0:00This is an iHeartPodcasts. Guaranteed Human. Guarno. Hello, everybody.
0:03Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Podcast. I'm Ryan Warmly, joined by Tara Roberts.
0:07We are talking five moves to make before Week 8, almost at the halfway point of the season here.
0:13Tara, how are you feeling after Week 7? Good Week 7, yeah.
0:17Survived JSN. I had to reach out to the Fantasy Gods and pray, but it happened.
0:22Like, hey, just a miracle in itself. I don't know how, but yeah.
0:26Survived a survivor pool. So yeah, it was overall, it could have been a lot worse.
0:31Yeah. A week of surviving. Yes. We can relate to that one.
0:35Reminder for everybody that all of our weekly consensus rankings and tiers can be found at FantasyPros.com slash rankings.
0:41You can navigate from there to the rest of season consensus rankings.
0:44If I give a ranking on the show today, that's what I'm referring to is the updated rest of season rankings.
0:51And I've intentionally only selected experts who have updated since this morning.
0:55So we have the most up-to-date guys who have seen what happened in Week 7 and where they are ranking players rest of season.
1:02Tara, let's start out with a bye. Yes, we are going to buy Quinch on Judkins.
1:07Yeah. After the big game, you know, it doesn't, doesn't always have to be a buy low because his value is still extremely low.
1:15And because running backs are scarce. Like one of the most common questions that I get is specifically about trading running backs.
1:22And one of the most common names that I get is a guy like Chase Brown, an RB1 who's underperforming.
1:28People want to buy low, hope that, you know, things are going to turn around.
1:33They're going to figure it out. But the problem with a guy like Chase Brown is that because he has that, that draft capital where everyone drafted him.
1:42He's got the name tag. He's got the Cincinnati offense associated with him and Joe Burrow.
1:47He's got the receiving upside. There's so many positives that his value doesn't actually really dip down to where it's a genuine
1:54buy low, which means that you, even if you're packaging, right, you're often technically from what I'm seeing, you're overpaying for someone who is significantly underperforming.
2:02Instead, you could look at guys that are a little bit lower valued and there's several options.
2:07But one that I think is really interesting is Quenchon Judkins because he's very reasonably priced, low perception because of the, you
2:14know, his team, unfortunately, has Deshaun Watson and lack of star power in that end, general skepticism.
2:20And that's literally just the only ups issue. And the fact that he also doesn't have that perceived receiving upside of a guy like Chase Brown.
2:28So he's more than capable of doing it. And then you add in the double whammy of Dylan Sampson coming back that
2:35just decreases the value even more, despite the fact that he is coming off of a fantastic game.
2:41But I feel very good about what I saw from the Browns in general, despite the fact that Deshaun Watson was still Deshaun Watson.
2:48They remained, you know, aggressive on the ground, successful on the ground.
2:52The line held up well. Samson did his thing and adding in value.
2:56He looked good. He had receptions. And despite all of that, we still had Judkins scoring more than 20 fantasy points.
3:03So take advantage of the weird skepticism around him and the perception of the Browns offense and grab what is probably the
3:10lowest cost, one of the lowest costs RB ones that you can get and plug in and feel comfortable now that the
3:16Browns are kind of on track as a solid RB two that gives you upside on a weekly basis.
3:22How would you rank rest of season these three running backs?
3:26Quinshawn Judkins, Josh Jacobs, Ollie Gordon. What's the order in which you prefer to have those guys?
3:31Because there's some other names sprinkled in between them in the rest of season rankings.
3:36But a lot of those names are guys who are dealing with injuries right now.
3:41So amongst the healthy guys in this range, how would you rank those three?
3:45I do have I do have Jacobs higher. I am.
3:48There's that the caveat of just like the the risk that lingers out there.
3:53But apples to apples, just because of the offense, I would lean towards Jacobs.
3:57Even if you're taking on the risk, then I would have Quinshawn Judkins and then Ollie Gordon.
4:02But Ollie Gordon is also one of those guys that I think is a fine offer as well.
4:08So they're kind of in that same bucket for me.
4:11Yeah, Gordon to me feels like somebody that could have been a name you discussed here as somebody to go out and
4:18buy him because all he keeps doing is producing.
4:21And it like I don't think the name value and just the dolphins of it all.
4:26I think that's going to weigh down his his value here.
4:30At least it still is right now. So, yeah, I think he's he's another one there.
4:35Any receivers come to mind as a receiver you would trade to get Judkins?
4:39Yes, the big one for me is DJ Moore.
4:42Obviously, we don't have a you know, the lingering injury things are kind of an issue with him.
4:48But at the end of the day, he is still the wide receiver one of that offense.
4:53So he still has pretty decent value. That's a realistic one that you could trade because you've been getting by without him.
5:00And maybe you need a running back and you drafted while at wide receiver and you're OK.
5:05Maybe you picked up guys off waivers. That's an interesting one.
5:09And then maybe a Rishi Rice as well. Kind of taking advantage of these guys that are, you know, solid wide receiver
5:16twos and value, but are dealing with the wide variety of injuries and issues that are kind of holding them back.
5:22So you can make that swap because Judkins has a lower value.
5:26Hit me with a wide receiver that you're looking to buy.
5:30I am looking to buy Justin Jefferson. I know this one comes with some skepticism, right?
5:35But I think it's the perfect time to put in a low ball offer on him.
5:40I don't trust Kyler Murray in any way, shape or form.
5:43This is not an endorsement of him. So we can put that off to the side.
5:48It's very funny. Just it's completely irrelevant of, you know, the Vikings are thriving.
5:53It has nothing to do with Kyler Murray, right?
5:55Has not surpassed 250 yards high was 247 against Miami.
5:59I mean, he's had a whole bunch of layup matchups as well, with the exception of Tampa Bay.
6:04But now that we got all the negatives out there and why this is not an endorsement of Kyler Murray, this is purely about the schedule.
6:12So moving forward, Detroit, Buffalo, Green Bay, San Francisco, Atlanta, Carolina, New England, right?
6:17And then Detroit for the start of the fantasy playoffs, Washington and then the New York Jets.
6:22There are a couple of, you know, hiccups in there.
6:25But the hiccups are teams that will at the very least force aggressive pass volume, more aggressive than what it has been.
6:32Because the problem is, is they've been in these weird kind of layup matchups to where with the exception of week one
6:39against Green Bay, which, you know, Kyler Murray wasn't there for that one.
6:43They've been in these scenarios where they're not playing teams that can necessarily consistently push aggressive volume against them.
6:49So it makes it so that they can lean on the run, rely on their defense.
6:54They don't have to really force the issue with Kyler Murray.
6:58When you get into matchups with teams like Detroit, New England, they're going to force the issue.
7:03San Francisco, hopefully by then they've got Mike Evans back.
7:06But, you know, they'll force the issue on that end.
7:09And so we can look for higher pass volume.
7:12So overall, positive schedule. We feel good about it.
7:15A guy that faces beatable defenses and can push these games from being in the 20 to 40 point total range.
7:22That's the issue. These games that they've been playing are in the 20 to 40 point total range.
7:27These games coming up in the schedule, it's going to push far above that so we can finally get into these high volume matchups.
7:35Do you feel like we had a very short conversation on this with Debro on the tailgate this morning?
7:41Do you feel like Justin Jefferson has taken a step back personally?
7:45Or do you think that his lack of production is entirely driven by the frustrating quarterback and offensive environment that he's been in right now?
7:53Because, I mean, like you go going back to the Vikings at a week six by in 2025.
7:58Going back to that bye week last year, he has one game with over 100 receiving yards and it was 101.
8:05He barely got there. It was week 18 of last year.
8:08So it didn't even help in fantasy. So like it is a really long stretch of like not reaching this mark that
8:15like we think of him as being very capable of hitting in any given game.
8:20Do you feel like he is taking any sort of step back or is this all about the quarterback?
8:26No, I think it's all about the quarterback. And it's unfortunate because, you know, you know that some of these quarterbacks have capabilities like take J.J.
8:34McCarthy. We see him now delivering plenty of, you know, volume to Malik neighbors.
8:39And you wonder, OK, why why did that not happen with Justin Jefferson?
8:43But going back to memory and looking at that, I mean, it wasn't as if there were it was very strange.
8:49Like he legitimately could not hit Justin Jefferson. It wasn't as if Jefferson was dropping anything or frustrated.
8:55So I don't think it kind of teeters towards the George Pickens ends of, you know, frustration and you start to slack off a little bit.
9:03And there's issues that are really more so on your end.
9:07No offense to George Pickens, but we know that does happen from time to time.
9:12I think it's just a weird coincidence of the quarterback situation, game situations.
9:16And then again, having such a good defense that they don't have to necessarily pass aggressively.
9:21You've got another big name receiver on the list here.
9:24Yeah, we're kind of hitting that kind of mid range guys that are theoretically still holding decent value.
9:29But once you start to put out offers, you'll you'll notice that it's not as high as it is on paper.
9:36Chris Olave is one of those guys. The Saints are on a bye.
9:40Olave has had three disappointing games by his standards after the extremely hot start.
9:45Now's the perfect time to swoop in and just snag him at low cost because we've got that fear of what everyone is saying.
9:52And, you know, hey, I'm saying it, too, right?
9:55Right. Jordan Tyson, he's coming. He'll be he'll be back soon.
9:58Hopefully he'll be able to stay on the field and hamstring issue free.
10:03But that only adds to depressing the value of people that are getting concerned and want to get out of this with Tyson's looming return.
10:10Wondering like, oh, my gosh, is Chris Olave going to disappear?
10:14Is Tyler Shutt going to hold up? Right. But when you look at the schedule and the hot start versus how he's cooled off, it does make sense.
10:23Right. He had between 10 to 13 targets in each of the first four games.
10:28Those games were Detroit, Baltimore with Lamar Jackson. That's key.
10:31Vegas and Atlanta. All of those matchups had Tyler Shutt throwing between 34 to 56 attempts.
10:36Right. The first poor performance that Chris Olave had was against Minnesota.
10:39Completely understandable. We write that off. The Giants game wasn't a poor performance.
10:44It was just a floor game of 14 fantasy points in PPR.
10:47And then he had 10 targets against Pittsburgh. So not a particularly efficient day.
10:52None of these games to me scream panic mode.
10:55I know on the surface after the way that we started and we're thinking, good God, this is the league winning stack.
11:02Tyler Shutt and Chris Olave. It can make you want to flip out and jump out and bail out immediately.
11:08But looking at the Saints schedule, they don't have an extremely difficult rest of season schedule.
11:13Olave is still the wide receiver one and he's probably one of the cheapest true wide receiver ones that you can snag at value.
11:20Rest of season, he is ranked as wide receiver seven in the consensus rankings.
11:25Yeah. But I'm kind of with you in that.
11:28I don't know that he's necessarily held in that level by his fantasy managers.
11:32I mean, in half PPR scoring, he has not been a wide receiver one since week two.
11:38Now he's been wide receiver 13 in one of these games.
11:41He's been 19, 20, 20, 45 against the Vikings.
11:44So it's not like he's been killing you. There's been a real floor there of top 20.
11:49But that ceiling has not been present since weeks one and two, which I think is noticed by his managers and does
11:56make him maybe a little more attainable. He's an interesting one.
12:00When you think about buying Chris Olave, he's somebody that you are like, I want to make an aggressive offer and make
12:07sure I go out and get him. And you can throw out some names as examples if you want.
12:13Or is he somebody where you're like, I want to see, I want to take the temperature of the Chris Olave manager
12:19in my league and see if he is maybe attainable at a little bit under value.
12:24Or are you like, listen, even if the manager is ranking him as wide receiver seven, I still want to go get him.
12:32Where's your head at with that? No, I think you take the temperature and you put in a low ball offer because,
12:39again, wide receiver seven is the respect that we're giving him.
12:42That is not reflective of the panic level that people are having in terms of his production, right?
12:48Especially because of the hype around what Jordan Tyson could be and how that kind of affected his ADP once we, you
12:55know, felt comfortable with thinking that Tyson was going to be healthy before the injury came preseason.
13:00So, yeah, I don't think that you have to shoot that high, make an aggressive offer to make sure that you get him.
13:07I think that you can come in there with a low ball offer to try and get him.
13:13You know, it's funny if you were looking at maybe swapping positions wise, you know, a low ball offer to me.
13:20And I think this is actually one that kind of would be on par in terms of value would actually be offering a Chase Brown.
13:28He's also got that decreased perception, but he also still has that high value.
13:32So if you wanted to maybe get out of that situation, if you've got solid options at running back and buy in
13:39on Chris Olave, I think that's the direction you could go.
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14:04That's fantasypros.com slash markets. Tara, who's the next player you want to talk about?
14:09This is a fun one. I've been waiting to do a little one that's not a buy or sell.
14:15This is a hold, add, and or buy for Brian Thomas Jr.
14:18Because he is literally just right under 50% rostered in Yahoo League.
14:22So depending on the depth of your league, you could have him.
14:26He could be on waivers. It could be someone that you could potentially trade for.
14:31So there's a wide variety of directions that you could go here.
14:34But I do want to have him on roster because the writing on the wall is very clear with Brian Thomas Jr.
14:41And it's going to go one of two ways, neither of which is particularly risky, in my opinion, given how extremely bottomed out his prices.
14:49Guys, he barely is holding on to value. Like, people were very quick to dropkick him onto waivers in a lot of shallow leagues.
14:57So, I mean, really and truly, to acquire him, it's not as if you have to do anything special, even in deeper leagues.
15:04There are multiple contending teams with top quarterbacks that have clear holds at wide receiver.
15:09And Brian Thomas Jr.'s value would jump significantly if he landed with any of them.
15:14And I know the Jags, it's funny, Liam Cohen came out and said that Brian Thomas Jr.
15:19is going to help us out this week. A lot of positive things.
15:23We're going to get him involved. Yeah, it's interesting that they said that after he played to a snap count that was
15:30reduced in week six to around 20%, which is that big red flag of, okay, he's pulled from the game because they
15:37don't want him to get hurt because of the trade value.
15:40It's possible, though, that Liam Cohen is saying those things because the price isn't quite right.
15:45Because we do have a very clear baseline in pricing with the Marvin Harrison Jr.
15:50trade. He had higher draft capital, but Brian Thomas Jr.
15:53has far more proven upside given his rookie season.
15:56So the Jags are probably looking to match that at a bare minimum.
16:00So if they can't get the compensation that's right for them, maybe they're just not interested because they're a contender and they can ultimately use Brian Thomas Jr.
16:09I find it hard to believe that if the trade doesn't happen that rest of season, they're just going to sit him
16:16and he's just not going to be involved. He'd just be in the mix with Jacoby Myers.
16:21And what makes it a not so risky situation of if he stays with Jacksonville is that the Jags rest of season schedule is quite literally a cakewalk.
16:30Layup matchup after layup matchup. We knew this was heading into the season.
16:34We knew that there was probably no way that Brian Thomas Jr.
16:38was going to have any level of upside before the Jags bye week because it was just so aggressively tilted with difficult matchups and difficult quarterback matchups.
16:47Rest of season, worst case scenario, if he stays with the Jags, it would be a low inflex option with games that
16:53are layups or at least the tougher ones would at least have higher, extremely high point totals because they play good offenses.
17:00So, yeah, put it out there, guys. If he is available, grab him.
17:05Just see what happens. Trade could happen, could come in a good situation.
17:09And if not, what was really the risk? Because you're not trading anything special to get him.
17:14Wide receiver 64 in rest of season ranking. So, completely just, you know, buried in the rankings.
17:19Is there a preferred spot for you to see him go?
17:23I would love to see San Francisco. I do know that San Francisco is not opposed to just pushing through and trying
17:30to figure out how to make it work with the little pieces that they have.
17:34But, I mean, the fact that they were rolling out there and lost, that probably is a kicker in terms of making
17:41them maybe make that move versus the traditional, like, oh, we're just going to stand pat.
17:46And maybe we try and, you know, make a low-end trade or add somebody off a practice squad or something.
17:53So, maybe that's the one because I'm really skeptical of this Achilles situation with Mike Evans.
17:58So, they need to do something to have a wide receiver one long term because it's extremely risky for them to roll
18:05forward hoping that this is not a issue that is going to plague Mike Evans rest of season.
18:10You've got a player to sell for us, Tara, coming off of a massive game.
18:15I do. We're going to do the traditional sell high on Tony Pollard because if you have him, I would hope that
18:22you haven't had to been relying on him as a starter this season.
18:26And this is a nice opportunity just to target managers that are dealing with injuries or bye weeks and sell him off
18:33after, you know, 25 carries, hefty workload, 100 yards, three touchdowns.
18:37He does this from time to time. He's not a destitute running back, right?
18:41He's just on a destitute team, which is why we have, you know, repeatedly hoped that he would, you know, trade deadline after trade deadline.
18:49How many times has he been floated out? Yeah.
18:52It could be Tony Pollard. He could be on the move.
18:55And yet, Tennessee just kind of holds steady on that.
18:58And maybe this is the year. But if, you know, if you want to hold and see what happens, that's perfectly fine.
19:05You don't have to make an aggressive move. But it's worth putting out there because he is a solid back.
19:12And under the right circumstances, you can make the argument for why these outlier performances keep happening, right?
19:17Ironically, it happened against Cleveland last year as well.
19:20So I wonder if maybe that's true. Maybe there's something to that, you know, that orange and brown that makes him feel good.
19:27I don't know. But I find it hard to believe this level of performance is going to be repeating on a weekly basis.
19:35He just pops off from time to time, often in the back half of the season, right?
19:40And this performance was really probably the best that we are going to see out of him.
19:45So if there's a sell-high opportunity, especially with injuries plaguing the running back room, this is it right here.
19:51He has a bye week coming up in week nine.
19:54So, hey, if you can find someone that can get use out of him in week eight, you can avoid that bye week as well.
20:02And by any means, you know, again, this is not a must-sell, must-sell kind of situation because he is a lead back.
20:09He's had at least 14 carries in every single game this season except for week one.
20:14But, again, that kind of hammers home the point of why, like, maybe we should sell on this.
20:20He has been a lead back the whole time.
20:23And we're just now seeing the ceiling game. Tennessee is a bad team.
20:27The upcoming schedule is full of teams that they should not theoretically be competitive with.
20:32Cincinnati, Jacksonville, who knows with Dallas, but Jacksonville again and then up and down after that.
20:37So seeing, you know, putting your feelers out there, seeing what you can get potentially for him in terms of some people having positive sentiments around him.
20:45Would you trade him for one of these upside running backs like, you know, Manungai or Okoram or Jonah Coleman?
20:52Those guys are all ranked behind him in the rest of the season rankings.
20:56Any of them you'd be interested in? I would.
20:59I thought about that one as well because, you know, you could aim high and try and get something.
21:05But realistically, when it comes to Tony Pollard, the flip is probably going to have to be for one of these high-end handcuffs with standalone value.
21:13Like, and if you think about it, if it troubles you to think about why would I trade a starting running back
21:20for a guy that's a backup running back in theory, think about it on a weekly basis over the past several weeks.
21:27Exclude this week when all the running backs went out and we say, OK, now he's a safe start.
21:33Prior to that, if you're looking at your roster, were you picking Tony Pollard or were you picking Blake Corum?
21:39Yeah, you might have been picking Blake Corum on that one and the production would have warranted it.
21:45So, yeah, I could make that flip for one of the higher-end guys for sure.
21:50All right. We'll wrap things up there. Thanks, everybody, for checking out the five moves to make before week eight.
21:56For Tara, I'm Ryan Warmly. We'll see you again next time.
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