0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Hello everybody, welcome into the FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast.
0:05I'm Ryan Warmly joined by Andrew Erickson. On this Tuesday morning, we're talking some Week 8 buys and sells at the running back and quarterback positions.
0:12Part 2 will feature the wide receiver and tight end positions.
0:15You can catch that on YouTube or wherever you listen to your podcasts.
0:18Erickson, how are you doing my friend? Doing good, Week 8.
0:22I have to admit though, this was one of the toughest buy sells type of show to get prepped for because I
0:28just wasn't feeling a lot of my names. Honestly, I really wanted to run back a lot of the names that we've
0:34mentioned throughout the previous weeks, but trying to create some new names because if you read the articles, always buying Chase Brown
0:40because he's a buy low target, but I didn't want to keep putting on the same guys.
0:44So a little bit of a struggle here this morning, but we will persevere.
0:48Hopefully better than like the Eagles last night. That was an abysmal showing from a team that's just so broken in terms
0:54of who they have left in the offense. And yeah, we can break it down a little bit.
0:59I too am starting to get to the point in the year where I feel like I still really believe in a
1:05lot of these buys and sells we've talked about.
1:08And therefore, I don't want to get too repetitive by bringing them up, you know, the same names.
1:13We actually only have about a month left of this show, Erickson, before we pivot to our predictions version of this show,
1:19which we'll do after the fantasy trade deadline happens in most leagues.
1:22So that's just a little housekeeping for about a month from now, but we still got a handful of weeks to go here.
1:29Let's get into that game that you just alluded to Cowboys 38 Eagles 21 on Monday night football.
1:34Obviously very high scoring game here. Cowboys very good.
1:36Dak Prescott throwing for three touchdowns, just 212 yards.
1:39Javante Williams really an excellent game. Career high 155 rushing yards.
1:42I think they said he was the first cowboy to rush for 150 yards since Ezekiel Elliott.
1:46He did get the late touchdown to sort of cement a really excellent fantasy day from Javante.
1:51CeeDee Lamb catches two touchdowns. Pickens just gets his 57 yards, but he gets into the end zone as well.
1:57On the Cowboys side, it was really the stars being stars.
2:00Do you have anything fantasy relevant on the Cowboys side or just like, hey, really good game by a good offense and their best players?
2:06Pretty status quo. I mean, Jake Ferguson has completely fallen off a cliff in terms of his fantasy usage.
2:12Like it was the first thing too on the broadcast.
2:14Troy Aikman was just talking about Revan Spann Ford about, yeah, they're using this guy a lot more than Jake Ferguson, who
2:21really isn't even the tight end one on the team anymore.
2:24So Jake Ferguson really haven't been using him the last couple of weeks, but he can be easily, even in like deeper formats.
2:30Like Jake Ferguson is totally 100% touchdown or bust, not running enough routes, not playing enough snaps for tight ends.
2:35I think Pickens deserves just a little bit of a call out here again, scored the touchdown, but he's really just been
2:42kind of underwhelming versus where you drafted. I know you talked about Pickens probably a month ago as a sell when he
2:48was ranked still as a top fantasy wide receiver one, kind of on that fringe.
2:52And really, he's been a fantasy wide receiver two, right?
2:54That's where he is in the rest of season rankings.
2:57And I think that he's probably a sell just based on the touchdown here.
3:01Now, the Cowboys do have some good matchups coming up, but I will say if they lean into the run game like
3:07they did in this particular matchup, well, we're not going to see as many boom performances.
3:12George Pickens on the year. He is 20th in target share.
3:15So wide receiver two, and he's actually outside of the top 24 wide receivers in area chair this season.
3:20So he's not really popping off as many of those big downfield plays like we saw in 2025.
3:25And also keep in the back of your mind that, I mean, do the Cowboys trade George Pickens?
3:30Does another team come asking because he doesn't have a long-term contract with the Cowboys?
3:34Do the Chiefs say, hey, your guys aren't really using Pickens that much.
3:38They like floor and I, they're running the ball effectively.
3:40Do they make a move for a player like Pickens?
3:43And, you know, does that maybe move his fantasy value?
3:46So he's a player that I think is just worth calling out just because he hasn't really shined like a lot of
3:52these other Dallas Cowboys like Javante and CeeDee Lamb, which is like more of the same.
3:56Wide receiver 18 this week. Wide receiver 18 on the season as well in half PPR scoring.
4:01That's in season total stats. That's not per game basis.
4:04So obviously they haven't had their bye yet. He hasn't missed time from injury.
4:08So that helps that ranking a little bit. But yeah, he's, I have basically no George Pickens anywhere because I thought he was overdrafted.
4:14We have him in the tailgate team. I was going to say, the one place I have him is our tailgate team
4:20because you and Debra were excited to take him.
4:23And honestly, I was okay with it because it was like, I forget what pick it was exactly, but it was like
4:29the second, it was a 16 team league. And it was like our pick in round two, which was like, it was
4:35after pick 30 overall or something around there. So I was totally fine with it there.
4:39But yeah, I thought he was getting overdrafted during the season.
4:42So that's one of, one of the few correct calls.
4:45He's one of those players. And this is a reminder I have to tell myself, especially with this year heading into next
4:51season, the really high priced wide receiver twos on their team that have like these awesome years typically seem to always get overdrafted the following season.
4:58So I bring that up because we're going to have conversations probably next year about Jalen Coker and Matthew Gold and like
5:05these like number two receivers on their teams. And where they're going to be drafted next year, it's going to be so,
5:11oh my God, like so much higher than this year.
5:13And typically that's a pattern to fade. And I wish I had really paid more attention to that when it came to George Pickens.
5:20Yeah. I wonder, because the thing with Pickens that made me so disinterested in him this year at his price was that
5:26like we can point to why he was getting so much usage.
5:29And it was CeeDee Lamb was coming back from a high ankle sprain, which is, it does nuke you like for, for several weeks.
5:36And, you know, in the event of like Matthew Golden, well, he is just flat out targeting Christian Watson.
5:41You know, Jalen Coker is playing well when Ted Rowan McMillan is on the field.
5:45So I wonder if maybe it's a little bit different than the Pickens scenario.
5:49But I do think that'll be a really interesting thing to dive deep into in the summer.
5:54The Cowboys matchups just so if you have George Pickens and maybe you're panicking, obviously he scored the touchdown here.
5:59So you feel fine about that. And he's had a couple of decent yardage games.
6:04The next schedule. It's just that he hasn't been amazing.
6:06It's not that he's been awful. No. Yeah. But not has not lived up to the second round draft capital from fantasy
6:12drafts schedule for Dallas, Arizona Colts, 49ers, Titans. Like, that's really good.
6:16So if you do want off Pickens and you think that the upside is not there, he just has to blow up
6:22in one of these games here where you could definitely see, especially against, I mean, Bo Nix was productive against the Arizona Colts.
6:28Cardinals. So I think that Dak and the boys are going to have some big performances over the next couple games.
6:34Just very quickly on the Eagles. I don't really think there's much to talk about.
6:38Again, backup quarterback for the rest of the season.
6:41Running backs continue to get hurt. Makai Lemon, bit of a breakout here.
6:4467 yards and a touchdown. Seven receptions on eight targets.
6:47He would not be the first time that we saw a first round rookie receiver take a step forward in the second half of the season.
6:54Now, again, it's different quarterback situation than expected and all that having been said.
6:58Where's your head at on Lemon moving forward? He's somebody that you're interested in adding to your teams, looking to trade for
7:04as a second half rookie breakout, one of those stereotypes?
7:07Or do you think this is just like, hey, it was kind of a nice game against a bad defense and you're still kind of avoiding?
7:14Yeah, with the caveat that it came without Duntavian Wicks playing.
7:17It came without Devontae Smith playing. Do those guys return to the offense?
7:21Now, I do think that having Tanner McKee a little bit more opt to throw over the middle of the field is
7:27helpful for a player like Makai Lemon. Because I know there's a lot of question marks about what Jalen Hurts.
7:32Does he throw the ball over the middle of the field?
7:35And they even brought up on the broadcast Aikman and Joe Buck talking about, yeah, like that's what they're going to see
7:41more of this Sean Mannion offense, like traditionally, because Tanner McKee is just kind of got to do what he was told.
7:47So the Eagles, if their defense continues to play this bad, they're going to be throwing a ton in the second half of the game.
7:54So I think there is going to be passing volume to go along here.
7:58So I think that Lemon, obviously, if he's on waivers, you're going to be adding him.
8:03But to me, it almost feels like maybe more of a sell high scenario.
8:07Now, you can always say that in theory when it comes to these waiver guys, but usually you don't get that much for them.
8:13So I don't think I would go out and trade for Makai Lemon personally, just because of the optics of this particular spot.
8:19Like he really needed to deliver in this spot.
8:22And obviously he did, but he's had a lot of chances so far this season and hasn't necessarily been super encouraging.
8:28So if they shut down Devante Smith, they shut down Saquon Barkley.
8:31That's the other big thing from this game is Barkley, right?
8:34Re-injuring his hamstring on one of the big first carries of the game.
8:38He looked like he was going to be, oh, here we go.
8:41Saquon Barkley, he's going to have a monster game.
8:43He re-injures it in the, basically the entire game.
8:46They're panicking him on the sideline. He's getting work on his hamstring.
8:49So playing on a short week, I don't know if we're going to see Saquon Barkley this week.
8:54I don't know if we're going to see Saquon Barkley again, potentially, because the Eagles are looking like they're going to be
9:00total sellers at the trade deadline after losing another game.
9:03What's the point of putting Saquon Barkley out there?
9:06And can they even trade Saquon Barkley, right? Can they trade away, you know, quote unquote damaged goods if he is banged up?
9:12Now, maybe a team just can get him for even cheaper or something along those lines.
9:16But right now, Barkley to me is a player I almost want to sell low on.
9:21And just, I don't want this guy on my roster because I have no idea what the rest of season outlook for
9:27him is going to be, whether he's healthy, whether he's on the Eagles.
9:30I just not feeling very, very good about him because now it looks like Damien Pierce.
9:35He also got banged up in this game. Elijah Mitchell made an appearance.
9:38Like, I didn't even know Elijah Mitchell was on the Eagles until they called his name.
9:43Like, yep, Elijah Mitchell's on the game because every other running back on the Eagles.
9:47I also did not know he was on the Eagles.
9:50I will admit it. I'm just like, oh man, like what is happening here?
9:54So, Eagles are obviously down significantly bad here. But I don't know.
9:57What do you feel about Saquon? Do you just try to sell low on him?
10:01Fitz was all over last week that they shouldn't be starting him in this game.
10:05He was like really pushing back against the reports.
10:08Like, oh, he'll be ready to go here. And they think he's going to play this week, trying to get in that direction.
10:14He was like, why? Like, they should be saving him, trying to make sure he's fully healthy for a potential trade.
10:20The season is going down the toilet. Why bother playing him?
10:23And, you know, with a bit of hindsight, it looks okay.
10:26But he is somebody that if I could get anything for, I would.
10:30I don't know what you're getting back. But I want to get off that.
10:33So the guy that I'm kind of circling as like this kind of buy low.
10:38He didn't mention him as my buy low running back.
10:40But could you get Kyle Menunga for Saquon Barkley?
10:43And just be like, I want the Bears running backs.
10:46I know they're good. I know he's hurt. I bet there are leagues where that could happen.
10:50Because it definitely feels like you're selling low on Barkley for sure.
10:54Yeah. But who scores more points for a season?
10:56Like, I don't think it's like a sure fire that, oh, it's got to be Saquon Barkley.
11:01Because we don't know his status whatsoever. It's one of those things, too, where it's like, where's the upside with Saquon at this point for this season?
11:08True. And Menunga, there's a very clear upside case.
11:11If something ever happens with DeAndre Swift and Menunga is healthy himself, he's going to be a top 10 running back every week in that scenario.
11:18You know, whereas Saquon, it's really hard to imagine him getting there right now with this offensive line at this quarterback and the injuries piling up.
11:25We don't know if he's going to get traded.
11:28Like, I would rather just not have the headache, honestly.
11:30So I actually think that's kind of a reasonable one, even though it sounds crazy in a vacuum.
11:35Let's get into our running backs to buy, actually.
11:38We'll start with the first guy you want to talk about here.
11:41Which running back are you looking to acquire right now?
11:44So speaking of injured running backs, Travis Etienne Jr., running back for the New Orleans Saints.
11:48So the situation with Etienne, or excuse me, A-chan.
11:51Sorry, I'm getting his name wrong. Travis Etienne. We haven't seen him on the field in so long.
11:56You forgot the name change. I know, I forgot that he actually changed his name to Travis Etienne.
12:01So he is eligible to come off injured reserve after the Saints bye week.
12:05So he's been out the last four games with a hamstring injury that he suffered back in week three.
12:10By the way, the Saints are on bye this week, just to know from me.
12:14Yes, that is correct. So give him an extra week to hopefully get healthy.
12:18Now, the Kellen Moore coaching staff has not necessarily indicated that, oh, he's definitely going to come back right after the bye week.
12:24But it lines up with the timeline that he's eligible.
12:27So earliest we could see him is in week nine when the Saints take on the Cleveland Browns.
12:32That's a home game. But for me, it's more of buying low on a running back that, look, he was brought in to fix the Saints run game.
12:40And obviously when he went down, we've seen what the Saints run game has looked like.
12:44In his absence. And it has been arguably one of the worst run games in the NFL between Alvin Kamara looking like a 30 year old running back.
12:52That's way past his prime as a rusher. Kendra Miller has not really been the answer for them.
12:57And they keep mixing in CJ Donaldson as well.
12:59We're using him in pass protection and in short yardage situation.
13:02So offensive line has also been banged up for the Saints.
13:05However, there is a chance that they do get Kelvin Banks back at some point later on down the road.
13:11And Cesar Ruiz also looks like a player that who will come back after the bye week.
13:15So I think that getting Etienne at least or excuse me, getting A-Chan back as the starter here.
13:20I think that actually could help improve things for the Saints run game because this is what their plan was originally.
13:26Right. They brought him in so they could have because they had a bad run game last year, too, when it was
13:32Kendra Miller and it was Alvin Kamara because they knew they couldn't do this.
13:36Right. Currently, Saints rank bottom five rushing yards and EPA per rush so far this season.
13:41So given the fact that A-Chan is ranked outside the top 24, he's really more of a RB30 in the rest of season rankings.
13:47Look, if you're hurting at running back and I think that A-Chan could make some sense for a second half play when
13:53you look at the schedule for the New Orleans Saints.
13:56Right. We just talked about it. Cleveland Browns at home.
13:59That's a great match. We just saw the Cleveland Browns get destroyed by the Tennessee Titans run game and Tony Pollard.
14:05Then you get Carolina. Then you get Chicago. Then you get Cincinnati.
14:08Then you go Green Bay. Then you get Carolina again.
14:11So there's a lot of really good spots here for a player like A-Chan.
14:15If he can come back and get healthy, I think that you could see a boost from this run game.
14:20So that's why he is my buy low because I do think that he is a just quintessential type of buy low player, not top of mind.
14:28He hasn't played in over a month. I got his name wrong.
14:31So that's why I think you can get him pretty, pretty cheap.
14:34What do you make of what he looked like in those first three weeks?
14:38Because there was some like even before he got hurt, there was disappointment about how he was performing.
14:43Maybe a little bit overblown. He wasn't getting in the end zone.
14:46Right. And they weren't using him there. And so that was like a big problem.
14:50Like he doesn't have a touchdown of the season.
14:53But, you know, in one of those games, he had nine targets, which we'd love to see, you know, in any sort of half PPR or PPR format.
15:01In two of those games, he averaged at least 4.4 yards per attempt.
15:04So it's like not like he was awful efficiency wise.
15:07But you look at the overall stats and it's like, okay, he's averaging like eight ish points a game in half PPR scoring.
15:13That wasn't like where I was drafting him. And I, HN was somebody that was really interested in this year as sort
15:19of one of those dead zone running backs. It felt like a disappointment.
15:23I'm not sure to what degree that is the case.
15:26What did you make of his usage and production in those first three weeks before getting hurt?
15:30He was definitely a player we talked about as a sell early on in the season because of the committee usage.
15:36But what we've seen with the Saints offense so far in their run game is why should they continue to run a committee?
15:43It's not working. So let's commit to the guy that we paid all this money to in free agency.
15:48Obviously, we haven't been able to see that through because he's been banged up.
15:52But if he's healthy and ready to go, they got to change something up, right?
15:56And I always try to think about how teams adjust.
15:59Again, the Saints are on their bye week this week.
16:01What is going to change? I think they're going to change up the backfield.
16:05And I think they're going to feature A-chan a lot more if he is healthy and ready to go.
16:11So that's why I like him, especially again, you look at him in the rest of his rankings.
16:15He's around guys like Trey Tucker, Antonio Williams, Mikhail Lemon, right?
16:19If you're hurting at running back, you could flip Lemon right now to get A-chan on your team.
16:23So I think really the position is why he's attainable in a lot of different ways at running back.
16:29And I mean, people are not holding on to him tight.
16:32If those are the types of trades you can make, then yes, I'm on board with you.
16:36I feel like for me, when you put the name into the sheet, my initial reaction was less, oh, I want to go trade.
16:43I want to go make a trade to get A-chan and more, ooh, if I maybe downgrade at running back and get
16:49a receiver back, this would be a running back ability to downgrade.
16:52Like, I don't know if you consider it a downgrade or not, but like talking about Saquon Barkley, if I could trade
16:59Saquon for A-chan and a viable starting receiver, that to me is the path where I want to be acquiring A-chan.
17:04It's less like, oh, let me give up a piece I really like to go get A-chan because I'm believing in him.
17:10It's let me, you know, trade down from a guy like Saquon that I'm looking to get out of anyways and go
17:17get, you know, A-chan plus, I don't know, Carnell Tate or whoever it is that you want to throw out there as a receiver option.
17:23To me, that's the path that I would be looking at.
17:26Yeah. A-chan also fit the theme of, if you look at some of the past running backs I recommended to buy, they've
17:33all gotten hurt after I recommended to buy them.
17:35So to beat the, beat it to the punch, I'm just going to buy an injured running back.
17:40We'll get, we'll get more into it later, but just as a tease, my running back to sell is Josh Jacobs.
17:46That's another one where if I could go, all right, I'll downgrade from Jacobs to A-chan and then bridge that gap with a receiver I really like.
17:53That's another path that I think makes sense. Um, I'll go to my running back to buy here though.
17:58I've got Ollie Gordon. I feel like it's for a couple of weeks in a row, either on this show or on
18:05the shorter version of the moves to make show that I do with Tara every Monday.
18:09Somebody points out in the, during the running back to buy section that, you know, we really could have included Ollie Gordon
18:15here and I'm tired of saying we could have included him here.
18:18I'm just going to include him here. We've, I've of course mentioned him on this show before another week of just, just
18:24outside RB one production in half PPR scoring his last four games.
18:28Obviously there's a buy in there, but the four games he's actually played since Devon A-chan got hurt.
18:33RB 13, RB 12, RB 13, RB 14. I mean, it is just the most consistent running back at fantasy football right now.
18:3925 carries 103 yards and a touchdown in this most recent game.
18:42And I feel like the name brand value is still underrating him in the updated rest of season rankings.
18:48And these are rankings that truly have been updated since the games happened on Sunday.
18:52So they're not, you know, waiting to catch up here.
18:55He's still RB 23 in the consensus rest of season rankings.
18:58And I know there's a lot of big names ahead of him, but like Saquon's ahead of him.
19:03I'd rather have Ollie Gordon. Jeremiah Love has had his own injury stuff.
19:06I think you can make a strong case for preferring Ollie Gordon right now.
19:10Like there's a lot, you know, Josh Jacobs is a name I just threw out there.
19:14He's, he's not ranked very highly. And yet he is giving you borderline RB one production every single week.
19:20And I think he's more attainable than you would normally, if there is a backup running back Erickson that he steps into
19:26the starting lineup because of an injury, a, you know, a season long injury.
19:30So, you know, he's a starter the rest of the way and his first four games, he scores 13, 17, 15, and
19:3617 fantasy points and have PPR scoring. That guy is just like locked and loaded on that player's roster rest of season.
19:42He becomes borderline untouchable usually, but because of the stink of the dolphins, because this is a backup running back that people
19:48are, you know, have been unsure if he's actually good or not.
19:51The name value isn't there. I think he's, he's way more attainable than his production would suggest.
19:56And then, oh, by the way, look at the rest of season schedule.
19:59It's the Patriots this week, but then it's the Lions.
20:02Then it's the Colts. Then it's the Bills. Then it's the Jets who he just shredded.
20:07Then it's the Broncos who have not been good against the run.
20:10Then it's Bears, Packers, Chargers, Bills. That rounds out the fantasy season.
20:13It's a wonderful schedule and he's producing and yet he's barely being ranked as an RB two in the consensus rest of season rankings.
20:20Go trade for him. Don't worry about the name value.
20:23Don't worry about the dolphins of it all. Go trade for Ollie Gordon.
20:26We keep joking about it. You should have done this.
20:29Just go do it now. I really like this call.
20:32I know that we have teased Ollie Gordon as a buy on this show before.
20:36And I think that it's wheels up, right? You just listed out the schedule for him.
20:40It's absolutely fantastic for Miami for the next month or so.
20:43And dude, this guy is dusted every other running back on this roster, right?
20:47Jalen Wright can't even stay on the field because he keeps getting hurt in every single game that he plays in.
20:53So I think they're going to feature Ollie Gordon.
20:55Why would you get away from it? They just won their first game of the year.
21:00Great schedule coming up. And he's looked the part, man.
21:03It's funny because you think about, well, where would A-Chan be ranked if he had all of these types of games?
21:08He would be what? Consensus, top eight, top seven, running back, rest of the season.
21:13It also makes me think, was A-Chan a terrible pick before his injury?
21:16Because you're looking at what Ollie Gordon is doing right now.
21:19And obviously, A-Chan went down with the injury and got hurt.
21:22But if this was A-Chan, then you would have been pretty pumped to draft him and have him on your fantasy team, right?
21:29And A-Chan could probably be doing more than Ollie Gordon, potentially, because of how explosive he is.
21:33So Gordon's obviously getting it done with a ton of volume.
21:36He's being efficient. So I agree, man. Like, no one's touching him in this backfield.
21:40So I think that as an RB2, low-end RB2, that's what he's priced to pay.
21:45A low-end RB2, yeah. Yeah, I think that he's someone that I need to make sure I have moved up in my
21:51risk-to-season rankings as well, because I agree. This is Pat Fitzmaurice.
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23:16Again, it's like, I talk a lot on this show about how sometimes the best moves you can make aren't the buy lows, it's the buy highs.
23:23But I don't even really feel like you're buying that high, at least based on the rankings.
23:28You're buying medium on him because people are hesitant to really put, like, I would rather have guys like Chuba Hubbard, Bashal Tootin, Chase Brown.
23:35But the way Oli Gordon's producing, it feels like he should be ranked right behind them, and he's not.
23:40He's behind these guys who are dealing with injury.
23:43Like, Brees Hall coming back from injury. Ramondre Stevenson has, you know, the threat of Travion Henderson potentially ever, you know, coming to fruition back there.
23:50Quinshaw Judkins, I think is an interesting sell. Like, these are all names that are ahead of Oli Gordon.
23:55I'm like, I would just rather have the guy who's an RB 15 at worst every week, every time he's been the
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24:04So as a buy medium, again, we keep teasing Ozzy, excuse me Ozzy, we keep teasing Oli Gordon on the show that
24:10I think it's time to just say, yeah, call him a buy.
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24:41Erickson, who is your running back to sell? My running back to sell is Tony Pollard.
24:45Running back for the Tennessee Titans. Thinking back to our week two show when we weren't bold enough or strong enough to
24:52say, you got to sell Dave Montgomery after he scored three touchdowns because this is going to be the best game he has all year.
24:58And that brings me to Tony Pollard coming off a three rushing touchdown performance against the Cleveland Browns.
25:03We already talked about have been one of these defenses that you want to attack with running backs.
25:08According to next gen stats, so Pollard only had one touchdown prior to week seven's loss against the Cleveland Browns.
25:14He hadn't rushed for more than a hundred yards in a game since week 16 of last season.
25:19So to me, this looks and feels like it was the perfect storm for Tony Pollard, right?
25:24You get this crazy great matchup at home for the Tennessee Titans in a game that they actually had a chance to win.
25:30That doesn't happen very often with these Tennessee teams playing in games with tight spreads where they actually have a chance to
25:36run the football in the second half and run the ball consistently.
25:39And Tajay Spears and Nick Singleton were both out of this game.
25:43So it was a great matchup. It was a game that you didn't think that the Browns were going to blow at the Tennessee Titans.
25:50And Pollard was going to see all the work.
25:52And to his credit, I don't think that Pollard has been bad by any means this year in terms of some of his efficiency marks.
25:59I don't think that he has been, oh, this guy has especially kind of like comparing or making a little bit different
26:05than the Dave Montgomery situation where Montgomery was really inefficient on his three touchdowns.
26:09Like this was a no, definitely a great game by Tony Pollard.
26:12But this is peak, right? I don't think it can get better than this, especially as again, finishing as the RB one overall on the week.
26:19Now he's up to RB 24 and consensus rest season rankings.
26:22I would actually be curious to see what he was before this last game, because what has really changed about the optics about Tony Pollard?
26:29Well, OK, well, Spears will probably come back at some point and be annoying because he's literally done this every single stop of his career.
26:36Maybe the Titans commit to Tony Pollard more. There's also a chance that Tony Pollard could get traded, right?
26:41Is that a good thing for his fantasy value?
26:44Is it a bad thing for his fantasy value?
26:46That's really more up in the air. Do you think it's likely he gets traded?
26:51I I'm not exactly sure, to be honest. And he was one of the player because I have to imagine he probably
26:57is not as sought after as player like Jonathan Taylor, right?
27:00Is a contender really going to pay over draft capital?
27:02Get Tony Pollard, who is a older running back that's been on the Tennessee Titans for the last couple of seasons.
27:08Now, the one name that I thought was curious for a team, and it kind of goes against my buying of Travis
27:14Achan, if there is a scenario where Travis Achan is not right off of this hamstring injury or has a re-injury, a relapse or something along those lines.
27:22And I wish I brought this up on the tailgate show when we were doing our predictions for where these guys end up.
27:28Tony Pollard played for three seasons in Dallas with Kellen Moore.
27:31And he actually had his best season of his career in Dallas in 2022 when he won or when he made the
27:37Pro Bowl, when the Pro Bowl actually still mattered.
27:40And that was under office coordinator Kellen Moore, who's now the head coach of the New Orleans Saints.
27:45So that's where this potentially burns me, where I'm selling high on Tony Pollard.
27:49But again, Travis Achan, as the projected RB1 for the Saints rest of season right now, is still outside the top 30 running backs.
27:55So right now, Pollard at RB24 feels kind of close to like his ceiling.
27:59Are we expecting him to be an RB1 the rest of the way?
28:03Like, no. So I think that you can still get a decent chunk for him.
28:07Maybe if you're looking at, OK, who could be a second half strong play?
28:11I mean, I think I'd probably have Ollie Gordon straight up for Tony Pollard.
28:15Jeremiah Love is another name where if you're trying to bet on a second half breakout, maybe he's a player because Tony
28:21Pollard's been on your bench for the majority of the season.
28:24Like you haven't been playing him very many weeks because he's not been able to be trusted playing in this Titans offense.
28:30So a lot to unpack there, Worm. What do you think about Pollard process wise?
28:34I feel like this is a sharp move to make, but I do acknowledge like the trade thing does like it's in the back of my mind.
28:42I would say that the only reason I didn't include Tony Pollard myself is I just thought it was too obvious.
28:47Honestly, like a guy coming off of a three touchdown game, like that level of production in an offense that we don't
28:53believe in at all is somebody that I just think makes all the sense in the world to try to sell.
28:59So I literally didn't pick him because I was like, oh, I think people like maybe already know this.
29:04The trade angle is a really interesting wrinkle here where if he goes to the right team, all of a sudden selling him could look like a mistake.
29:12But what are the odds that A, he gets traded and B, gets traded to the right team where that then we can benefit?
29:19It's a risk, but I don't know how big of a risk it actually is.
29:23To make the point about wanting to sell him though, he's ranked once this is in the updated rest of the season consensus rankings on fantasypros.com.
29:30He is ranked one spot behind Ollie Gordon. I would much rather have Ollie Gordon.
29:34That is a no brainer. Yeah. Take the bird in hand, right?
29:38With Ollie Gordon. We know what he's going to do.
29:40He's going to be, it seems like at worst in RB2 rest of the season where it's like, I kind of think
29:46you're hoping that Tony Pollard, okay, maybe this guy can be an RB2 rest of the season and you're just kind of
29:52fingers crossed that this usage can carry over the production from this game.
29:56But again, if he stays on the Titans, the matchups get way harder for Tony Pollard.
30:00He's got the Bengals on the road this week.
30:03Now the Bengals have been a run defense that we haven't been afraid of in the past.
30:08They've been much better this season, obviously kind of slowing down Derek Henry last week.
30:12And you also have to consider what the Titans offense game script, right?
30:15If they're getting blown out, then they don't have the luxury to feed Tony Pollard in the run game.
30:21Then they have their bye week. And then it's Jaguars, Dallas, Jaguars again.
30:24Four of the next five weeks are the Bengals or the Jags or a bye week.
30:29Like that's, that's a really rough stretch. It gets a little better in the fantasy playoffs, but man, like to get there, it's, it's rough.
30:36I mean, is he on the team at that point?
30:38Like we don't know. Exactly. Exactly. So there's a lot of, a lot to unpack with Pollard, but I just think that going back to the process, right?
30:46It's like this guy had three touchdowns, plays on a bad offense.
30:49So especially because his rest of the season ranking was nowhere near 24 last week.
30:54It was definitely outside the top 30 running back.
30:56So I don't want to be, he had something like 47 fantasy points this season before week seven.
31:01And then he had 35 in week seven. Like that's just straight up for Ollie Gordon, right?
31:06That's, that's the move to make. If you can, I don't know.
31:09Like I'm surprised by this ranking, honestly, because to me that feels like such a no brainer.
31:14I mean, the guy right behind Tony Pollard's Blake Corum, take the upside on Corum.
31:18Like I'd, I'd much rather have a Corum than, than play this game with Tony Pollard.
31:22So yeah, I, I, I strongly agree. And again, I only didn't pick it because I felt like it was a little obvious.
31:29Could you get AJ Brown for Tony Pollard? I don't think you could.
31:32I mean, I don't know, man. People, people got the pitch marks out for AJ Brown.
31:37If you can do it. I, my, my opinion is that you can't, but I, you never know.
31:42Again, you don't want to, you don't know until you ask.
31:45Uh, all right, let's go to my running back to sell.
31:48I mentioned it earlier, Josh Jacobs. This is a couple of different reasons.
31:51Number one is I'm not convinced we're a hundred percent done with the legal stuff this season, right?
31:56Like they, they have said that there's open to, they're still investigating and there's open to further discipline as warranted.
32:02So you could lose him for that reason. Also, he didn't look that efficient in his first game back.
32:07I know that like, yeah, shaking off the rust, right?
32:10He obviously hasn't played for the first six weeks of the season, but 11 carries 36 yards, not that great against a bad defense in the lions.
32:17He obviously caught the touchdown, which helped salvage his fantasy day.
32:20So he ended up RB 11. I think you can use that to your advantage in selling him and say, oh, look,
32:26they're already using him in the red zone, brought him back, immediately scores a touchdown.
32:30He's going to be really good rest of season.
32:33You're getting a high level running back, you know, for cheap.
32:36If you're trying to sell, I don't think he's going to be a high level running back.
32:41He's ranked as RB 17 in the consensus rest of season rankings.
32:44The guys right ahead of him are Bachel, Tootin and Chase Brown.
32:47Again, I'd much rather have Tootin and Brown than Jacobs.
32:50I see a gap between those two and Jacobs.
32:53And yet in the rankings, there is no gap.
32:55They're back to back to back. And this is about his name brand value.
32:59The fact that he has been so good for so long.
33:02The fact that he scored a touchdown in his return.
33:05I think you take advantage of all that. And you convince somebody in your league that, hey, you're going to go trade
33:11for this RB one rest of season. Whereas I think he's going to be, even if he stays on the field and
33:17no more legal issues pop up this season, the state of this offensive line, right?
33:21The fact that Christian Watson and Matthew Golden have been so good and the Packers hopefully want to continue to throw the
33:27ball the way they have this season. I know that's not typically Matt LeForest's approach, but we can hope.
33:32Just all of that coming together. I think he's overvalued.
33:35And I don't have a great name. And I'm wondering if you maybe have a name that comes to mind for you.
33:41I mentioned earlier, Travis Achan plus getting Achan and then a good receiver combined for a guy like Jacobs.
33:46If you can do that, I like that, adding some depth throughout this season.
33:50But in terms of a one-on-one, him for a receiver, there wasn't a single name that I was pointing to and saying,
33:56that's the guy that I think you should go make this trade for.
34:00I'm wondering if you have anybody that comes to mind as a really reasonable offer.
34:04I mean, you just mentioned A.J. Brown. I think that's one that I would do myself personally.
34:09I don't know if that gets done, but who comes to mind for you?
34:13I think it's more of a situation where I think you can do a running back for running back trade where you
34:19just kind of start at the top and you just try to flip Jacobs where, yes, it looks like he could be
34:25an RB1 the rest of the way as long as he's on the field.
34:29But there's a lot of guys that you look at and see, okay, within the top 15 running backs rest of season,
34:35a lot of these guys could be fantasy RB1s, but they don't have this thing in the background going on with them
34:41or playing behind arguably the worst offensive line in the NFL when it comes to run blocking.
34:45So, and just lost another offensive lineman this week.
34:48Like it's not going to get better. He's not going to be efficient as a rusher.
34:52He got it done as a receiver, which we obviously love to see, but his fantasy value could disappear tomorrow.
34:58Right. And then it's totally nuked. Whereas if you trade Josh Jacobs for Chase Brown, right?
35:02You know, you're going to have Chase Brown probably the rest of the way, right?
35:06Playing on a high power Bengals offense. And again, I know I teased it earlier about Chase Brown.
35:11I think he was my buy last week. And obviously again, another disappointing game.
35:15Although Chase Brown did get back to the normal usage.
35:18It was not Samaj P. Ryan just vultured the touchdown, which is super annoying, but it went back to the normal 70%
35:24snaps for Chase Brown, 30% for Samaj P. So we're not seeing a backfield takeover.
35:28You know, who was first in running back points scored under expectation last year, weeks one through seven worm.
35:33Yeah. So Chase Brown, you know who falls in that category this year?
35:37Chase Brown. Chase Brown. So it's like this slow start for him is nothing new.
35:41He did the exact same thing last year. I know the optics are a little bit different.
35:46By the way, I did know it was Chase Brown.
35:49I know I said, I was like, I thought you were going to answer it yourself.
35:53And so then I was like, this is not a rhetorical question.
35:56We've talked about Chase Brown enough on this show.
35:59I just want to make, for the record, I did know the answer.
36:02Well, I just thought that was a fun little nugget where it's like, okay, we've already done this before.
36:08We've done this before. What about Josh Jacobs or Brees Hall coming back from the injury now?
36:12They're back to back just on the other side.
36:15Jacobs one spot higher consensus. Yeah, that one's tougher because I can think I want Brees to show me that he's healthy first.
36:21I know. That's an interesting one. That's where I get a slight pause.
36:25I'll tell you who I would. I like Ollie Gordon better than Josh Jacobs.
36:29Rest of season, I'd rather have Gordon. And if you can get Gordon plus, even if it's not plus a great piece,
36:35plus a lottery ticket of some kind, I would do that for sure.
36:38Yeah. And the thing too with Jacobs, you have to acknowledge that the fantasy manager that got him for cheap for the most part.
36:45And you played him last week. He was good.
36:47He's facing the Panthers on Thursday night. Right? So this is another really good spot for him.
36:52So I do agree with you that Jacobs as a trade candidate, that's what you should be doing with him.
36:58But don't sell for too cheap, I guess, in my opinion.
37:01Like you got to get a solid running back back, in my opinion, because you're running.
37:05It's kind of like a free roll, in my opinion, because of what Jacobs was able to do, where you got him
37:11and the fact that he's going to have another RB1 performance probably this week against the Carolina Panthers.
37:16Don't sell him for nothing. So that's the one thing I wanted to add.
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38:08All right, Eric's in time for our quarterback to either buy or sell.
38:12What do you have for us this week? I couldn't run back with Trevor Lawrence again, although he is the buy still
38:18because he has the best schedule rest of season for fantasy quarterbacks.
38:21A player that I also like rest of season because of their schedule, and you talked about this when you were alluding
38:27to Ollie Gordon as you're running back to buy, it's going to be Malik Willis for me.
38:32Miami Dolphins QB has been a top 15 fantasy quarterback in back-to-back games with eight carries in each game.
38:37So although the start of the season was a little bit rocky with Malik Willis, we didn't know if we could rely on him as a rusher.
38:45It's starting to be a little bit more consistent with him.
38:48The rushing is coming through and then the matchups, right?
38:51Again, Patriots at home this week, but then the Lions, and then you have the Colts and you have the Bills.
38:56If he's going to continue to run as much as he has done, he has eight carries in back-to-back games.
39:02He's going to be a fringe fantasy QB1 every single week just based on the rushing.
39:06And we're starting to see some of these young players in this offense start to pop off a little bit.
39:12Caleb Douglas is making plays. We already talked about Ollie Gordon making a lot of plays in this offense.
39:17Greg Dulcich, my guy, he's alive, catching passes, leading the team in receiving yards.
39:21I absolutely love to see it. So Malik Willis for me, based on the rushing, I think that he is a buy.
39:27I want to add him off of waivers and a player that I think that you could even make a trade for
39:33in some of these deep performance where a lot of quarterbacks are owned, maybe even a super flex is Bryce Young.
39:39Bryce Young has the most difficult schedule rest of season for fantasy quarterbacks.
39:43So we talked about how the start of the year, a lot more cupcake matchups.
39:47Again, Bryce Young, to his credit, took advantage of them.
39:49That's what quarterbacks need to do. But I think that he is more in the territory of fantasy matchup dependent rather than,
39:56oh, he's just like an auto star that you play every single week.
39:59I think we're going to start to see Young kind of come back down to earth, especially based on how effective he was under pressure, throwing downfield.
40:07Some of those things aren't super sustainable week after week.
40:09So I think this is a sharp move to make where you're moving off of Bryce Young and you're buying a ascending
40:15piece like Malik Willis in an offense that has been playing better and has a lot of good matchups coming out.
40:21If you look at the rushing for Malik Willis, so he has posted the league's second highest scramble rate at 13%, the
40:27most scramble rush yards of any quarterback. He has the most fantasy points on scrambles among all quarterbacks.
40:32So it's not that the offense has changed where, oh, there's designing run calls from Malik Willis.
40:37It's like, no, I'm just going to take off and run with my legs because I can do that.
40:42So I think that's going to continue. Where should he be ranked?
40:45He's actually moved up a lot in the rest of season rankings within the last week.
40:50He's now up to QB 17. That is, again, adjusted from where I think last week he was in like the low,
40:56like the high 20s, I should say, like that 21, 22 range.
40:59So he has jumped up a bit here. He's one spot directly behind Bryce Young, to your point about that being an interesting trade opportunity there.
41:06But where is he actually ranked for you? Because QB 17 to me feels right-ish.
41:11I mean, the guys ahead of him besides Bryce Young, Tyler Shuck, CJ Stroud, Matthew Stafford, Mahomes, Love, Prescott.
41:16You start getting into the guys who are really good.
41:19I'm not sure how much higher you can move him.
41:21But where is he for you? I have him 16, but I could see myself moving ahead of Shuck at quarterback 15.
41:27Stafford is an interesting name, right? He's not going to get Devontae Adams back.
41:31He's a pocket passer. Doesn't add a lot of value with his leg.
41:35It's just a matter of like the confidence level with people with Willis rushing.
41:39But I'm trying to express that the last two weeks, I think, is going to be more of what we're going to see from Lake Willis.
41:46And we know that mobile quarterbacks are this cheat code and fantasy.
41:49And this continues, dude, against these types of matchups, against the Lions, dude.
41:53This guy could run for so many yards against that type of defense while also adding on the passing, which I think
41:59looked pretty good against the New York Jets. So that's something that you can't always bank on.
42:04But I think that the Dolphins are moving in the right direction with their offense.
42:08And Malik Willis using his legs is going to continue to be a part of it.
42:12Let's do some buy seller hold trios. I did put this together before you put your names into the sheet.
42:18So there is one repeat here. First trio for you is Rhamondre Stevenson, Tony Pollard, who we already talked about, and Quinshawn Judkins against Ramadre, Pollard, and Quinshawn.
42:25Buy seller hold these three. I want to sell both Tony Pollard and Quinshawn Judkins because Judkins was my sell last week.
42:32And of course, scores two touchdowns. However, he did not see the receiving usage that we would have hoped with Dylan Sampson kind of back in the fold.
42:39So that's something to kind of pay attention to.
42:42So Pollard will still be my sell coming off the three touchdown game.
42:45Ramadre will probably be my, he's probably my buy.
42:48I don't, I'm not sure I really want to buy any of them, which is kind of what makes it I kind of agree with that.
42:55But I guess I look at it. What offense do I want the running back?
42:59Do I want the Browns running back? The Titans running back or the Patriots running back?
43:04I don't think that's really up for debate. I guess the way I would, and I know you're still answering the question,
43:10but the way I would kind of think about it is Pollard's an easy sell for me.
43:14Lock that in. So one of these guys has to be the buy.
43:18One of them has to be the hold. Who is cheapest?
43:21I'll just buy whichever one you think the market will allow me to get more easily.
43:25Ramadre's ranked higher in the rest of season rankings, but I do agree with you that I think Ramadre probably is the
43:31more attainable back because of the threat of like the split backfield and all that stuff.
43:36Which is not going to happen. I know, but just like the way people think about it in the narrative there.
43:42I agree. Because people don't want Ramadre and we have the Travion Henderson high, which again, I'm kind of part of it, right?
43:48I want to see this guy use, but they just don't use him.
43:52It's the classic meme of the Lamborghini in the garage.
43:54Yeah. They just don't. They don't want to use Henderson.
43:57And I know that Stevenson really ran. I mean, the fantasy points he got on the last Thursday game were very, very cheap, right?
44:04A lot of receiving. He caught that touchdown at the end of the second quarter before halftime.
44:08So that's obviously not sustainable. But is Judkin scoring two rushing touchdowns sustainable week after week without a receiving role in the offense?
44:15Then offense again, I just not try to buy into Cleveland Browns players rest season.
44:19So I will buy Ramadre. If I could trade Quinshawn Judkins to get Ramadre, how would you do that?
44:24I get it. Maybe I will buy Judkins. Just like there is volume there at least.
44:29Maybe if they ever switch to Shadour, the offense starts to look better.
44:32I mean, I'm guessing that won't be the case, but I don't know.
44:36I feel more comfortable with the volume going forward for Judkins as opposed to...
44:40I mean, Judkins also has brutal matchup against Steelers.
44:42This week. It's true. Like that is... The Steelers have been not fun for fantasy running backs facing them.
44:47Yeah. I don't want to buy any of them, but I think if you force me, I actually think I would say hold Ramadre and buy Judkins.
44:55I don't feel good about it. I don't like that trio that I put together.
44:59That wasn't a very fun one. Stop. We got to reset.
45:02Let's see if this one's a little bit better, although probably not.
45:05Woody Marks, Jonah Coleman coming off IR. Braylon Allen, who now...
45:08Brees Hall is coming back healthy, but Allen has looked really, really good when he had the opportunity.
45:13Woody Marks, Jonah Coleman, Braylon Allen, buy, sell, and hold.
45:16So Jonah Coleman's actually going to be my sell high because I think that the hype for him is going to be
45:22so immense because we want to see a Broncos...
45:25We want to see a rookie running back just produce, right?
45:28Jeremy Love has not been productive. Jadarian Price has not been productive.
45:31So it's like, right, who's the next running back we can look at that could have a bell cow role in his offense?
45:37Jonah Coleman. And it's reflected in the rest of season rankings where I think that he is actually the number one Broncos running back ranked in terms of...
45:45He's ranked well ahead of J.K. Dobbins. Maybe he's like hand-holding close to R.J.
45:49Harvey. But the thing with Jonah Coleman is the touches were still pretty close to split with J.K.
45:54Dobbins last week. J.K. Dobbins still started. And dude, when Sean Payton says in a press conference that, oh, we got to
46:00get this guy more touches, kiss of death, where it basically means, oh my God, this guy is going to get totally nuked.
46:06So I think that with Jonah Coleman, it's a screaming sell high opportunity for a player that you got off waivers for
46:12basically nothing after he was hurt for so many weeks.
46:15We know that Denver is going to still use all different types of running backs.
46:19And that would make Jonah Coleman the guy that I would try to sell high on because it's hype, right?
46:25Like he was fine in that game last week, but this wasn't like, oh my God, it's like insane, dramatic takeover for Jonah Coleman.
46:31So he would be my sell high because you can get a lot for him.
46:36I would hold onto Braylon Allen because I do want to see what this backfield looks like with Brees Hall because Braylon has looked so, so good.
46:43The team has been adamant about Brees Hall being their bell cow when he comes back.
46:47But again, Aaron Glenn says a lot of things, right?
46:50And a lot of times they don't make a lot of sense.
46:54So we shall see what he actually does. And if Brees Hall is actually healthy and that would mean Woody Marks would
47:00be my buy because I'm not convinced that Montgomery is going to come back.
47:03I'm not convinced that Woody Marks is any good though.
47:06I mean, so then I'll hold Woody Marks and buy Braylon Allen then.
47:10Is that better? That's what I, I mean, I would both hold and buy Braylon Allen.
47:14Like if you have Braylon Allen, I would hold him.
47:17And if you don't, I would try to buy him.
47:20He is by far my, he's, he's the lowest ranked of these three in consensus rest of season rankings, but he is
47:26my favorite just because we know what the upside is.
47:29If Brees Hall is not fully healthy. I think I would probably, I just, I just am not.
47:34I think I would buy Braylon Allen, hold Woody Marks and sell Jonah Coleman.
47:37I'll tell you what I almost did. Erickson is the buy seller hold of Jonah Coleman, RJ Harvey, JK Toppins, just all
47:44three Broncos running backs to see what you would do.
47:46But they were a little further apart in the rankings that I wanted to, to use for this.
47:51So I decided to go with guys that were back to back to back, but I did, I did toy with that
47:57possibility and I'm curious what you would have done.
48:00Yeah. JK Toppins would seem like the sell, but because he's so cheap and I think in that case, I'd probably have
48:06to just hold on to Jonah Coleman because don't get me wrong.
48:09I'm he's running back that I would want on my team among the Denver Broncos trio of guys, but it's, I think
48:15Harvey might be the guy that I want. Of, of the sell all Broncos running backs.
48:20Just whoever the market believes is going to be the guy will be wrong because Harvey, like we've seen Sean Payton get him usage to score touchdowns.
48:27Like he scored 12 last year as a rookie, obviously, you know, one in each of the last two weeks.
48:33One of them was on a really big play, but I mean, I'm not saying Harvey's that good.
48:38I'm just saying if I had to pick one, he's the one that we've seen get that opportunity before.
48:43I don't know. I'm grasping. Just to unpack again, like the Coleman sell high, because he was someone I was also considering
48:49just for my straight up running back to sell instead of Tony Pollard.
48:53But when I asked Sean Payton about Jonah Coleman after the game, he said, yep, he's got more juice.
48:58He needs to get more touches. And then the next day, and this is shout out to the coach speak index, Greg
49:04Branos, Payton already kind of seemed to be backtracking his comments about getting Coleman more involved because he was like, hey, look, he played well.
49:11It's something that you got to earn. I'm just like, oh my God, dude, how could this go wrong?
49:16He also had no red zone attempts that went to JK Dobbins who ended up scoring the touchdown.
49:21And to your point, RJ Harvey is involved a lot in the passing game.
49:25So although I like what we saw from Jonah Coleman, the hype for him might just be worth putting him on the
49:31block because I think that people might pay a lot for a Broncos running back that we've seen this before.
49:36They turned into really gross committees where no one can be trusted.
49:40So if Jonah Coleman is only getting the carries like in between the twenties and not seeing as much as a receiver
49:46because Harvey's involved and not seeing red zone opportunities, because that's where they're using JK Dobbins.
49:50I think that does make the script pretty easy for a sell high.
49:54Also to Dobbins, true carries when you include penalties, he actually had eight carries for 40 yards.
49:59So that would only be one less carry than Jonah Coleman did have back in week seven.
50:03Dobbins led the carry total eight to six before Coleman finished up in the fourth quarter with three more carries on the Broncos.
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