:14So DJ Moore will be my hold. And then AJ Brown's still my bye, right?
40:18I'm not going to be dissuaded or moved off of my stance on Brown as the Patriots wide receiver one rest of season.
40:25Now, I know like the Thursday night game was not good.
40:28And I actually went back and watched all of his routes from Thursday night.
40:32And I watched all his routes against the New York Jets the week before because I couldn't believe that I was watching
40:38him on Thursday night and thinking, Does he look worse than he did against the Jets?
40:43Because that's how it felt watching it the first time.
40:46And then on the rewatch, it was true. He looked worse in his second game back.
40:50And I don't know if that's because, hey, it was a quick turnaround.
40:54It was a short week. Again, coming off of the high ankle sprain, still kind of feeling the lingering effects of, okay, I've just played an NFL game.
41:02I got to play an NFL game four days later.
41:05Okay, I'm still like not 100%. And if he catches that pass and doesn't get a, or it should have been a
41:11pass interference call on that deep sideline throw, that would have been a 50-yard gain.
41:16He would have gone over 75 receiving yards for the game total.
41:19And nobody would be complaining about A.J. Brown as a mega bust in Thursday night football.
41:24So I still think that he's clearly the bot.
41:26He's still the alpha in this passing game. The Patriots schedule is still really, really good over the next couple of games.
41:33And he's still attached to Drake May. So Drake May is not the problem, right?
41:37It's just A.J. Brown kind of knocking off more of his rust.
41:41So I didn't think that he looked washed, specifically going back to the Jets game.
41:45I thought he looked a little bit more explosive coming in out of his cuts.
41:49Not the same case when it comes to the Bears game.
41:52But I think that there's still a lot to be left for production-wise for A.J.
41:57Brown. So I would still be looking to buy him.
41:59And you can get him even cheaper than we did when we talked about him a week ago.
42:05So that's my stance. Yeah, I'm definitely selling Jameson Williams.
42:08Jameson Williams, that's an easy one. Brown versus Moore.
42:10Like, I would very much be interested in buying both of these guys right now.
42:14I think both are very smart buys. So you can sort of nitpick between which one you would call a hold and
42:21which one you would call a buy. But for me, like, they are both buys.
42:25If I had to pick, because that's what I usually make you do and I don't let you pick two for the
42:31same category, then I think I would agree with you with A.J.
42:35Brown as a buy. It just feels like the ceiling is slightly higher there.
42:39But I'm a really big believer in D.J. Moore in this offense.
42:42And I think the injury has really kind of diverted our attention from what could have been a pretty successful season.
42:48Like, obviously, that Detroit, you know, it's funny looking at, like, the wide receiver finishes and the weekly rankings for him.
42:54You know, it's wide receiver eight in week one, wide receiver 168 in week two because he had negative points.
43:00He had the one carry for negative one yards.
43:03He was as low as you could possibly get.
43:05But then, you know, 10 targets in week three and then the injury stuff.
43:09But I think the schedule is actually pretty good for D.J.
43:13Moore going forward. You know, it's Ravens, Vikings, Jets, Dolphins, Chiefs, Patriots.
43:16Then you get Packers, Bears. Week 17 is the Dolphins again.
43:19Like, I'm pretty interested in trading for D.J. Moore.
43:22You know, just to differentiate, I'll say D.J. Moore is the buy and A.J.
43:26Brown is the hold. But really, to me, they're both buys if I'm being totally honest.
43:30All right. One more trio here. Again, I actually put this name in before you made me pivot to this guy.
43:36So Omar Cooper is in this trio here. Omar Cooper Jr., Jeremy Bernard, Casey Concepciono with three rookies here who are all ranked in the same area.
43:44These are receivers wide receiver 33, wide receiver 36, and wide receiver 38.
43:48So they're all within about five spots of each other.
43:51Omar Cooper Jr., Jeremy Bernard, Casey Concepciono, buy, sell, and hold.
43:54I will buy Casey Concepcion. I will hold Omar Cooper, and I will sell Jeremy Bernard.
43:59Is that easy? You went through it pretty quickly.
44:01Like, is that like kind of a no-brainer for you?
44:04I mean, I guess for me, it's I'm kind of putting my dynasty hat on for this because it's all three rookie wide receivers.
44:11And if I'm looking at it from, okay, long-term, rest of season, right?
44:15Who would I want the most? It's that order, right?
44:18I want Concepcion the most because he was the highest guy I had ranked coming out of the draft.
44:23He was a first-round pick. And he's been the most consistent of these three guys leading the Browns in target share, I believe, so far this season.
44:31He finally had his breakout game. I was kicking myself worm because I ranked him so much lower this week with the
44:37idea that, dude, all this guy does is put up a floor every single week.
44:41I want a ceiling. And, of course, I always know that if guys continue to just put up floor after floor after
44:48floor, eventually you do hit that ceiling game. And, of course, it was the week that I ranked him lower versus Concepcion.
44:54It's like, oh, my God. So I was really mad about myself for that.
44:58But that being said, you definitely want to buy Casey Concepcion.
45:01I don't think that this is a fluke. You know, I think he's a really talented player.
45:06Him and Denzel Boston are both excellent wide receivers.
45:09I think they're both going. The fact that they've been able to thrive with the context of Deshaun Watson being their quarterback
45:15is just a testament to how good and talented these guys are.
45:18Cooper, I would just hold on to because I think that, again, I like him more than Bernard coming out.
45:24So and then Bernard will be the guy that I would probably sell based on, OK, the first or the last couple games.
45:31Obviously, this past week was the biggest disappointment. And I just don't know how sustainable the Rodgers pass heavy approach is for the rest of season.
45:38Also, chance that Michael Pittman comes back and kind of throws a wrench into Jeremy Bernard's role in the Steelers offense.
45:44So is that does that make sense? If Cooper is the hold?
45:48I have to say Cooper is the cell because I picked him as a cell on this show.
45:53So he's obviously locked in a cell for me.
45:56And then of the other two, I'd rather have Concepcion.
45:58So, yeah, I'll say buy him and hold Bernard.
46:01I guess the way I'm looking at it, too, is if I had Omar Cooper and someone offered me Jeremy Bernard for him, would I accept?
46:08I would rather not. Even though I have Cooper as my cell of the week, I would rather have Bernard.
46:14The reason Cooper is a cell is because I think you can get more than a guy like Bernard for him.
46:20Not because, like, I wouldn't sell him for just pennies on the dollar, which I think, not pennies, but, you know, quarters
46:27on the dollar the way Bernard would be. I would rather have Cooper rest the season than Bernard.
46:32Just to make a fun little bow on this, Jordan Tyson or any of these guys.
46:36Where would you put Tyson? I think I'd put him last just because we haven't seen it yet.
46:42Oh, okay. I like Tyson. I like the ceiling.
46:44I'd be happy to – I would trade any of the – I would probably trade Cooper for Tyson.
46:50You know what? I would trade Bernard for him.
46:52I would trade Bernard for Jordan Tyson. I wouldn't – we're talking redraft, right?
46:56Yeah. Yeah. I would trade Bernard for Tyson, but I don't think – I wouldn't trade Cooper or Concepcion for Tyson just because, like, we haven't seen it.
47:04How much time is he going to take him to shake off the – like, it might be, like, week 10 or
47:1111 by the time we're like, okay, he's now startable in our lineup and we've seen it and trust him.
47:16And that's okay. Well, look, fantasy season is almost over by then.
47:20So, for me, I would still have Cooper and Concepcion ahead, but not Bernard.
47:24Cool. Over all three of them for you is how you said.
47:27I think Concepcion, I would keep – I think the Cooper versus Tyson is kind of interesting.
47:32That is a really interesting one. I want to take more.
47:35I have them back to back in my rest of season rankings.
47:39Yeah. So, I'm clearly not super bullish either direction.
47:41I'm just going back to, like, prospect brain with some of these players.
47:45Yeah. But then also – I get it. I want to, you know, consider what they've done in the NFL, which Jordan
47:51Tyson has done literally nothing because he hasn't played yet.
47:54So, it's hard to be, oh, you got to get Tyson now because we still don't know when and if he's going
48:01to come back and play considering he's already missed half the season.
48:04So, let's go ahead and wrap things up there.
48:07Thanks, everybody, for checking out our players to buy and sell at the receiver and tight end positions.
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